(04-25-2018 11:37 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Classy as always. I wish Tubby well at HPU. I'd love to see him build a team over the next 3-4 seasons, take them to an NCAA tourney, and ride off into the sunset as a winner.

It pays to be classy. But that's Tubby's way, always has been. It's not in my DNA, but with 10 million coming plus the High Point salary I suspose I could be a bit classy as well.

Tubby is classy. Money doesn't change that. He knows the deal and he's been successful at programs who weren't great to begin with. At Minnesota, Texas Tech and others building for 3 years and just making the tournament was great for them.

At a program like Memphis though, that is not the standard. Making the NCAAs is the standard.

As expectations went up at other programs, Tubby couldn't meet those either and was fired.

He is who he is. He'll build your program up, take you to the tourney every few years and do things his way.

I blame Tubby for his horrible staff management. I blame Tubby for being lazy. I blame Tubby for thinking Memphis was gonna be his easy retirement job.

I blame Bowen and whatever boosters decided to hire Tubby for 3 mil a season knowing how he is and what he does.

They were fine with basketball being down. Basketball wasn't their goal. Football is.

And that TOGC dude is the worst Tiger fan I have ever seen. He doesn't care about Tiger basketball or us winning. He actually would choose to have 10-15 losses a season of it meant we got to keep his buddy Tubby.

Coach Penny hasn't cheated and there isn't any evidence he is going to cheat. He is doing it right and has the chance to pull top 5-10 recruiting classes into Memphis the right way.

We are paying Tubby his money. He just wasn't the right fit. So therefore he wasn't screwed over. He gets to go back to his alma mater and make even more money and be less stressed about it.

If anything we did him a favor.

TOGC can go with him.

(04-26-2018 12:10 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Tubby is classy. Money doesn't change that. He knows the deal and he's been successful at programs who weren't great to begin with. At Minnesota, Texas Tech and others building for 3 years and just making the tournament was great for them.

He did good at Minnesota, just good enough to get fired. Texas Tech, he didn't set a precedent, Bobby Knight did much better. Now look at what Beard has done with that program...

(04-26-2018 12:14 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 12:10 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Tubby is classy. Money doesn't change that. He knows the deal and he's been successful at programs who weren't great to begin with. At Minnesota, Texas Tech and others building for 3 years and just making the tournament was great for them.

He did good at Minnesota, just good enough to get fired. Texas Tech, he didn't set a precedent, Bobby Knight did much better. Now look at what Beard has done with that program...

On my phone, without the app. That was only part of my statement. Had to post then edit.

Rest is up now.

It was a bad hire for this particular program. Tubby can coach for sure, but he did not fit well here. Every program is different and this job needs a salesman with personality and media savvy. We needed someone who could light a fire and create buzz, with endless energy and excitement. The coach here also needs to be a great recruiter both locally and nationally, because that's what triggers ticket sales and interest here.

All the hate and gnashing of teeth about him ripping us off is just sad imo. He didn't rip us off, he was incapable of being anyone other than who he had always been. Could he have done a better job with recruiting, the staff, and media/community buzz? Absolutely! But that is never who he really was as a coach, those were never his strengths as a coach.

In retrospect, it was a really bad hire for this job.

^^^^^

(04-26-2018 05:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It was a bad hire for this particular program. Tubby can coach for sure, but he did not fit well here. Every program is different and this job needs a salesman with personality and media savvy. We needed someone who could light a fire and create buzz, with endless energy and excitement. The coach here also needs to be a great recruiter both locally and nationally, because that's what triggers ticket sales and interest here.

All the hate and gnashing of teeth about him ripping us off is just sad imo. He didn't rip us off, he was incapable of being anyone other than who he had always been. Could he have done a better job with recruiting, the staff, and media/community buzz? Absolutely! But that is never who he really was as a coach, those were never his strengths as a coach.

In retrospect, it was a really bad hire for this job.

Very well stated. I agree wholeheartedly.

To continue to rip Tubby is just sad. If you want to say he wasn't a good fit, that's reasonable. All of the other vitriol toward him is childish, at best.

(04-26-2018 09:18 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 05:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It was a bad hire for this particular program. Tubby can coach for sure, but he did not fit well here. Every program is different and this job needs a salesman with personality and media savvy. We needed someone who could light a fire and create buzz, with endless energy and excitement. The coach here also needs to be a great recruiter both locally and nationally, because that's what triggers ticket sales and interest here.

All the hate and gnashing of teeth about him ripping us off is just sad imo. He didn't rip us off, he was incapable of being anyone other than who he had always been. Could he have done a better job with recruiting, the staff, and media/community buzz? Absolutely! But that is never who he really was as a coach, those were never his strengths as a coach.

In retrospect, it was a really bad hire for this job.

Very well stated. I agree wholeheartedly.

To continue to rip Tubby is just sad. If you want to say he wasn't a good fit, that's reasonable. All of the other vitriol toward him is childish, at best.

I wonder if we will now have posters who post every bad thing that happens to Tubby at High Point as they still want to do with Josh at GT. We can have multiple former coach downer threads. I am sure there are those waiting in the weeds for when Cal has a really bad year.

Seriously, Tubby walked through the door with every intention of doing as little he could possibly do to squeak by.

That's classy?

He robbed the boosters and the University of 15 million dollars that could have gone to better use with all the construction plans and developments at the U of M.

That's classy?

He acted like he had no idea fans were pissed because he didn't care about them, the team, or winning.

That's classy?

He brought the program down so hard that it almost crashed.

That's classy?

If putting on a suit and being cordial is classy, then there are a helluva lot of classy crooks in this world.

Not that it is conceivable that a crook can at the same time be classy.

It's not.

On top of which throwing out a comment like "I knew Memphis had the resources to get it done."

Another slap in the face.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Memphis had the money to pay off the ****** coach that was running the program into the ground and hire his much better replacement for half the going price all the while the ****** former coach is taking a new job at his alma mater which was open before he got fired?

So, now he gets all of his money from Memphis and not a reduction in salary from his new salary at High Point.

Tells his assistants not to get hired(if they can) before their contracts at Memphis run out so that they may collect every single PENNY due?

That's not classy, that's a lowlife jerk.

If he knew he wasn't right, that Memphis wanted to move on, and that his alma mater was open but sincerely wanted to stay at Memphis through all the ridicule he deservedly received to win what 22 games next season, finish 4th in the conference, make the semi final of the conference tournament, be on the bubble but get pushed off it when someone upsets a predicted conference tournament champion in the Sun Belt then, well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

To follow that up with yet another fall short recruiting class, another 22 wins, more deserved ridicule, more fan abandonment.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Come on people.

Wake up.

Tubby was SO BAD

SO BAD that boosters said screw 10.5 million dollars.

10 POINT 5 MILLION.

But best of luck, Tubby was great guy, Tubby was classy, that's a bunch of puke.

Tubby was a grand larcenist.

If a grand larcenist is your idea of a "great guy" or a "classy" guy then bless your heart.

Anybody that supports him is anti-Memphis, period.

man

(04-26-2018 10:59 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Seriously, Tubby walked through the door with every intention of doing as little he could possibly do to squeak by.

That's classy?

He robbed the boosters and the University of 15 million dollars that could have gone to better use with all the construction plans and developments at the U of M.

That's classy?

He acted like he had no idea fans were pissed because he didn't care about them, the team, or winning.

That's classy?

He brought the program down so hard that it almost crashed.

That's classy?

If putting on a suit and being cordial is classy, then there are a helluva lot of classy crooks in this world.

Not that it is conceivable that a crook can at the same time be classy.

It's not.

On top of which throwing out a comment like "I knew Memphis had the resources to get it done."

Another slap in the face.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Memphis had the money to pay off the ****** coach that was running the program into the ground and hire his much better replacement for half the going price all the while the ****** former coach is taking a new job at his alma mater which was open before he got fired?

So, now he gets all of his money from Memphis and not a reduction in salary from his new salary at High Point.

Tells his assistants not to get hired(if they can) before their contracts at Memphis run out so that they may collect every single PENNY due?

That's not classy, that's a lowlife jerk.

If he knew he wasn't right, that Memphis wanted to move on, and that his alma mater was open but sincerely wanted to stay at Memphis through all the ridicule he deservedly received to win what 22 games next finish 4th in the conference, make the semi final of the conference tournament, be on the bubble but get pushed off it when someone upsets a predicted conference champion then, well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

To follow that up with yet another fall short recruiting class, another 22 wins, more deserved ridicule, more fan abandonment.

Come on people.

Wake up.

Tubby was SO BAD

SO BAD that boosters said screw 10.5 million dollars.

10 POINT 5 MILLION.

But best of luck, Tubby was great guy, Tubby was classy, that's a bunch of puke.

Tubby was a grand larcenist.

If a grand larcenist is your idea of a "great guy" or a "classy" guy then bless your heart.

Anybody that supports him in anti-Memphis, period.

What The Tubbs did was stuff you learn in the "finest" of federal Prison establishments...."White Collar" crime, hence, doin' it in a suit, auspiciously pulling the wool over the eyes of the susceptible and mundane masses

If people want to term Tubby 'classy' (for whatever reasons), his 'Assistants' did not mirror that approach.

OK. Don't make me pull out the floating foursome, finger pointing, crotch-grabbing tweet.

Betcha that badly photochopped pic will go down in our history as the most
non-classy recruiting pic ever.

(04-26-2018 11:17 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  If people want to term Tubby 'classy' (for whatever reasons), his 'Assistants' did not mirror that approach.

OK. Don't make me pull out the floating foursome, finger pointing, crotch-grabbing tweet.

Betcha that badly photochopped pic will go down in our history as the most
non-classy recruiting pic ever.

Do it Do it!!!!

I don't wanna buzzkill this thread.

It's all good now.

Looking around...welp...I'd say we came out on top.

(04-26-2018 11:09 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:59 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Seriously, Tubby walked through the door with every intention of doing as little he could possibly do to squeak by.

That's classy?

He robbed the boosters and the University of 15 million dollars that could have gone to better use with all the construction plans and developments at the U of M.

That's classy?

He acted like he had no idea fans were pissed because he didn't care about them, the team, or winning.

That's classy?

He brought the program down so hard that it almost crashed.

That's classy?

If putting on a suit and being cordial is classy, then there are a helluva lot of classy crooks in this world.

Not that it is conceivable that a crook can at the same time be classy.

It's not.

On top of which throwing out a comment like "I knew Memphis had the resources to get it done."

Another slap in the face.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Memphis had the money to pay off the ****** coach that was running the program into the ground and hire his much better replacement for half the going price all the while the ****** former coach is taking a new job at his alma mater which was open before he got fired?

So, now he gets all of his money from Memphis and not a reduction in salary from his new salary at High Point.

Tells his assistants not to get hired(if they can) before their contracts at Memphis run out so that they may collect every single PENNY due?

That's not classy, that's a lowlife jerk.

If he knew he wasn't right, that Memphis wanted to move on, and that his alma mater was open but sincerely wanted to stay at Memphis through all the ridicule he deservedly received to win what 22 games next finish 4th in the conference, make the semi final of the conference tournament, be on the bubble but get pushed off it when someone upsets a predicted conference champion then, well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

To follow that up with yet another fall short recruiting class, another 22 wins, more deserved ridicule, more fan abandonment.

Come on people.

Wake up.

Tubby was SO BAD

SO BAD that boosters said screw 10.5 million dollars.

10 POINT 5 MILLION.

But best of luck, Tubby was great guy, Tubby was classy, that's a bunch of puke.

Tubby was a grand larcenist.

If a grand larcenist is your idea of a "great guy" or a "classy" guy then bless your heart.

Anybody that supports him in anti-Memphis, period.

What The Tubbs did was stuff you learn in the "finest" of federal Prison establishments...."White Collar" crime, hence, doin' it in a suit, auspiciously pulling the wool over the eyes of the susceptible and mundane masses

Obviously, I don't mean he broke into a bank and stole 1o million but he accepted a position with expectations knowing full well he was not going to do his best, or even his mediocre or little more than have a pulse to win.

For 15 million dollar contract, you come in and swing for the fence not hide in the dugout.

(04-26-2018 10:59 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Seriously, Tubby walked through the door with every intention of doing as little he could possibly do to squeak by.

That's classy?

He robbed the boosters and the University of 15 million dollars that could have gone to better use with all the construction plans and developments at the U of M.

That's classy?

He acted like he had no idea fans were pissed because he didn't care about them, the team, or winning.

That's classy?

He brought the program down so hard that it almost crashed.

That's classy?

If putting on a suit and being cordial is classy, then there are a helluva lot of classy crooks in this world.

Not that it is conceivable that a crook can at the same time be classy.

It's not.

On top of which throwing out a comment like "I knew Memphis had the resources to get it done."

Another slap in the face.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Memphis had the money to pay off the ****** coach that was running the program into the ground and hire his much better replacement for half the going price all the while the ****** former coach is taking a new job at his alma mater which was open before he got fired?

So, now he gets all of his money from Memphis and not a reduction in salary from his new salary at High Point.

Tells his assistants not to get hired(if they can) before their contracts at Memphis run out so that they may collect every single PENNY due?

That's not classy, that's a lowlife jerk.

If he knew he wasn't right, that Memphis wanted to move on, and that his alma mater was open but sincerely wanted to stay at Memphis through all the ridicule he deservedly received to win what 22 games next finish 4th in the conference, make the semi final of the conference tournament, be on the bubble but get pushed off it when someone upsets a predicted conference champion then, well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

To follow that up with yet another fall short recruiting class, another 22 wins, more deserved ridicule, more fan abandonment.

Come on people.

Wake up.

Tubby was SO BAD

SO BAD that boosters said screw 10.5 million dollars.

10 POINT 5 MILLION.

But best of luck, Tubby was great guy, Tubby was classy, that's a bunch of puke.

Tubby was a grand larcenist.

If a grand larcenist is your idea of a "great guy" or a "classy" guy then bless your heart.

Anybody that supports him in anti-Memphis, period.

Yawn

(04-26-2018 02:04 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 11:09 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  [quote='jamammy' pid='15270160' dateline='1524758362']
Seriously, Tubby walked through the door with every intention of doing as little he could possibly do to squeak by.

That's classy?

He robbed the boosters and the University of 15 million dollars that could have gone to better use with all the construction plans and developments at the U of M.

That's classy?

He acted like he had no idea fans were pissed because he didn't care about them, the team, or winning.

That's classy?

He brought the program down so hard that it almost crashed.

That's classy?

If putting on a suit and being cordial is classy, then there are a helluva lot of classy crooks in this world.

Not that it is conceivable that a crook can at the same time be classy.

It's not.

On top of which throwing out a comment like "I knew Memphis had the resources to get it done."

Another slap in the face.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Memphis had the money to pay off the ****** coach that was running the program into the ground and hire his much better replacement for half the going price all the while the ****** former coach is taking a new job at his alma mater which was open before he got fired?

So, now he gets all of his money from Memphis and not a reduction in salary from his new salary at High Point.

Tells his assistants not to get hired(if they can) before their contracts at Memphis run out so that they may collect every single PENNY due?

That's not classy, that's a lowlife jerk.

If he knew he wasn't right, that Memphis wanted to move on, and that his alma mater was open but sincerely wanted to stay at Memphis through all the ridicule he deservedly received to win what 22 games next finish 4th in the conference, make the semi final of the conference tournament, be on the bubble but get pushed off it when someone upsets a predicted conference champion then, well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.

To follow that up with yet another fall short recruiting class, another 22 wins, more deserved ridicule, more fan abandonment.

Come on people.

Wake up.

Tubby was SO BAD

SO BAD that boosters said screw 10.5 million dollars.

10 POINT 5 MILLION.

But best of luck, Tubby was great guy, Tubby was classy, that's a bunch of puke.

Tubby was a grand larcenist.

If a grand larcenist is your idea of a "great guy" or a "classy" guy then bless your heart.

Anybody that supports him in anti-Memphis, period.

What The Tubbs did was stuff you learn in the "finest" of federal Prison establishments...."White Collar" crime, hence, doin' it in a suit, auspiciously pulling the wool over the eyes of the susceptible and mundane masses

Guys, take a breath and get over it! You'll feel better.

Bless your hearts.