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(05-21-2018 07:14 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote:  I don't know about Elmore. He is getting some work outs with teams at least.

Elmore worked out for the Spurs a few days ago and has or will work out for the Nuggets yesterday or today. Unless he is given assurance by a team they will take him in the 1st round he will be back in Huntington.

A lot of people thought Dan might red shirt a few guys this year, those going to practice has been saying that he doesn't plan on red shirting anyone. But things can and always do change. If he doesn't Marshall could be 10-11 deep this year. The most depth Marshall has probably had since Greg White's 2001 team.

Projected Starters
SG CJ Burks
SG/PG Jon Elmore
PG Jarrod West
PF Jannson Williams
SF Darius George

Bench
SG Rondale Watson
SG Jeremy Dillon
SG Tavion Kinsey
C Iran Bennett
SF Cameron Brooks-Harris
PF Ante Sustic
PF Mikel Beyers

Then there is garbage time for Christian Thienman, Will Finton and Christian Vickers. And then there is walk on DeAundra Murphy, Murphy isn't your avg walk on, he is a 6'4 SG from Huntington but he agved 22.3 points and 6.1 rebounds while in HS. Its not known how his progress has been since he was a red shirt last year.

I also struggled between SG Rondale Watson or SF Darius George in the starting line up. At the beginning of the year it could be either of them. But truthfully it wouldn't surprise me at all that Mikel Beyrs doesn't take that starting spot half way though the season. Beyers is 6'11, was 6'4 last year and is expected to be 7'2 in the next year or two.
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Part of an interview with Elmore at the Nuggets workout talking about him scoring 101 points at an intramural game in the Marshall rec center before he joined the Herd's basketball team. BTW it was 33 3s and a 2 point shot.

Elmore part interview
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(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
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(05-22-2018 07:33 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  Word is that Fresno State player Bryson Williams might be transferring to UTEP. He averaged 13.8 pts and 6.1 reb last season and was 3rd team MWC selection.

So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?
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(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
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(05-22-2018 07:33 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  Word is that Fresno State player Bryson Williams might be transferring to UTEP. He averaged 13.8 pts and 6.1 reb last season and was 3rd team MWC selection.

So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.
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(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

Because the Fresno State coach was Rodney Terry who is the UTEP coach. I think if a coach leaves he should tell the players where he is leaving he won't accept them as a transfer at his new school. But it happens all the time. Keith Dambrot who left Akron for Duquesne last year had 3 follow him.

As much as you might want to think that a player commits to the school, unless they have just loved that school their entire life, players commit to the coach and coaching staff.
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(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:17 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 07:33 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  Word is that Fresno State player Bryson Williams might be transferring to UTEP. He averaged 13.8 pts and 6.1 reb last season and was 3rd team MWC selection.

So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Good list. People who don't understand how UTEP isn't a better landing spot than Fresno simply aren't paying attention. Looking forward to UTEP bouncing back.
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(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:17 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 07:33 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  Word is that Fresno State player Bryson Williams might be transferring to UTEP. He averaged 13.8 pts and 6.1 reb last season and was 3rd team MWC selection.

So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

To add to the list our basketball budget is over one million dollars more than Fresno St. You touched on attendance a little but let me expand on it. Fresno St recorded its fourth straight 20 win season under Terry. Their average attendance was 6,032. UTEP won 10 games last year and our attendance was 6,155. UTEP has proven that it can average 8-10k+ when having good seasons.

Besides our potential being much higher than Fresno’s the main he reason he left was lack of leadership. It had been five months since the departure of the Fresno AD and very little movement was occurring. Senter freshly hired at UTEP exposed a flaw in Terry’s contract and lured him to El Paso. Terry has said that as kid he grew up keeping close tabs on UTEP. Due to the 66 title. He also stated he would make frequent trips to El Paso to visit his then girlfriend
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GT 7'1 Elbert Robinson to ODU in 56 games he avg 1.9ppg and 1.7rebs.....former top 100 player
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Doesn't appear to be a big offensive threat but 7'1" and 290 (size) was a big concern. We can put some other scorers around that.
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(05-23-2018 12:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  GT 7'1 Elbert Robinson to ODU in 56 games he avg 1.9ppg and 1.7rebs.....former top 100 player

AAU coach said he was victim of a Golden State Warriors style system. That certainly won't be a problem here at Rock Fight U.
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(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:17 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 07:33 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  Word is that Fresno State player Bryson Williams might be transferring to UTEP. He averaged 13.8 pts and 6.1 reb last season and was 3rd team MWC selection.

So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Yeah......I wasn't looking for a comparison to LA Tech or CUSA. I was looking for a comparison to Fresno St. FSU has a big budget too. FSU averages over 6K at home too. FSU plays in a nice facility too. The FSU Save Mart Center is one of the elite basketball arenas in the west. And of course, one could argue that California's climate is much more appealing than El Paso's.

All of this --along with a 20-win program-- sounds much more appealing than what the current state of UTEP's basketball program offers. Again, just my opinion. I'm just trying to understand why Coach Terry would take that gamble.
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(05-24-2018 11:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:17 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Yeah......I wasn't looking for a comparison to LA Tech or CUSA. I was looking for a comparison to Fresno St. FSU has a big budget too. FSU averages over 6K at home too. FSU plays in a nice facility too. The FSU Save Mart Center is one of the elite basketball arenas in the west. And of course, one could argue that California's climate is much more appealing than El Paso's.

All of this --along with a 20-win program-- sounds much more appealing than what the current state of UTEP's basketball program offers. Again, just my opinion. I'm just trying to understand why Coach Terry would take that gamble.

1. UTEP had high attendance than Fresno St. last year, even though UTEP only won 10 games and Fresno St. won 20.

2. UTEP has a significantly larger basketball budget than Fresno St.

3. UTEP is paying Coach Terry more than Fresno St.

4. UTEP has one of the best practice facilities around and it is a major upgrade over Fresno St.

5. Coach Terry is from Texas and just wanted to come home.

6. Texas does not have a state income tax like California so Coach Terry will get an even bigger take home pay check.
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(05-24-2018 11:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 11:17 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  So, why would he do that? Not trying to be critical, but I'm just curious why a guy with an apparently good position at an MWC school would seek a transfer to UTEP, when UTEP has a ton of real serious challenges in mens BB right now?

You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Yeah......I wasn't looking for a comparison to LA Tech or CUSA. I was looking for a comparison to Fresno St. FSU has a big budget too. FSU averages over 6K at home too. FSU plays in a nice facility too. The FSU Save Mart Center is one of the elite basketball arenas in the west. And of course, one could argue that California's climate is much more appealing than El Paso's.

All of this --along with a 20-win program-- sounds much more appealing than what the current state of UTEP's basketball program offers. Again, just my opinion. I'm just trying to understand why Coach Terry would take that gamble.

If you would read my comment you would have your answer.
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clt says don’t under value the El Paso taco boats that are native to el paso
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UTEP is hosting a couple of transfer players this weekend.
Bryson Williams from Fresno St.
Souley Boum 6'3" Guard from University of San Fancisco: Boum, an Oakland native, finished the year with 394 points, second on the USF team and second all-time by a freshman. He also set the record for free throws made by a freshman with 121. Boum was named to the WCC All-Freshman team and finished the year with seven 20-point games, including a 26-point performance against Colgate in the opening round of the CBI. He did this while only averaging 20 minutes a game.

They will both have to sit out the 18-19 season along with fellow transfer Anthony Tarke from NJIT. Tarke signed with UTEP over Maryland, South Alabama and George Washington.
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(05-27-2018 09:28 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  UTEP is hosting a couple of transfer players this weekend.
Bryson Williams from Fresno St.
Souley Boum 6'3" Guard from University of San Fancisco: Boum, an Oakland native, finished the year with 394 points, second on the USF team and second all-time by a freshman. He also set the record for free throws made by a freshman with 121. Boum was named to the WCC All-Freshman team and finished the year with seven 20-point games, including a 26-point performance against Colgate in the opening round of the CBI. He did this while only averaging 20 minutes a game.

They will both have to sit out the 18-19 season along with fellow transfer Anthony Tarke from NJIT. Tarke signed with UTEP over Maryland, South Alabama and George Washington.

I read an article on Souley Boum about a week ago and liked what I read. He was a bright spot on the USF Don's. He would probably do well in CUSA.
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(05-25-2018 07:35 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 11:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
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(05-22-2018 11:22 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  You do know that UTEP's new coach was at Fresno St. before. Maybe the kid wants to play for the coach that recruited him and developed him the past two years.

Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Yeah......I wasn't looking for a comparison to LA Tech or CUSA. I was looking for a comparison to Fresno St. FSU has a big budget too. FSU averages over 6K at home too. FSU plays in a nice facility too. The FSU Save Mart Center is one of the elite basketball arenas in the west. And of course, one could argue that California's climate is much more appealing than El Paso's.

All of this --along with a 20-win program-- sounds much more appealing than what the current state of UTEP's basketball program offers. Again, just my opinion. I'm just trying to understand why Coach Terry would take that gamble.

1. UTEP had high attendance than Fresno St. last year, even though UTEP only won 10 games and Fresno St. won 20.

2. UTEP has a significantly larger basketball budget than Fresno St.

3. UTEP is paying Coach Terry more than Fresno St.

4. UTEP has one of the best practice facilities around and it is a major upgrade over Fresno St.

5. Coach Terry is from Texas and just wanted to come home.

6. Texas does not have a state income tax like California so Coach Terry will get an even bigger take home pay check.

1) The average home attendances were literally within a couple hundred people a game. So, no real material difference. Thus, this is a non-issue.

2) UTEP has an 850K larger basketball budget than Fresno ($4.13 to $3.29M) This may be a slight advantage to UTEP but still not THAT much of a factor. Honestly, I don't even know how a basketball program could spend that much. http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/...18684.html

3) Considering the risk Terry is taking, he's not really being paid much more.

4) The Save Mart Center is a $100 Million facility. At some point, the facility comparison becomes moot.

5) Yes, Terry may be from Texas, but it's not like he's in Houston. He's now in El Paso, which equidistant between San Diego, CA and Dallas. I'm not sure how helpful that will be to his cause.

6) The lack of a state income tax is the only solid advantage I really see to this for Terry.

7) CUSA has proven to be a one-bid basketball league. Terry has proven he can get his Fresno team to the NCAA Tournament. This will be a HUGE challenge for him at UTEP.

8) Again.....recruiting kids to the California valley vs the desert town of El Paso? Seriously?

I think Terry is running from something. Rodney Terry better be careful. This looks like a career killer move to me. His predecessor, Tim Floyd, was successful in a lot of places before arriving in El Paso. And we saw how things worked out for Floyd.
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(05-27-2018 01:13 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 07:35 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 11:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 10:57 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:46 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Nope, I did not know that......BUT, that simply begs the same question for the coach: Why would HE leave Fresno for a UTEP program in shambles?

I don't think shambles is an accurate assessment of UTEP basketball right now.
1. UTEP did beat La. Tech in El Paso
2. UTEP finished 2nd in the conference in attendance while having a losing season.
3. UTEP has one of the top basketball facilities, in CUSA in the Haskins Center and the Foster-Stevens practice facility.
4. UTEP has the largest recruiting budget in CUSA
5. UTEP is paying Rodney Terry 100k more than he made at Fresno St.
6. Rodney Terry is from Texas and recruits the state heavily.

UTEP had talent last year, but when the head coach steps down because of health reasons and the team loses both players over 6'8" to injuries and still was respectable in most all games. In addition UTEP is not on any type of probation and has a full allotment of scholarships and can play in any post season tournament. I would be willing to bet that UTEP will finish in the top 6 this coming year and will be picked to finish top two in the 2019-2020 season.

Yeah......I wasn't looking for a comparison to LA Tech or CUSA. I was looking for a comparison to Fresno St. FSU has a big budget too. FSU averages over 6K at home too. FSU plays in a nice facility too. The FSU Save Mart Center is one of the elite basketball arenas in the west. And of course, one could argue that California's climate is much more appealing than El Paso's.

All of this --along with a 20-win program-- sounds much more appealing than what the current state of UTEP's basketball program offers. Again, just my opinion. I'm just trying to understand why Coach Terry would take that gamble.

1. UTEP had high attendance than Fresno St. last year, even though UTEP only won 10 games and Fresno St. won 20.

2. UTEP has a significantly larger basketball budget than Fresno St.

3. UTEP is paying Coach Terry more than Fresno St.

4. UTEP has one of the best practice facilities around and it is a major upgrade over Fresno St.

5. Coach Terry is from Texas and just wanted to come home.

6. Texas does not have a state income tax like California so Coach Terry will get an even bigger take home pay check.

1) The average home attendances were literally within a couple hundred people a game. So, no real material difference. Thus, this is a non-issue.

2) UTEP has an 850K larger basketball budget than Fresno ($4.13 to $3.29M) This may be a slight advantage to UTEP but still not THAT much of a factor. Honestly, I don't even know how a basketball program could spend that much. http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/...18684.html

3) Considering the risk Terry is taking, he's not really being paid much more.

4) The Save Mart Center is a $100 Million facility. At some point, the facility comparison becomes moot.

5) Yes, Terry may be from Texas, but it's not like he's in Houston. He's now in El Paso, which equidistant between San Diego, CA and Dallas. I'm not sure how helpful that will be to his cause.

6) The lack of a state income tax is the only solid advantage I really see to this for Terry.

7) CUSA has proven to be a one-bid basketball league. Terry has proven he can get his Fresno team to the NCAA Tournament. This will be a HUGE challenge for him at UTEP.

8) Again.....recruiting kids to the California valley vs the desert town of El Paso? Seriously?

I think Terry is running from something. Rodney Terry better be careful. This looks like a career killer move to me. His predecessor, Tim Floyd, was successful in a lot of places before arriving in El Paso. And we saw how things worked out for Floyd.

1. One team had won 20 games the other 10. Once we win 20+ games our average will be at 8-10k.

2. Terry has more money for recruiting and to pay his assistants.

3. It’s still a pay raise. What risk? Aside from Tim Floyd every coach has been successful at UTEP and led to bigger jobs.

4. A 100 million dollar arena looks depressing when it’s only a little more than 1/3 full.

5. He has mentioned he is very familiar with El Paso. Kept tabs on the university after the 66 title. Used to make frequent road trips to El Paso to visit his girlfriend. Had previously applied to be the UTEP head coach. Has said his dream job has always been to be a head coach in the state of Texas.

6. ——

7. The MW will also be a one bid league going forward.

8. Already took Fresno St best recruits and brought them to El Paso. Has recently beat out major basketball schools for recruits.

9. Terry is running from poor leadership at Fresno St. Seriously who extends a coaches contract after making the NCAA Tournament but doesn’t include a buy out clause? As mentioned have success here and a P5 school will come poach you away. Make no mistake Terry will be successful at UTEP.
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05-27-2018 01:34 PM
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RE: Basketball Recruiting
Not really recruiting related, but Rice finally lost its third and final member of the 2017 recruiting class to transfer. And in my opinion, a kid who could've been a CUSA POY by the end of his career. When coach finally let him loose in our last four games of the season, he averaged 19.3 points and 5.5 rebounds per game on 55.7/46.7/70.6 shooting. So we'll be essentially starting over...again. Still think we'll be improved, but I'm less confident in that prediction than I was a couple days ago.
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