https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companie...tp&ffid=gz

No more Fusion, Fiesta, Taurus or CMax in North America. Only keeping Mustang and the compact Focus crossover. Going to be mostly truck and SUV company.

Sedan/coupe sales have been plummeting---for all manufacturers--not just Ford. People want SUV's or Pickups. The number of sedan models built is going to contract further I suspect. On the other hand--if you dont mind driving a car---you can pick up some good deals.

Ford will still make cars for other markets where they are popular and if the trend reverses they make more and sell them here again. Got to go where the demand takes you.

The Ford Fiesta was hideous in appearance. In performance it was ok, but when that was my rental car I always cringed.

I have a mid-sized sedan and am just fine with it and will maybe/probabaly/against my better judgement get an Alfa Giulia next, but every single piece of data says I am the outlier ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Though, this is the shite:



Hot damn.

This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Supposedly Ranger and Bronco are coming back:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/20...or-feature

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/fu...r-details/

I miss my Pinto.

(04-26-2018 10:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The Ford Fiesta was hideous in appearance. In performance it was ok, but when that was my rental car I always cringed.

While the acceleration totally sucked ass, it was hard to argue with the nearly 43 MPG I usually got!

(04-26-2018 10:17 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  I miss my Pinto.

My roommate used to have on of these. We called it the pumpkin.

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Even their trucks are ****** too. I have driven all three, The F150, Silverado and Ram, and by far, the F150 was the one that gave me the most mechanical trouble.

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

XACLY!

I'm a truck guy, but Dodge and Chevy definitely made the 'muscle move' with cars since the 60s.....

old school Ford needs to catch up with the times in that realm.....

they can't compete against Kia, Toyota, or Nissan.....I wouldn't buy a Ford transportation vehicle if my life depended on it.....

My war wagon for over 10 years was a Dodge Ram 4 door. Cummings diesel. When trailering something I often had to check the rearview to make sure the load was still there because the ride was the same with or without.

(04-26-2018 10:16 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Supposedly Ranger and Bronco are coming back:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/20...or-feature

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/fu...r-details/

They are.

I was at the dealership for some scheduled maintenance and talked to my sales guy.

He said they've been told the Ranger will hit the showroom summer-fall of 2019 and the Bronco sometime in 2020.

(04-26-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Even their trucks are ****** too. I have driven all three, The F150, Silverado and Ram, and by far, the F150 was the one that gave me the most mechanical trouble.

Actually their Fusion by all accounts was a pretty good car. Consumer Reports indicated it was above average as far as reliability. Problem is, Camry and Accord already dominated that space---and already had the reputation for reliability. When the overall market for cars began to shrink---it just didnt make much sense to keep battling it out. The car market has been declining since about 2014.

(04-26-2018 10:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Even their trucks are ****** too. I have driven all three, The F150, Silverado and Ram, and by far, the F150 was the one that gave me the most mechanical trouble.

Actually their Fusion by all accounts was a pretty good car. Consumer Reports indicated it was above average as far as reliability. Problem is, Camry and Accord already dominated that space---and already had the reputation for reliability.

Doesnt help that Hyundai is coming out with some nice cars in that field too. Sonata comes to mind. They have really stepped up their competition.

(04-26-2018 09:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Sedan/coupe sales have been plummeting---for all manufacturers--not just Ford. People want SUV's or Pickups. The number of sedan models built is going to contract further I suspect. On the other hand--if you dont mind driving a car---you can pick up some good deals.

I think part is that federal safety and fuel economy standards have pushed the price of new cars out of reach of many consumers.

(04-26-2018 10:42 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:40 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Even their trucks are ****** too. I have driven all three, The F150, Silverado and Ram, and by far, the F150 was the one that gave me the most mechanical trouble.

Actually their Fusion by all accounts was a pretty good car. Consumer Reports indicated it was above average as far as reliability. Problem is, Camry and Accord already dominated that space---and already had the reputation for reliability.

Doesnt help that Hyundai is coming out with some nice cars in that field too. Sonata comes to mind. They have really stepped up their competition.

yeah.....I left out Hyundai in my previous post.....my BIL who is an ENT has their top-of-the-line-whatever it is and won't shut-up about it

(04-26-2018 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The Ford Fiesta was hideous in appearance. In performance it was ok, but when that was my rental car I always cringed.

While the acceleration totally sucked ass, it was hard to argue with the nearly 43 MPG I usually got!

that it did my friend.

(04-26-2018 10:21 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is probably a good move. Go higher end on cars/sedans with the Lincoln brand and let Ford focus on the trucks. I'm glad they're keeping the Mustang, but wish they would get back to the V8 muscle sort of like Dodge has done. I'd also like to see another retro revival with the Torino or a GT series (that's actually affordable).

Even their trucks are ****** too. I have driven all three, The F150, Silverado and Ram, and by far, the F150 was the one that gave me the most mechanical trouble.

The 7.3 F350 was easily the best truck they've ever made. We had several over the years that we used to pull boats with and routinely got 350-400k miles out of them without much trouble. Usually the torque converter around 150k miles and turbo around 250k were the only recurring problems we had with them.

I drive a 4WD 04 F150 XLT with the 5.4 V8 and I didn't have the first bit of trouble until 210k miles. Granted that involved a new engine, but otherwise all I've done in the last 100k has been brakes, muffler, and a new radio. Now if I could just do better than 12.5 mpg.