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RE: Cal vs Penny: Epic Article from Parrish
(04-24-2018 03:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-24-2018 12:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (04-24-2018 10:46 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote: (04-23-2018 08:24 PM)Stammers Wrote: (04-23-2018 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote: Cal consistently does less with more compared to some other high level college coaches.
How in the world do you not win a national championship with KAT, Devin Booker, Tyler Ulis, Cauley-Stein et al.?
Cal dominates everyone on the recruiting trail (except maybe K as of late) and yet he does not dominate in terms of national championships. Three other schools have more national championships than Kentucky during Cal's nine year tenure there.
If I'm a top-level recruit determined to play for a blue blood, I'd choose Duke over Kentucky every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You have better odds of winning a national title with K and Duke is clearly superior in terms of its academic status. It's a no-brainer.
If it's just about relationships and developing your game for the NBA, then Penny and Mike Miller will certainly have an opportunity to snag some big time players. Penny and Mike Miller had successful careers in the league. Cal was fired. Penny and Mike not only know basketball, but they can tell kids like James Wiseman what to expect in the NBA, from small things like where to sit on the team plane (Jalen Rose mentioned this exact example when referring to the advantage Ben Simmons has over Donovan Mitchell) to bigger things like the cultures of different franchises, including Miami, Phoenix, Orlando, Memphis, New York, etc.
Although it's fun to dump on Cal, it's not like Kentucky is a bad choice by any means. But the idea that he gets guys ready for the NBA more than other coaches or programs is bogus. He's just one of the best at recruiting the kids who are sure fire NBA guys.
Cal consistently does less with more compared to some other high level college coaches.
Quote:How in the world do you not win a national championship with KAT, Devin Booker, Tyler Ulis, Cauley-Stein et al.?
Quote:Cal consistently does less with more compared to some other high level college coaches.
I'm glad you mentioned this.
Duke 2018
6 1st Round NBA Draft Choices
Bagley, Carter, Trent Jr., Duval, Allen, Bolden
Result: Elite 8
Duke 2017
5 1st Round NBA Draft Choices
Tatum, Giles, Kennard, Allen, Bolden
Result: Round Of 32
Kentucky 2015
4 1st Round NBA Draft Choices
Towns, Booker, Lyles, Cauley- Stein
Result: Final Four
Just in case you're not sure what just happened; you just used your own argument to prove that what you said is not true.
K: 5 NCAA Championships, 12 Final Fours, 20 guys from Duke currently in the NBA, one of who is an all star
Cal: 1 NCAA Championship, 6 Final Fours, 2 of which were vacated, 25 guys from Kentucky currently in the NBA, four of whom are all stars (Less with More)
Now you might try and do what your fellow Kentucky fan tried to do and say that this is proof that Cal is better at developing guys for the NBA as evidenced by the fact that there are more Kentucky pros and more all stars. And I'd laugh at the argument. I'd laugh at the idea that Karl Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis wouldn't be who they are now had they gone to Duke instead of Kentucky.
Cal is the best at getting the most talented kids. Cal is NOT the best at winning championships. He does less with more.
We may as well be trying to show the truth to the actual screen, for the good it will do. I think everyone can see the truth. And I'm not even anti-Cal or pro-K. Just like actual facts.
I'm done with him on this topic.
Yep, Stammers has always loved taking up the losing side of an argument and riding with it all the way into the ground. Reality 267 - Stammers 0.
Quote:This is reminding me of the Memphis vs Michigan St game now.
Cal 50
Izzo 20
You made possibly the most worst, most lopsided, most losingest post in the history of this board, so AGAIN, I am thrilled that you disagree with me. I got you so bent out of shape that you didn't even realize what you were posting.
Tiger87 spent every minute up to the last 2 weeks of Tubby's tenure going into hysterics about how Tubby was doing a GREAT job, anyone who questioned him in any way was an idiot and there was no way that Tubby would be fired. Now he sees fit to continue lecturing me on facts and common sense as he has with Tubby for the last two years.
Please both of you keep disagreeing with me.
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