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Why Does A School's Different Campuses have Different Athletic Teams
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A quick Google search didn't really give me anything other than they exist.

In Michigan all of our universities operate independently from one another. Each university may have different campuses, but the athletic team is still the one on the main campus.

The exception is the University of Michigan, who's Dearborn campus has NAIA teams.

However some schools have universities with multiple campuses, and each campus has an athletic team. Indiana University, for example, has several campuses and each campus has athletic teams and they're not even all considered to be the Hoosiers. Consider IUPUI or Fort Wayne. University of Texas is another example, where you have UTSA and UTEP.

And then you have the states that have 'university systems' where a state's different schools are all governed by the same people, like Ohio.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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For low-population, etc. states, allowing sports to be distributed around makes great sense to me.
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RE: Why Does A School's Different Campuses have Different Athletic Teams
(04-17-2018 06:41 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Hello all

A quick Google search didn't really give me anything other than they exist.

In Michigan all of our universities operate independently from one another. Each university may have different campuses, but the athletic team is still the one on the main campus.

The exception is the University of Michigan, who's Dearborn campus has NAIA teams.

However some schools have universities with multiple campuses, and each campus has an athletic team. Indiana University, for example, has several campuses and each campus has athletic teams and they're not even all considered to be the Hoosiers. Consider IUPUI or Fort Wayne. University of Texas is another example, where you have UTSA and UTEP.

And then you have the states that have 'university systems' where a state's different schools are all governed by the same people, like Ohio.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

It might not make the most financial sense, but it is a lot of full ride and partial scholarships for students who otherwise may have difficulty paying for college. In my opinion it's good for society at least.
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RE: Why Does A School's Different Campuses have Different Athletic Teams
Different states govern and align their university systems in different ways.

For instance, in Texas, each school in the UT system is funded and governed through the UT Board of Regents. However, each UT system campus is a free-standing university. UT Austin is the flagship, but the other schools are free-standing universities. Some (such as UTEP and UT-Arlington) have a history that precedes their merger into the UT system. Diplomas read "University of Texas at _______". Since they are free-standing universities under the UT board of regents, they also have their own athletic departments. In the UT system's case, each school now uses orange as one of their colors.

The Texas A&M system is similar, only with a more recent merger of schools into the A&M system. Schools such as Kingsville and Commerce had long histories as separate schools. Also, the A&M schools have not been forced to add maroon as a primary color.
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RE: Why Does A School's Different Campuses have Different Athletic Teams
Over here, UA has UAB (Blazers) and UAH (Chargers) in addition to the Tide (Tuscaloosa). Auburn has AUM (Warhawks) in addition to the Tigers. Troy, South Alabama, and Montevallo are their own university systems. Troy has campuses in Dothan and Montgomery in addition to the main one at Troy, but only the main campus has athletic teams. USA and UM have only their main campus.
The state of Georgia is different though. I want to say that every state school is a part of the University System of Georgia, but I am not positive on that. Maybe someone from Georgia could confirm or deny that for me. I do know that UGa (Athens) and GT are both are a part of the University System of Georgia.
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Ohio State branches have their own conference that is not under any external organization except that regional conference. Probably cheaper and at least allows branches to compete with each other. Miami and Akron branches are also under that system. But the branches are not well known outside Ohio, because no NAIA or NCAA is involved.
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(04-17-2018 06:41 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  However some schools have universities with multiple campuses, and each campus has an athletic team. Indiana University, for example, has several campuses and each campus has athletic teams and they're not even all considered to be the Hoosiers. Consider IUPUI or Fort Wayne. University of Texas is another example, where you have UTSA and UTEP.

Are you asking about why other schools within a university system have athletic teams, or are you concerned that other schools have athletic teams not named the same as the main campus?

FWIW, my local school district has every school (including kindergarten, which is pretty cool) in the same colors and the same mascot. But we only have three schools total (Elementary, Middle and HS) so it's a pretty simple formula It works really well and kids love the fact that as a 6th grade basketball player they are a Spartan like the bad-ass high school ballers.
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UTEP and UTSA are part of the UT System but they aren't "campuses" of the flagship, Texas. Each university has their own president, their own admissions procedures and standards and their own athletic departments.
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What it comes down to is the way the school is accredited. If University of Texas had one accreditation for all of its campuses, they would be able to have one set of athletic teams. If each campus receives a separate accreditation, they can each have athletics. In the first example I gave, all sports do not have to be on the same campus. For example UT-Austin could have football, UT-Dallas - Basketball, UT-El Paso - Softball etc.
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(04-17-2018 08:01 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The state of Georgia is different though. I want to say that every state school is a part of the University System of Georgia, but I am not positive on that. Maybe someone from Georgia could confirm or deny that for me. I do know that UGa (Athens) and GT are both are a part of the University System of Georgia.

You are correct on that. All of the state schools are part of the USG. But as I mentioned in the previous post, each are accredited as separate institutions.
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(04-17-2018 08:59 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  What it comes down to is the way the school is accredited. If University of Texas had one accreditation for all of its campuses, they would be able to have one set of athletic teams. If each campus receives a separate accreditation, they can each have athletics. In the first example I gave, all sports do not have to be on the same campus. For example UT-Austin could have football, UT-Dallas - Basketball, UT-El Paso - Softball etc.

Nailed it.
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(04-17-2018 08:01 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The state of Georgia is different though. I want to say that every state school is a part of the University System of Georgia, but I am not positive on that. Maybe someone from Georgia could confirm or deny that for me. I do know that UGa (Athens) and GT are both are a part of the University System of Georgia.

you got it right. All public schools in Georgia are part of the University System of Georgia. However, each school is operated independently.

There are 4 flagship research institutions ($1bil+/yr budget), which are Georgia Tech, University of Georgia, Georgia State University, and Augusta Medical University.

Then there are large regional universities ($200m~400m/yr budget) like Georgia Southern, Valdosta, Kennesaw, West Georgia.

Then you have small to medium 4-year state universities and colleges (less than $100mil/yr budget) spread throughout Georgia.
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California tops all of you:

University of California has 6 (Berkeley, Davis, Irvine, Los Angeles, Riverside, Santa Barbara), soon to be 7 (San Diego) D-I campuses, a D-III campus (Santa Cruz), and a NAIA campus (Merced), all with their own Chancellor. 9 in all.

Diploma's read University of California, <Location>

And we have a whopping 23 campus California State University, each with their own President and Athletic Department as well.

However, I can tell you the diplomas from the four distinct names do not say California State University:

Humboldt State University
San Diego State University
San Francisco State University
San Jose State University
Sonoma State University

But all the CSU schools do say "California State University, <location>" regardless of how the school brands itself:

Fresno (Fresno State), Chico (Chico State), Fullerton, Long Beach ('confusing'), Monterey Bay, San Bernadino, Los Angeles, Channel Islands, Bakersfield, Sacramento (Sac State), Stanislaw (Stan State), East Bay, Northridge, San Marcos, Dominguez Hills

Cal Poly (San Luis Obspo) diplomas read "California Polytechnic State University"
Cal Poly Pomona diplomas read "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona"
California Maritime Academy reads "California Maritime Academy"

It's a branding nightmare. Donald Gerth (former President of Sacramento State), has claimed that the weak California State University identity has contributed to the CSU's perceived lack of prestige when compared to the University of California. This no doubt is why every school goes it's own way with branding.

The UC System share one set of trustees, and the CSU System also share one set of trustees. It was meant to be allow economy of scale, but with so many schools it results in a certain remoteness and inability to respond to challenges. Very different than in States with just a few campuses.
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I have friends who went to UMass Lowell and UMass Dartmouth, and they'll say I went to UML or UMD. I don't think they feel any connection to the campus at Amherst even though it's the flagship.
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Rutgers three campuses all started off as separate, free standing, PRIVATE universities. Although a student can cross register for classes, Newark and Camden are not satellite campuses of New Brunswick. They are all still governed and accredited separately from one another and maintain separate sports programs with separate identities.
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(04-17-2018 11:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  California tops all of you:

University of California has 6 (Berkeley, Davis, Irvine, Los Angeles, Riverside, Santa Barbara), soon to be 7 (San Diego) D-I campuses, a D-III campus (Santa Cruz), and a NAIA campus (Merced), all with their own Chancellor. 9 in all.

Diploma's read University of California, <Location>

And we have a whopping 23 campus California State University, each with their own President and Athletic Department as well.

However, I can tell you the diplomas from the four distinct names do not say California State University:

Humboldt State University
San Diego State University
San Francisco State University
San Jose State University
Sonoma State University

But all the CSU schools do say "California State University, <location>" regardless of how the school brands itself:

Fresno (Fresno State), Chico (Chico State), Fullerton, Long Beach ('confusing'), Monterey Bay, San Bernadino, Los Angeles, Channel Islands, Bakersfield, Sacramento (Sac State), Stanislaw (Stan State), East Bay, Northridge, San Marcos, Dominguez Hills

Cal Poly (San Luis Obspo) diplomas read "California Polytechnic State University"
Cal Poly Pomona diplomas read "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona"
California Maritime Academy reads "California Maritime Academy"

It's a branding nightmare. Donald Gerth (former President of Sacramento State), has claimed that the weak California State University identity has contributed to the CSU's perceived lack of prestige when compared to the University of California. This no doubt is why every school goes it's own way with branding.

The UC System share one set of trustees, and the CSU System also share one set of trustees. It was meant to be allow economy of scale, but with so many schools it results in a certain remoteness and inability to respond to challenges. Very different than in States with just a few campuses.

People forget that when the California schools had football that are CSU? They where called the city and State to make it a less confusing. There were so many football programs that went that way.
Northridge State
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
San Bernardino State
Las Angeles State
San Francisco State
Fresno State
San Jose State
Sacramento State
Chico State
Hayward State now East Bay State
Cal. Poly-Pomona
Cal. Poly-SLO
Sonoma State


Now, when the schools played football, they were what I have written, but when the schools play other sports, they went by the CSU-City name.
The schools I mentioned above who do not have football do have news articles about looking at adding football, or the students are making a voice to add add the program. If those schools in the CSU system starts adding football? They would go by City State instead of CSU-City. It gives each school a image that they are apart from the main CSU campus in football for school spirit.
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(04-17-2018 08:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  UTEP and UTSA are part of the UT System but they aren't "campuses" of the flagship, Texas. Each university has their own president, their own admissions procedures and standards and their own athletic departments.

How crazy would it be for UTEP, nearly 600 miles from Austin, to have UT as its only athletic teams?
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(04-18-2018 09:15 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 08:33 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  UTEP and UTSA are part of the UT System but they aren't "campuses" of the flagship, Texas. Each university has their own president, their own admissions procedures and standards and their own athletic departments.

How crazy would it be for UTEP, nearly 600 miles from Austin, to have UT as its only athletic teams?

Maybe they could start doing some other schools about marketing as their own self like calling them University of El Paso? We see that in other schools like Chattanooga, Little Rock, Milwaukee, looks like Green Bay starting to do it, Fresno State, Long Beach State and so forth. University of San Antonio sounds good as well.
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A lot of these schools like being able to attach themselves to the UT or A&M branding, particularly if they were not independent U's before.

But honestly I'd have no issue with A&M-Kingsville returning to its original name of Texas A&I or UTEP returning to Texas Western if they wanted to market themselves that way
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(04-18-2018 09:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  A lot of these schools like being able to attach themselves to the UT or A&M branding, particularly if they were not independent U's before.

But honestly I'd have no issue with A&M-Kingsville returning to its original name of Texas A&I or UTEP returning to Texas Western if they wanted to market themselves that way

This, especially in the case of the UT schools.

I'd be fine with the return of the names Texas A&I and East Texas State (A&M-Commerce). Tarleton State has been part of the A&M system since 1917 (I just looked that up), and doesn't have A&M in their name.
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