You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Ignore the street talk and trust your B.B. coach. He has proven to be making excellent decisions so far.

I am thinking the addition of Jones this year probably took Hall's roster spot. We got a higher rated recruited who could come in and play right away...

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Whoa, we may want to dial that back. Duke this year has 4 guys signed in the top 12, including the #1 and #2 guys.

I absolutely think he will put together the best class in Tigers history.

(04-18-2018 02:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Whoa, we may want to dial that back. Duke this year has 4 guys signed in the top 12, including the #1 and #2 guys.

I absolutely think he will put together the best class in Tigers history.

#Miserable

(04-18-2018 02:33 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 02:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Whoa, we may want to dial that back. Duke this year has 4 guys signed in the top 12, including the #1 and #2 guys.

I absolutely think he will put together the best class in Tigers history.

#Miserable

#loweringexpectations

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Ignore the street talk and trust your B.B. coach. He has proven to be making excellent decisions so far.

No matter what we are still losing 5 players for next year. I think one of the reasons (among many) why Pastner had players transfer is because he had too much depth. Duke and Kentucky typically don't have that much depth, especially Duke.

It seems that Penny will be able to have depth because he seems to play fast and sub a lot. I think we will have a great class, but I think if we can get 3 difference makers, let alone 5, that that will be plenty.

(04-18-2018 08:16 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I am thinking the addition of Jones this year probably took Hall's roster spot. We got a higher rated recruited who could come in and play right away...

You may be right.

Hall to Depaul.

(04-25-2018 03:47 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Hall to Depaul.

So much for all of the Arkansas idiots claiming "tampering" on Penny in regard to Hall...

Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

(04-25-2018 04:40 PM)cmt Wrote:  Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

You don't need them that is correct ...But

Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2009–present)
2009–10 Kentucky 35–3 14–2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2010–11 Kentucky 29–9 10–6 2nd (East) NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Kentucky 38–2 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2012–13 Kentucky 21–12 12–6 T–2nd NIT First Round
2013–14 Kentucky 29–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014–15 Kentucky 38–1 18–0 1st NCAA Final Four
2015–16 Kentucky 27–9 13–5T–1st NCAA Round of 32
2016–17 Kentucky 32–6 16–21st NCAA Elite Eight
2017–18 Kentucky 26–11 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Now Kansas is more what you are describing
2009–10 Kansas 33–3 15–1 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2010–11 Kansas 35–3 14–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2011–12 Kansas 32–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Runner-up
2012–13 Kansas 31–6 14–4 T–1st NCAA Division I Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Kansas 25–10 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2014–15 Kansas 27–9 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16 Kansas 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2016–17 Kansas 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2017–18 Kansas 31–8 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Final Four

Both look fairly similar to me...There is no magic bullet

(04-25-2018 04:40 PM)cmt Wrote:  Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

If we can go on a run to get to the final four 4 out of 9 years with 1 national championship I'll take it.

(04-25-2018 04:40 PM)cmt Wrote:  Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

I agree, we need a solid base and add one or two studs to it each year. If we recruit Memphis well that should build our base.

(04-25-2018 03:47 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Hall to Depaul.

So now we are losing recruits to Depaul? Thanks alot Tubby! Wait....

(04-25-2018 04:36 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 03:47 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Hall to Depaul.

So much for all of the Arkansas idiots claiming "tampering" on Penny in regard to Hall...

First, Penny kept every player in Memphis from playing for Tubby. Now he had a player leave Arkansas to go to Depaul. Apparently we have the most powerful man in basketball as our head coach.

I heard Penny is having Lebron leave Cleveland for LA this summer.

(04-18-2018 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Ignore the street talk and trust your B.B. coach. He has proven to be making excellent decisions so far.

No matter what we are still losing 5 players for next year. I think one of the reasons (among many) why Pastner had players transfer is because he had too much depth. Duke and Kentucky typically don't have that much depth, especially Duke.

It seems that Penny will be able to have depth because he seems to play fast and sub a lot. I think we will have a great class, but I think if we can get 3 difference makers, let alone 5, that that will be plenty.

Pastner was able to bring in good talent at the beginning, but he assembled some interesting teams that never seemed complete. IMO he recruited primarily “offense only” guys (either that or couldn’t motivate his players to play D) and we needed more help in the paint. We typically relyed on a wing player to play the 4.

Transfers as a whole ramped up, but having a team constructed in a weird way (roles not clearly defined or accepted) definitely caused issues. It’s a miracle Spoon stayed all 4 years.

Anyways, sorry to bring up water under the bridge, but this sort of thing is something definitely worth keeping an eye on as Penny builds his team. I think you can see what he’s trying to do, but hopefully he can get it to work together well on the court.

(04-26-2018 08:49 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 06:05 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  You don’t take anyone else this year that can potentially limit you next year. Between Miller and Hardaway AAU connections you potentially the best class ever signed in the history of college basket ball. You can bet that Penny and Mike and Tony have a player board and are running every combination.

Ignore the street talk and trust your B.B. coach. He has proven to be making excellent decisions so far.

No matter what we are still losing 5 players for next year. I think one of the reasons (among many) why Pastner had players transfer is because he had too much depth. Duke and Kentucky typically don't have that much depth, especially Duke.

It seems that Penny will be able to have depth because he seems to play fast and sub a lot. I think we will have a great class, but I think if we can get 3 difference makers, let alone 5, that that will be plenty.

Pastner was able to bring in good talent at the beginning, but he assembled some interesting teams that never seemed complete. IMO he recruited primarily “offense only” guys (either that or couldn’t motivate his players to play D) and we needed more help in the paint. We typically relyed on a wing player to play the 4.

Transfers as a whole ramped up, but having a team constructed in a weird way (roles not clearly defined or accepted) definitely caused issues. It’s a miracle Spoon stayed all 4 years.

Anyways, sorry to bring up water under the bridge, but this sort of thing is something definitely worth keeping an eye on as Penny builds his team. I think you can see what he’s trying to do, but hopefully he can get it to work together well on the court.

Pastner was able to bring in the players, he just couldn't keep them. There were a couple of, at least elite 8 years in there if all the players he had signed were still playing for Memphis.

Hall to depaul
That's ALL

(04-25-2018 04:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 04:40 PM)cmt Wrote:  Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

You don't need them that is correct ...But

Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2009–present)
2009–10 Kentucky 35–3 14–2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2010–11 Kentucky 29–9 10–6 2nd (East) NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Kentucky 38–2 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2012–13 Kentucky 21–12 12–6 T–2nd NIT First Round
2013–14 Kentucky 29–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014–15 Kentucky 38–1 18–0 1st NCAA Final Four
2015–16 Kentucky 27–9 13–5T–1st NCAA Round of 32
2016–17 Kentucky 32–6 16–21st NCAA Elite Eight
2017–18 Kentucky 26–11 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Now Kansas is more what you are describing
2009–10 Kansas 33–3 15–1 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2010–11 Kansas 35–3 14–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2011–12 Kansas 32–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Runner-up
2012–13 Kansas 31–6 14–4 T–1st NCAA Division I Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Kansas 25–10 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2014–15 Kansas 27–9 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16 Kansas 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2016–17 Kansas 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2017–18 Kansas 31–8 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Final Four

Both look fairly similar to me...There is no magic bullet

facts are a b*tch.

(04-30-2018 09:39 AM)msu65 Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 04:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 04:40 PM)cmt Wrote:  Wait a minute, we don't want, or even need, 5 top 12 players. That's not how it works. That is how Kentucky goes to the NIT and how teams like Loyola get where they do. We need a solid team that is strong at every position and deep enough to press and overcome foul trouble. Then we need to add a James Wiseman, Keith Lee, Anfernee Hardaway or 2 or maybe 3. Thats the recipe for success. That hold true for at least 8 out of 10 NCAA champions.

You don't need them that is correct ...But

Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2009–present)
2009–10 Kentucky 35–3 14–2 1st (East) NCAA Elite Eight
2010–11 Kentucky 29–9 10–6 2nd (East) NCAA Final Four
2011–12 Kentucky 38–2 16–0 1st NCAA Champions
2012–13 Kentucky 21–12 12–6 T–2nd NIT First Round
2013–14 Kentucky 29–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Runner-up
2014–15 Kentucky 38–1 18–0 1st NCAA Final Four
2015–16 Kentucky 27–9 13–5T–1st NCAA Round of 32
2016–17 Kentucky 32–6 16–21st NCAA Elite Eight
2017–18 Kentucky 26–11 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Now Kansas is more what you are describing
2009–10 Kansas 33–3 15–1 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2010–11 Kansas 35–3 14–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2011–12 Kansas 32–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Runner-up
2012–13 Kansas 31–6 14–4 T–1st NCAA Division I Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Kansas 25–10 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2014–15 Kansas 27–9 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16 Kansas 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2016–17 Kansas 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2017–18 Kansas 31–8 13–5 1st NCAA Division I Final Four

Both look fairly similar to me...There is no magic bullet

facts are a b*tch.

These days with the one and done one Penny or Keith Lee can win you a NC (with a good supporting cast; no other great players needed) due to one and done has watered down CBB so much. Penny and Lee’s first seasons, they were great players. Put either one on this year’s roster as it stands right now, you probably win it all. They made the other players on their team so much better.