(04-20-2018 07:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Henson's cold as ice. There isn't a better coach in C-USA.

I really like Henson, but Id take Dan over him any day. Dan took over a 11-22 team that had 3 4 star players on it (Jaylen Brantley, Chris Thomas and Kareem Canty) and he dismissed them all. Why, attitude and behavioral problems. Canty went on a twitter tirade about Huntington and the school when Herrion was fired. Dan didn't hesitate to help him pack his bags.

Dan has increased his win total each of the 4 seasons he has been at Marshall, he is the only coach in Marshall history to do that and the only college coach that was hired in 2014 to do it.

14-15 11-21
15-16 17-16
16-17 20-15 (CUSA Champ Game)
17-18 25-11 (CUSA Champs, NCAA Round 32, Wichita State)

Dan took a group of under the radar guys and developed them into one of the most dangerous teams in the nation. He didn't get a 4 star athlete until he snagged Iran Bennett last year. And he has done it mainly through WV kids and surrounding neighboring state kids. Here is the players he has picked up in that area since he got here in 2014. Some never made it on campus and some have transferred.

2014
Shane Hall - Paintsville KY
Stevie Browning - Logan WV - Fairmont State transfer

2015
Jon Elmore - Charleston WV - VMI transfer (released from scholarship, never played at VMI)
Christian Thieneman - Louisville KY

2016
Rondale Watson - Lewisburg WV (Wake Forest transfer)
Ot Elmore - Charleston WV (UTRGV by way of VMI)
Phil Bledsoe - Wheeling WV
Ky're Allison - Portsmouth OH

2017
Jarrod West - Claksburg WV
Darius George - Staunton VA
Tanner Robinette - Honaker VA

2018
Jeremy Dillon - Williamson WV
Camron Brooks Harris - Zanesville OH
Taevion Kinsey - Columbus OH

Then there have been a lot of WV kids walk on under D'Antoni. The state of WV and neighboring states have plenty of DI kids to win with. There are plenty of PG, SG, S/PF, what there isn't a lot of and that's big men. That's where you usually have to look further away.

If you was to ever go to a practice with D'Antoni running it you would see no one leaves the practice until everyone understands what he is trying to do. He will spend just as much time with the walk on that may play 5 mins during the whole season on a play he doesn't understand as he will the 5 starters.

When Dan was an asst under Mike in the NBA that's what he done was player development. Some of those that he help develop where Leandro Barbosa, Amar'e Staudlemire and Jeremy Lin.

(04-21-2018 03:28 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 07:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Henson's cold as ice. There isn't a better coach in C-USA.

I really like Henson, but Id take Dan over him any day. Dan took over a 11-22 team that had 3 4 star players on it (Jaylen Brantley, Chris Thomas and Kareem Canty) and he dismissed them all. Why, attitude and behavioral problems. Canty went on a twitter tirade about Huntington and the school when Herrion was fired. Dan didn't hesitate to help him pack his bags.

Dan has increased his win total each of the 4 seasons he has been at Marshall, he is the only coach in Marshall history to do that and the only college coach that was hired in 2014 to do it.

14-15 11-21
15-16 17-16
16-17 20-15 (CUSA Champ Game)
17-18 25-11 (CUSA Champs, NCAA Round 32, Wichita State)

Dan took a group of under the radar guys and developed them into one of the most dangerous teams in the nation. He didn't get a 4 star athlete until he snagged Iran Bennett last year. And he has done it mainly through WV kids and surrounding neighboring state kids. Here is the players he has picked up in that area since he got here in 2014. Some never made it on campus and some have transferred.

2014
Shane Hall - Paintsville KY
Stevie Browning - Logan WV - Fairmont State transfer

2015
Jon Elmore - Charleston WV - VMI transfer (released from scholarship, never played at VMI)
Christian Thieneman - Louisville KY

2016
Rondale Watson - Lewisburg WV (Wake Forest transfer)
Ot Elmore - Charleston WV (UTRGV by way of VMI)
Phil Bledsoe - Wheeling WV
Ky're Allison - Portsmouth OH

2017
Jarrod West - Claksburg WV
Darius George - Staunton VA
Tanner Robinette - Honaker VA

2018
Jeremy Dillon - Williamson WV
Camron Brooks Harris - Zanesville OH
Taevion Kinsey - Columbus OH

Then there have been a lot of WV kids walk on under D'Antoni. The state of WV and neighboring states have plenty of DI kids to win with. There are plenty of PG, SG, S/PF, what there isn't a lot of and that's big men. That's where you usually have to look further away.

If you was to ever go to a practice with D'Antoni running it you would see no one leaves the practice until everyone understands what he is trying to do. He will spend just as much time with the walk on that may play 5 mins during the whole season on a play he doesn't understand as he will the 5 starters.

When Dan was an asst under Mike in the NBA that's what he done was player development. Some of those that he help develop where Leandro Barbosa, Amar'e Staudlemire and Jeremy Lin.

There really isn’t a debate as to who the better coach is. Hands down it's Dan no question about it.

(04-21-2018 08:25 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-21-2018 03:28 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 07:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Henson's cold as ice. There isn't a better coach in C-USA.

I really like Henson, but Id take Dan over him any day. Dan took over a 11-22 team that had 3 4 star players on it (Jaylen Brantley, Chris Thomas and Kareem Canty) and he dismissed them all. Why, attitude and behavioral problems. Canty went on a twitter tirade about Huntington and the school when Herrion was fired. Dan didn't hesitate to help him pack his bags.

Dan has increased his win total each of the 4 seasons he has been at Marshall, he is the only coach in Marshall history to do that and the only college coach that was hired in 2014 to do it.

14-15 11-21
15-16 17-16
16-17 20-15 (CUSA Champ Game)
17-18 25-11 (CUSA Champs, NCAA Round 32, Wichita State)

Dan took a group of under the radar guys and developed them into one of the most dangerous teams in the nation. He didn't get a 4 star athlete until he snagged Iran Bennett last year. And he has done it mainly through WV kids and surrounding neighboring state kids. Here is the players he has picked up in that area since he got here in 2014. Some never made it on campus and some have transferred.

2014
Shane Hall - Paintsville KY
Stevie Browning - Logan WV - Fairmont State transfer

2015
Jon Elmore - Charleston WV - VMI transfer (released from scholarship, never played at VMI)
Christian Thieneman - Louisville KY

2016
Rondale Watson - Lewisburg WV (Wake Forest transfer)
Ot Elmore - Charleston WV (UTRGV by way of VMI)
Phil Bledsoe - Wheeling WV
Ky're Allison - Portsmouth OH

2017
Jarrod West - Claksburg WV
Darius George - Staunton VA
Tanner Robinette - Honaker VA

2018
Jeremy Dillon - Williamson WV
Camron Brooks Harris - Zanesville OH
Taevion Kinsey - Columbus OH

Then there have been a lot of WV kids walk on under D'Antoni. The state of WV and neighboring states have plenty of DI kids to win with. There are plenty of PG, SG, S/PF, what there isn't a lot of and that's big men. That's where you usually have to look further away.

If you was to ever go to a practice with D'Antoni running it you would see no one leaves the practice until everyone understands what he is trying to do. He will spend just as much time with the walk on that may play 5 mins during the whole season on a play he doesn't understand as he will the 5 starters.

When Dan was an asst under Mike in the NBA that's what he done was player development. Some of those that he help develop where Leandro Barbosa, Amar'e Staudlemire and Jeremy Lin.

There really isn’t a debate as to who the better coach is. Hands down it's Dan no question about it.

Since you brought up win/loss records once more, I guess I'll repost this again...

UTSA the season before Henson...
2015: 5-27 (3-15)

Since...
2016: 14-19 (8-10)
2017: 20-15 (11-7)

Henson took UTSA from 5 wins to 20 (+15) in 2 years, and that's despite playing the entire 2017 season without one of our starters who was hurt in the first game. With all due respect to D'Antoni, who is a fine coach, he took Marshall from 11 wins to 25 (+14) in 4 years.

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And regarding under-the-radar talent, aside from OU transfer, Forward Dante Buford, who sat out this year due to the NCAA transfer policy, UTSA's entire roster is made up of under-the-radar guys. Outside of Buford, to my knowledge, we have only have one 3-star on our roster, and I don't believe we have a single 4-star recruit in the entire history of our basketball program.

Btw, Dante Buford has one year of eligibility left and was the nation’s 72nd overall recruit by ESPN, No. 120 by 247Sports and No. 131 by Rivals.com coming out of high school. He has a nice vertical, was OU's team slam dunk competition winner, and should be a solid addition to our team this coming year.

So, noble effort, but there's nothing here to convince me that D'Antoni is better than Henson. Sorry, guys. And JCMiner, this certainly sounds like a debate to me, and there's nothing "hands down" about any of this unless you're just not examining facts.

I'm also gonna leave this here if anyone doubts Henson's ability to recruit or coach under-the-radar talent. Four of the top ten freshman scorers in UTSA Basketball history have come from Henson's lone two recruiting classes so far, and are playing together on the team he's still in the process of building...

Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

(04-22-2018 08:21 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

Yeah, and did that coach win a conference title and an NCAA Tournament game after 2 seasons? There's a fact that matters also. And it's Henson*.

(04-22-2018 10:20 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 08:21 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

Yeah, and did that coach win a conference title and an NCAA Tournament game after 2 seasons? There's a fact that matters also. And it's Henson*.

The autocorrect on my phone doesn’t change the point I was making. No he didn’t but neither did Henson. Like you said we’re not going to change your opinion and that’s cool. Don’t let homerism cloud what has actually occurred in the history books to what one day may happen or not.

(04-22-2018 10:31 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:20 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 08:21 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

Yeah, and did that coach win a conference title and an NCAA Tournament game after 2 seasons? There's a fact that matters also. And it's Henson*.

The autocorrect on my phone doesn’t change the point I was making. No he didn’t but neither did Henson. Like you said we’re not going to change your opinion and that’s cool. Don’t let homerism cloud what has actually occurred in the history books to what one day may happen or not.

Yes, NEITHER did after two years, which was my point. D'Antoni has had 4 years, and Henson has had only two. What D'Antoni did do though after 2 years was take Marshall from 11 wins to 17 (only +6), while UTSA has gone from 5 to 20 in the same time.

And this isn't homerism, and you don't know me, because anyone who does will tell you that regardless of how steadfast my loyalty to UTSA is, I'm not a homer when it comes to discussions.

As I said a few posts ago, we can present all the information we want, but for most people, it won't change their mind. And that's cool. All I'm doing here is presenting my case for why Henson should be up there in the "Cool As Ice" designation. You come away from this thinking whatever you want. I just hope we'll be able to hang on to Henson a while longer (I wonder whether we can even keep him for 4 years), and for that matter, I also hope UTEP will return to their glory days because our conference needs you guys back in the hunt.

(04-22-2018 10:39 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:31 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:20 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 08:21 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

Yeah, and did that coach win a conference title and an NCAA Tournament game after 2 seasons? There's a fact that matters also. And it's Henson*.

The autocorrect on my phone doesn’t change the point I was making. No he didn’t but neither did Henson. Like you said we’re not going to change your opinion and that’s cool. Don’t let homerism cloud what has actually occurred in the history books to what one day may happen or not.

Yes, NEITHER did after two years, which was my point. D'Antoni has had 4 years, and Henson has had only two. What D'Antoni did do though after 2 years was take Marshall from 11 wins to 17 (only +6), while UTSA has gone from 5 to 20 in the same time.

And this isn't homerism, and you don't know me, because anyone who does will tell you that regardless of how steadfast my loyalty to UTSA is, I'm not a homer when it comes to discussions.

As I said a few posts ago, we can present all the information we want, but for most people, it won't change their mind. And that's cool. All I'm doing here is presenting my case for why Henson should be up there in the "Cool As Ice" designation. You come away from this thinking whatever you want. I just hope we'll be able to hang on to Henson a while longer (I wonder whether we can even keep him for 4 years), and for that matter, I also hope UTEP will return to their glory days because our conference needs you guys back in the hunt.

Fair points but if we are only going to consider the first two years then my vote goes to McCasland. He took UNT from 8 wins to 20 and a post season championship in one year.

(04-21-2018 11:59 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So, noble effort, but there's nothing here to convince me that D'Antoni is better than Henson. Sorry, guys. And JCMiner, this certainly sounds like a debate to me, and there's nothing "hands down" about any of this unless you're just not examining facts.
I'm also gonna leave this here if anyone doubts Henson's ability to recruit or coach under-the-radar talent. Four of the top ten freshman scorers in UTSA Basketball history have come from Henson's lone two recruiting classes so far, and are playing together on the team he's still in the process of building...

When Henson can take players that aren't suppose to be able to play at the DI level and transform them into Conference Champions then come back and see me:

Jon Elmore- Held 2 offers at the DI level coming out of HS, Longwood and VMI. And he held the VMI offer because his dad Gay Elmore is a VMI legend. Gay torched the Herd many times while at VMI. Even though he was WV Evans Award winner (WV HS Basketball Player of the year)

CJ Burks- Held 1 DI offer from Marshall. Even though he scored 2000 points in his HS career he didn't win the Evans award, that went to former Marshall Walk On and now just student at Marshall Jacob Kilgore.

Ajdin Penava- One offer from Marshall, didn't look like a DI player his 1st 2 years. Led the nation is blocks last year.

Jarrod West- Three DI offers, Marshall, Liberty and Winthorp, starter from day one he entered Marshall. Want to know why at least one or two of your players have their hands on their hips half way though the 2nd half. Its because West has been bulldogging them the whole game. He will make the opposing PG tired as @#%^ because he makes them work up the court the whole way.

Also having 4 of the top 10 freshman scorers in UTSA history doesn't say a lot about Henson. It just says a lot about how low UTSA basketball has been from its inception.

My guess is if Henson has a half way decent year next year someone from the MWC,MVC or A10 will take him off your hands. The only way Dan leaves is when he retires at Marshall. He has already out done every coach except one that Jeff Goodman was so giddy about tweeting that they were downright giddy about Dan being hired, that one coach is Jeff Jones

(04-22-2018 10:59 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:39 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:31 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:20 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 08:21 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Here’s the only facts the matter. One coach has won a conference title the other hasn’t. One coach has won an NCAA Tournament game the other hasn’t. Once Hanson accomplishes either one of those I’ll consider it a debate.

Yeah, and did that coach win a conference title and an NCAA Tournament game after 2 seasons? There's a fact that matters also. And it's Henson*.

The autocorrect on my phone doesn’t change the point I was making. No he didn’t but neither did Henson. Like you said we’re not going to change your opinion and that’s cool. Don’t let homerism cloud what has actually occurred in the history books to what one day may happen or not.

Yes, NEITHER did after two years, which was my point. D'Antoni has had 4 years, and Henson has had only two. What D'Antoni did do though after 2 years was take Marshall from 11 wins to 17 (only +6), while UTSA has gone from 5 to 20 in the same time.

And this isn't homerism, and you don't know me, because anyone who does will tell you that regardless of how steadfast my loyalty to UTSA is, I'm not a homer when it comes to discussions.

As I said a few posts ago, we can present all the information we want, but for most people, it won't change their mind. And that's cool. All I'm doing here is presenting my case for why Henson should be up there in the "Cool As Ice" designation. You come away from this thinking whatever you want. I just hope we'll be able to hang on to Henson a while longer (I wonder whether we can even keep him for 4 years), and for that matter, I also hope UTEP will return to their glory days because our conference needs you guys back in the hunt.

Fair points but if we are only going to consider the first two years then my vote goes to McCasland. He took UNT from 8 wins to 20 and a post season championship in one year.

Also a fair point, but I do think we would've won our post-season tournament if we hadn't lost our leading scorer late in the season. Mind you, we were already missing a starter to begin with, because Rodriguez got hurt in the very first game of the season. The team that knocked us out of the College Insider Tournament (Sam Houston State) is a team we beat handily in a preseason game in Huntsville 89-76 with those two playing.

And yeah, I get that there's a difference between preseason and regular and post-season, but injuries in the time when they matter most, especially to your leading scorer, are a *****. Jackson was averaging 18.4/game. The next closest on our roster was Keaton Wallace at 11.4.

(04-22-2018 10:59 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Fair points but if we are only going to consider the first two years then my vote goes to McCasland. He took UNT from 8 wins to 20 and a post season championship in one year.

McCasland has built a house of cards on JuCo's looking for the next job. If he can win another 20 games again next year that will give him 3 straight 20 win seasons, 1 at Arkansas State and 2 at UNT. Which means someone will look at him to move up. What happens to the house of JuCos then, most likely they fall.

(04-22-2018 11:14 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:59 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Fair points but if we are only going to consider the first two years then my vote goes to McCasland. He took UNT from 8 wins to 20 and a post season championship in one year.

McCasland has built a house of cards on JuCo's looking for the next job. If he can win another 20 games again next year that will give him 3 straight 20 win seasons, 1 at Arkansas State and 2 at UNT. Which means someone will look at him to move up. What happens to the house of JuCos then, most likely they fall.

You don't really have a handle on what McCasland is doing. He may coach his way to a better job, but he is building a real basketball program at North Texas. Remember, our AD is a basketball guy.

North Texas Basketball is not a house of cards. McCasland is building a new program from quality Jucos and highly rated high school prospects. In fact almost all of our starters and contributors from our 20 win team return next season.

Also, McCasland has two of our state's top recruits committed to play for the Mean Green. Here are the stories.



#27 Player in the State of Texas Commits to Play at North Texas
http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-gree...larry-wise

#16 Player in Texas Commits to North Texas for 2019
http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-gree...gner-guard

(04-22-2018 11:14 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 10:59 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Fair points but if we are only going to consider the first two years then my vote goes to McCasland. He took UNT from 8 wins to 20 and a post season championship in one year.

McCasland has built a house of cards on JuCo's looking for the next job. If he can win another 20 games again next year that will give him 3 straight 20 win seasons, 1 at Arkansas State and 2 at UNT. Which means someone will look at him to move up. What happens to the house of JuCos then, most likely they fall.

Strange view, I don't think any fan wants their HC to be so unsuccessful that he doesn't attract more offers.

Your house of JuCo's comment demonstrates a lack of basketball knowledge or effort on research. There are few teams that are not using transfers for a significant part of their roster.

NT returns all five starters from last year, so your implied short term fix to move on does not stand up. Those returning starters include 2 seniors, a sophomores and 2 juniors. NT also have two freshmen redshirts and one sophomore. Both of McCasland's current comments are HS players.

(04-20-2018 08:29 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  From some fans perspective, Ehsan's seat is warm. From the administrative perspective, it is neutral to cool.

more opinion, not fact...speak to Coach E, he knows his seat is warm and I suspect it isn't because of fan complaints.