Educate yourself Ollie........

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/76037130

More evidence of DJT running interference for Putin.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/don-t-confuse...36819.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-warn...18241.html

(04-17-2018 06:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was because a Republican governor. They made Flint switch from the Detroit water supply. All political.


And JMU...... riiiggghhhhttt.

No, it was because of years of Democratic rule. The City/residents didn't do any lead supply line replacements.

The City was broke. The City had a long term plan to participate in the water pipeline.

Then Detroit, (Democrats) cut Flint off Detroit water early, leaving Flint with few options until the pipeline was complete.

Mach, tell me, why are those lead supply lines still in service? What did the governor have to do with that?

(04-18-2018 09:11 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 06:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was because a Republican governor. They made Flint switch from the Detroit water supply. All political.


And JMU...... riiiggghhhhttt.

No, it was because of years of Democratic rule. The City/residents didn't do any lead supply line replacements.

The City was broke. The City had a long term plan to participate in the water pipeline.

Then Detroit, (Democrats) cut Flint off Detroit water early, leaving Flint with few options until the pipeline was complete.

Mach, tell me, why are those lead supply lines still in service? What did the governor have to do with that?

And Obama's EPA, whose job is to deal with such pollutants, knew about it and decided to do nothing because "nobody cares about poor people." More Democrats.

More of Obama hiring only the best-of useless bureaucrats.

(04-17-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Yahoo.

Did isikoff or corn write this?

It was written by Fusion GPS subcontractors.

(04-17-2018 04:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 02:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the attacks ramped up mightily after Trump was elected...............

it sounds like you should agree that attacking in response to 'ramped up' attacks is perfectly reasonable.

Maybe Syria thought the distractions the Democrats are throwing at Trump gave them cover.

More than likely Assad thought Russia gave it cover. What Assad neglected to consider is Trump is not Obama. He's learned otherwise. Let's see what comes of it.

(04-18-2018 09:11 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 06:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was because a Republican governor. They made Flint switch from the Detroit water supply. All political.


And JMU...... riiiggghhhhttt.

No, it was because of years of Democratic rule. The City/residents didn't do any lead supply line replacements.

The City was broke. The City had a long term plan to participate in the water pipeline.

Then Detroit, (Democrats) cut Flint off Detroit water early, leaving Flint with few options until the pipeline was complete.

Mach, tell me, why are those lead supply lines still in service? What did the governor have to do with that?

Perfect example of reading what you want out of a situation. The governor that made them switch plans was Republican. Fact.

Isn't what made them switch the fact that they were broke and trying to cut costs somewhere?

(04-18-2018 10:51 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 09:11 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 06:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was because a Republican governor. They made Flint switch from the Detroit water supply. All political.


And JMU...... riiiggghhhhttt.

No, it was because of years of Democratic rule. The City/residents didn't do any lead supply line replacements.

The City was broke. The City had a long term plan to participate in the water pipeline.

Then Detroit, (Democrats) cut Flint off Detroit water early, leaving Flint with few options until the pipeline was complete.

Mach, tell me, why are those lead supply lines still in service? What did the governor have to do with that?

Perfect example of reading what you want out of a situation. The governor that made them switch plans was Republican. Fact.

The permit for the pipeline was issued in 2009. That direction was set by the Democratic administration long before the state took over. That is fact.

You didn't answer the question -- Why are there so many lead lines still in service in the City? Why was the City not working to replace them? It has been unlawful to install lead service lines since 1986. That's a lot of time to replace pipe.

Do you understand that there isn't lead in the river water? The lead is in the city pipes. The PIPES. If the pipes were upgraded, over the past thirty years, this wouldn't be an issue. Treating the water with phosphate is a band aid. It doesn't fix the problem.

(04-18-2018 11:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Isn't what made them switch the fact that they were broke and trying to cut costs somewhere?

They were trying to cut costs before they went into state receivership. This direction was set long before that.

I've read it was a political decision to pinch Detroit and get labor concessions. The people of Flint were just political pawns.

Because of Flint’s method of treating Flint River water, it experienced problems with elevated trihalomethanes, a regulated class of disinfection by-products that are known carcinogens. A domino series of causes and effects were responsible for this problem.

The Flint River is naturally high in corrosive chloride. Therefore, iron pipes in the water distribution system began corroding immediately after the initial switch from Detroit water. The iron that was released from the corroding pipes reacted with residual chlorine that is added to kill microorganisms, making it unavailable to function as a disinfectant.

Because chlorine, which reacted with the iron pipes, could not act as as disinfectant, bacteria levels spiked. When coliform bacteria were detected in distribution system water samples, water utility managers were obliged by law to increase the levels of chlorine. The higher levels of chlorine, while reducing coliform counts, led to the formation of more trihalomethanes.

Providing adequate disinfection while minimizing disinfection by-products is a challenge faced by most utilities even under the best of circumstances. The problems became intractable in Flint due to the excessive corrosion of the pipes that deliver water to people’s homes.

The science of pipe corrosion in drinking water systems is complex and not completely understood. Corrosion control occurs when naturally forming minerals deposit on pipe walls, thereby protecting the iron pipe surfaces from exposure to oxidants in the water. Changes in water quality sometimes dissolve these mineral coatings, exposing the pipe to corrosion.

In iron pipe systems, the released iron corrosion particles are visible, causing colored and turbid water. In older distribution systems, where lead service lines are often still in place, corrosion then releases lead and copper. Corrosion rates can be affected by many factors that are not well-understood, including the presence of bacteria that colonize the pipe wall, as well as pipe age and water flow rates.

Because of the uncertainties around leaching, the majority of utilities treating surface water add phosphate corrosion inhibitors to control corrosion. They devise doses based on the water industry’s experience, rather than on rigorous scientific calculations.

False economies
Empirical tests known as “loop tests” are commonly used to assess the effectiveness of corrosion control strategies applied to a given water distribution system. There is no record that such tests were performed in Flint.

A critical cost-saving decision made by Flint not to use corrosion inhibitors, especially when water previously supplied by Detroit did contain them, should have raised concerns. Evidence to demonstrate that inhibitors were unnecessary was a minimum common-sense requirement.

Ignorance among utility personnel and water quality engineers of the importance of corrosion control management and its subtle linkage to decisions made elsewhere in the treatment plant unfortunately also played a role in this story of unintended consequences.

In many water treatment textbooks, the topic of pipeline corrosion is covered as an afterthought. Flint’s experience should serve as a siren call to the profession of water quality engineers to remedy this oversight.

By not adding a corrosion inhibitor, Flint was going to save about $140 per day. But the inestimable costs of the errors made in Flint will reverberate through the community for a long time and their magnitude will dwarf the original planned savings.

Replacement of Flint’s lead service lines, which is the only permanent solution to address its lead vulnerability, is estimated to cost up to $1.5 billion, according to Flint’s mayor, Karen Weaver.

Investment of funds in infrastructure that might have made a large dent toward solving the problem permanently must now focus on monitoring, alternative water sources, point-of-use treatment filters, health costs and restoring the badly eroded trust of the community.

Given the complexities and uncertainties in producing safe potable drink, a nonnegotiable respect for the necessary planning and testing steps of any new system is paramount to prevent such incidents as we’ve seen in Flint. A lack of due diligence in planning will always cost more in the end.

http://theconversation.com/the-science-b...rust-53776

140 dollars a day was the mistake of the Flint leaders. Even with their river water.

(04-18-2018 12:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  140 dollars a day was the mistake of the Flint leaders. Even with their river water.

Mach don't mean to change the subject, well I guess it really doesn't matter because this topic has gone from 1 thing to another and another to about water.

Any ways I wanted to bring this to your attention. I think you must have missed it or closed your eyes to it...


Criminal Referrals for Comey, Clinton, Lynch to DOJ

You might need to buckle up https://csnbbs.com/thread-848354-post-15...id15255657

https://saraacarter.com/breaking-lawmake...e-dossier/

(04-18-2018 12:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  140 dollars a day was the mistake of the Flint leaders. Even with their river water.

I'm not sure what you don't understand here.

If Flint wasn't broke, before the state took over, they'd have kept paying high rates for Detroit water. But they were broke, so they looked to join the pipeline project, again, before the state took over.

When Flint joined the pipeline project, Detroit immediately announced they were going to stop supplying Flint with water. Detroit knew that the pipeline would not be ready to meet the need when Detroit turned off the taps.

So, Flint decided to use their old water treatment plant and they were ill-equiped to run it. They weren't ready. It was a bad solution. They could have simply not supplied water, I guess. They could not afford to buy it from Detroit any longer.

If Detroit doesn't shut off the water, then Flint never has to use their old plant.

If Flint did anything in the past thirty years to replace their lead service lines (Madison, Wisconsin replaced all theirs), they wouldn't have had as serious an issue.

You seem unwilling to listen to fact on this issue.

This seems like the beginning of another Iraq where we go in with certain intentions and mission scope but it gets broadened and we are there for another 10 years.

There doesn't seem to be a good side to be on in the Syria war with Assad on one side and ISIS on the other and Iran and Russia in the middle. is there something I'm missing here? Why is this our business?

I seriously don't see the upside for the US and our interests in getting involved.

I read Snyder cut off Flynt from Detroit water to punch negotiations with Detroit city labor.

I know the science behind it well. The original switch of the water came from the governors office.

(04-18-2018 03:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I know the science behind it well. The original switch of the water came from the governors office.

Do you understand that the problem was that Flint was broke, insolvent? That in their then financial state Detroit water was no longer a viable option?

(04-18-2018 03:33 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I read Snyder cut off Flynt from Detroit water to punch negotiations with Detroit city labor.

You read lots of things.

You read that Trig Palin was Bristol's kid.

(04-17-2018 06:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No it was because a Republican governor. They made Flint switch from the Detroit water supply. All political.


And JMU...... riiiggghhhhttt.

As I pointed out in the many threads on the Flint topic you are wrong. The only mistake the state made was rubber stamping a decision the leftist government of Flint had been wanting to make since the late 1960's.