(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

23rd ranked class according to Rivals and we signed a stud 4 Star for 2019. I’m not sure what there is to complain about at this point. So far Penny has exceeded expectations. I thought we might not see much fruit until 2019. I certainly did not expect us to get both Lomax and Harris + Jones.

(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

Yeah, because a top 30 recruiting class less than 3 months on the job is not going to cut it..... sheesh, guessing you didn't think that post through.

unless.. he's comparing it to opie. now if we start winning and filling up the forum, it will be a great marriage.

(05-09-2018 03:03 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  unless.. he's comparing it to opie. now if we start winning and filling up the forum, it will be a great marriage.

Penny got WAY more done in that time frame than Josh did...Way more...Josh got basically Coleman to stay committed, a kid that was never coming to college in Latavious Williams, and DJ.

(05-09-2018 03:05 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:03 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  unless.. he's comparing it to opie. now if we start winning and filling up the forum, it will be a great marriage.

Penny got WAY more done in that time frame than Josh did...Way more...Josh got basically Coleman to stay committed, a kid that was never coming to college in Latavious Williams, and DJ.

He also had Elliot Williams fall into his lap.

(05-09-2018 02:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

Legitimate reasons for lauding a NR from Penny compared to expressing concern from Tubby landing a NR include:
1. Wingett helps fill a three point shooting need (we were 350th last season).
2. Wingett supplements a highly ranked class.
3. Wingett had offers from high major and mid-major schools.
4. Some of the schools may have promised a more prominent role than Memphis, but David choose Memphis anyway.

(05-09-2018 03:17 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

Legitimate reasons for lauding a NR from Penny compared to expressing concern from Tubby landing a NR include:
1. Wingett helps fill a three point shooting need (we were 350th last season).
2. Wingett supplements a highly ranked class.
3. Wingett had offers from high major and mid-major schools.
4. Some of the schools may have promised a more prominent role than Memphis, but David choose Memphis anyway.

our first recruit signed in the 2018 class was a kid that wasn't ranked in the top 300

Penny's first recruit signed was Alex Lomax. No, in a normal year, Alex Lomax, Tyler Harris, Wingett, or Vanover, shouldn't be the centerpiece of a recruiting class at Memphis. But, to fill a role and a need it's perfectly fine to take an unranked kid that has one specific skill, especially in a situation where we had the last of 6 open scholarships available.

(05-09-2018 02:03 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:00 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  I wonder if 247 will rate this kid at some point?

Always nice to have players that can shoot.

No, they have already released their final rankings.

I could be wrong, but I thought they rated Rhodes last year after he was a late addition to our squad.

(04-30-2018 09:00 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(04-30-2018 08:45 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We could use a 74% three point shooter. That’s pretty good.

Pfftt. 74%... It'll do I guess...

Up City! Two titkes in a row!

(05-09-2018 03:23 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:17 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

Legitimate reasons for lauding a NR from Penny compared to expressing concern from Tubby landing a NR include:
1. Wingett helps fill a three point shooting need (we were 350th last season).
2. Wingett supplements a highly ranked class.
3. Wingett had offers from high major and mid-major schools.
4. Some of the schools may have promised a more prominent role than Memphis, but David choose Memphis anyway.

our first recruit signed in the 2018 class was a kid that wasn't ranked in the top 300

Penny's first recruit signed was Alex Lomax. No, in a normal year, Alex Lomax, Tyler Harris, Wingett, or Vanover, shouldn't be the centerpiece of a recruiting class at Memphis. But, to fill a role and a need it's perfectly fine to take an unranked kid that has one specific skill, especially in a situation where we had the last of 6 open scholarships available.

131 and 149 by Rivals and 24/7 respectively
Hardaway was first and he's 501 and unranked.
Maybe I misunderstood?
or were you talking about Vanover?

I haven't closely tracked Wingett or read any of the CA stuff. But according to an interview with someone I heard (Madlock ?)...The initial discovery was from Maurice's juco coach, who had coached David at some point. Miller mentioned needing a shooter and the juco guy told him about Wingett. They began scouting and liked what they saw. Went to a recent event and Wingett lit it up. Recruiters were taking notice and he was getting interest. We had him to campus and he lit it up again. Story over.

(05-09-2018 11:49 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 09:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 09:01 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:25 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 09:37 PM)jamammy Wrote:  DJ Stephens can jump at least 40 inches off the floor from a standing jump and is a pro overseas with occasional short term NBA contracts in the past.

Larry Bird could hit just about anything with either hand, jumping off either foot or both.

Manut Bol blocked shots without leaving the floor.

Zach Randolph averages about 17 and 9 over an almost 20 year career in the Association and has a vertical of about high top.

Basketball is a lot more than which foot you can jump higher off of and which hand is better at blocking shots.

If you can play, you can play.

Smh.

No doubt. The left handed thing makes a big difference in boxing, because of the technical details where you have so many different types of punches coming in from different angles. In basketball, it makes no difference at all.

I'm coming into this argument late, and I'm not going to go back and forth on it.

Shot blockers are taught to block shots with their left hand because most people shoot right handed. It doesn't make a ton of difference if the offensive player is left handed, but it does matter. Lefty scorers are harder to guard. That is a fact. It's hard to change your defensive muscle memory for a few games out of the year. Great defenders can make adjustments. Decent/bad defenders struggle.

Lol... Muscle memory.

So you are saying it is that difficult to move your hand 12 inches to your right to contest a shot.

There may be some advantage initially, but once you know he is a lefty that is gone

You can lol all you want. If you are taught to block shots with your left hand, which most people are, it is hard to switch to the other hand for two or three games a year. Again, it doesn't make that much of a difference, but I promise you it makes a difference.

You sound like you have coached before, LOL

(05-08-2018 04:40 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 01:07 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  So ... that would wrap things for 2018 right?

Nice solid base for what we hope to be a monster 2019 class. I like this kid, needs to eat some BBQ and hit the weight room, but he really looks like he can stroke it.

Should be a wrap for 2018 unless something crazy happens. In that case 'things will work themselves out'.

Whatever happened to those 2 big surprises Keelon promised us? I still holdout hope for O'neal and Wiseman...But, Keelon? pfft

(05-09-2018 03:05 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:03 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  unless.. he's comparing it to opie. now if we start winning and filling up the forum, it will be a great marriage.

Penny got WAY more done in that time frame than Josh did...Way more...Josh got basically Coleman to stay committed, a kid that was never coming to college in Latavious Williams, and DJ.

More than Cal too

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(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

At least you are consistent. No surprises.

(05-09-2018 03:56 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:23 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:17 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 01:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You can definitely tell that Penny is in his honeymoon period.

for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

Legitimate reasons for lauding a NR from Penny compared to expressing concern from Tubby landing a NR include:
1. Wingett helps fill a three point shooting need (we were 350th last season).
2. Wingett supplements a highly ranked class.
3. Wingett had offers from high major and mid-major schools.
4. Some of the schools may have promised a more prominent role than Memphis, but David choose Memphis anyway.

our first recruit signed in the 2018 class was a kid that wasn't ranked in the top 300

Penny's first recruit signed was Alex Lomax. No, in a normal year, Alex Lomax, Tyler Harris, Wingett, or Vanover, shouldn't be the centerpiece of a recruiting class at Memphis. But, to fill a role and a need it's perfectly fine to take an unranked kid that has one specific skill, especially in a situation where we had the last of 6 open scholarships available.

131 and 149 by Rivals and 24/7 respectively
Hardaway was first and he's 501 and unranked.
Maybe I misunderstood?
or were you talking about Vanover?

Vanover, forgot about Hardaway being first. I was more talking about the difference in what Penny has done in less than 2 months vs what we would have had if Tubby had stayed. It’s not a perfect class, but in that time frame with what we were working with it’s incredible.

Welcome David!!!

(05-09-2018 04:52 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:56 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:23 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 03:17 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 02:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  for all those that don't know, he's saying that we like when penny signs unranked kids but attacked Tubby when he signed lowly ranked kids. There would be some merit in that statement if Penny hadn't taken over a program in mid March and building a roster and a full recruiting cycle after we lost two commits and had three transfers. I mean, he signed 3 top 150 kids, a juco, and two unranked kids in a month and a half without ever being a head coach before. I guess he thinks we should be outraged.

Legitimate reasons for lauding a NR from Penny compared to expressing concern from Tubby landing a NR include:
1. Wingett helps fill a three point shooting need (we were 350th last season).
2. Wingett supplements a highly ranked class.
3. Wingett had offers from high major and mid-major schools.
4. Some of the schools may have promised a more prominent role than Memphis, but David choose Memphis anyway.

our first recruit signed in the 2018 class was a kid that wasn't ranked in the top 300

Penny's first recruit signed was Alex Lomax. No, in a normal year, Alex Lomax, Tyler Harris, Wingett, or Vanover, shouldn't be the centerpiece of a recruiting class at Memphis. But, to fill a role and a need it's perfectly fine to take an unranked kid that has one specific skill, especially in a situation where we had the last of 6 open scholarships available.

131 and 149 by Rivals and 24/7 respectively
Hardaway was first and he's 501 and unranked.
Maybe I misunderstood?
or were you talking about Vanover?

Vanover, forgot about Hardaway being first. I was more talking about the difference in what Penny has done in less than 2 months vs what we would have had if Tubby had stayed. It’s not a perfect class, but in that time frame with what we were working with it’s incredible.

Well, if you want to talk about the amazing Tubby first class...
Hired about the same time, but Mr. Smith had 5 D1 jobs and 118 years of experience and a national championship under his belt and here's what he did when he wasn't golfing or napping
Keon Clergeot, Christian Kessee and Karim Azab plus Chad Rykhoek
Hardaway, in his first year in D1, completely embarrassed Mr. HOF in every way possible. Anybody who still thinks Tubby even tried is dreaming. Tubby should be ashamed.