(04-16-2018 08:59 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: I dunno if this has been discussed yet but what would everyones starting 5 be?
For me . . .
Harris/Martin/Jones/Maruice/Parks
or
Lomax/Martin/Jones/Maurice/Parks
I like Davenport and Thorton off the bench. Lomax and Harris to me are interchangeable however i'd rather have the shooter out there.
KD and Brewton should be ahead of the Freshman coming in. We finally do have depth at pg so Martin can take a rest after basically playing near 40 min per game the last 2 seasons.
- We don't know the finished roster yet. May still get some guys. May still have some transfers. And until we know more about Azab's illness, we should probably assume he's not going to be an active part of the team next year. So most everything is pretty rank speculation based on incomplete information.
- Not every one of the new guys is going to come in and be a 25-30 minute contributor right away.
- Fans like to talk about pressing and running 10 or 12 guys out there, but the reality is most rotations usually tighten up to about 7 or 8 guys with a couplethreee other guys getting spot minutes based on match-ups, who's having a good/bad night, etc.
- We're going to be small.
Throat clearing aside, based on what we have now I'd guess our rotation would look something like
PG - Lomax
SG - Martin
SF - Jones
PF - Davenport
C - Parks
With Harris backing up PG/SG, Thornton backing up SF/PF and Davenport sliding over to C sometimes. If Maurice can't find a way in, I'd bet we just stick with that seven man rotation, but he could round out an 8 man rotation backing up PF/C (It's also possible we end up with Lomax, Harris and Martin starting as a three guard back court, or something like Martin, Jones, Thornton starting at the 1, 2, 3. just depending on who struggles or who doesn't).
Unless Lomax, Martin or Harris struggle, or are injured, I just don't see a lot a playing time for Brewton. Similarly Enoh's probably just not going to get into the regular rotation. And those two (and possibly Maurice) are your likely spot minute guys.
I expect Hardaway Jr is probably going to be more of an end of the bench kind of guy, but maybe he's a spot minute guy. And as I said, until I hear otherwise, I don't expect Azab to be dressing out next year. But if he does, he'll most likely be an end of the bench kind of player.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2018 12:15 PM by Briskbas.)
(04-16-2018 09:11 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote: I am not 100% sure we start with Martin healthy, his injury might take a bit I fear, but let's assume he does.
I see the depth chart:
PG: Martin* / Harris ** / Lomax **
SG: Brewton / Hardaway Jr. **
SF: Jones ** / Thorton
PF: Davenport / Maurice **
C: Parks / Enoh / Azab*
* = Injury / Illness concern
** = New Player this year
With a lot of talent on the guards, I'd assume we're going to go small a lot, call it 2 PGs?
In practice, I see it looking like:
PG1: Harris / Lomax
PG2 (Bigger one): Martin / Brewton / Hardaway*
SG/SF: Jones / Thorton
F: Davenport / Maurice
C: Parks / Enoh* / Azab*
no star = Rotation Player
* = Spot Player
One scholarship to use. Grad transfer?
Ain’t no way in hell anyone beats Lomax out at point barring a late transfers who is damn good. Harris, Martin, Jones get all the minutes at the 2 and 3. Davenport, Maurice split time at the 4 with Martin there occasionally when playing small ball. His wing span justifies him playing the 4 a bit. and Mike splits with Mauricen at the 5.
If Martin is playing the 4 something has gone terribly wrong.
I said just a bit and would bet you will see him there a few times. I think that lineup in a 3/4 zone trap would create havoc vs a team with shaky ball handlers.
(04-16-2018 08:59 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote: I dunno if this has been discussed yet but what would everyones starting 5 be?
For me . . .
Harris/Martin/Jones/Maruice/Parks
or
Lomax/Martin/Jones/Maurice/Parks
I like Davenport and Thorton off the bench. Lomax and Harris to me are interchangeable however i'd rather have the shooter out there.
KD and Brewton should be ahead of the Freshman coming in. We finally do have depth at pg so Martin can take a rest after basically playing near 40 min per game the last 2 seasons.
I’m tell you neither will be ahead of Lomax. Kid is mature beyond his years and Penny trusts him
(04-16-2018 09:37 PM)jamammy Wrote: About the dunks ...
Not a lot of hops and that jump shot is pretty herky.
Actually I was trying to show that he does dunk.
He looks pretty good to me all around.
Don't disagree. Just not a very springy guy. Shot has a weird hink in it where he's bringing it from almost his left ear, with the center of his palm pointing almost perpendicular to the basket. See eg:
That might need to be fixed. Might not. Doesn't mean he won't be effective.
I do wonder if he's a Jeff Robinson destined to be an undersized college (in this case stretch) PF type, though.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2018 03:40 PM by Briskbas.)
(04-16-2018 09:37 PM)jamammy Wrote: About the dunks ...
Not a lot of hops and that jump shot is pretty herky.
Actually I was trying to show that he does dunk.
He looks pretty good to me all around.
Don't disagree. Just not a very springy guy. Shot has a weird hink in it where he's bringing it from almost his left ear, with the center of his palm pointing almost perpendicular to the basket. See eg:
That might need to be fixed. Might not. Doesn't mean he won't be effective.
I do wonder if he's a Jeff Robinson destined to be an undersized college (in this case stretch) PF type, though.
I got called a moron for saying the same thing so there's that.
It is strange how many good prospects the last couple of years have this similar, strange shooting motion, bringing the ball across the body. Lonzo Ball has it, and Markelle Fultz seemed to have developed it last summer.
Really shows up in FT% as well as FG%, both Ball and Fultz under 50% FT shooters, which for a point guard is terrible.
Hopefully this will be one of Mike Miller's specialties, working on shooting form.
(04-16-2018 09:37 PM)jamammy Wrote: About the dunks ...
Not a lot of hops and that jump shot is pretty herky.
Actually I was trying to show that he does dunk.
He looks pretty good to me all around.
Don't disagree. Just not a very springy guy. Shot has a weird hink in it where he's bringing it from almost his left ear, with the center of his palm pointing almost perpendicular to the basket. See eg:
That might need to be fixed. Might not. Doesn't mean he won't be effective.
I do wonder if he's a Jeff Robinson destined to be an undersized college (in this case stretch) PF type, though.
Again, I agree but from the first video I saw to this one he looks like two different players.
(04-17-2018 03:53 PM)Tigx Wrote: It is strange how many good prospects the last couple of years have this similar, strange shooting motion, bringing the ball across the body. Lonzo Ball has it, and Markelle Fultz seemed to have developed it last summer.
Really shows up in FT% as well as FG%, both Ball and Fultz under 50% FT shooters, which for a point guard is terrible.
Hopefully this will be one of Mike Miller's specialties, working on shooting form.
It fundamentally flawed and difficult to correct once kid get to this level.
(04-17-2018 03:53 PM)Tigx Wrote: It is strange how many good prospects the last couple of years have this similar, strange shooting motion, bringing the ball across the body. Lonzo Ball has it, and Markelle Fultz seemed to have developed it last summer.
Really shows up in FT% as well as FG%, both Ball and Fultz under 50% FT shooters, which for a point guard is terrible.
Hopefully this will be one of Mike Miller's specialties, working on shooting form.
It fundamentally flawed and difficult to correct once kid get to this level.
You guys are a trip. I’m all for players being fundamentally sound, but do we know if his lack of perfect form truly impacts his shooting percentage? Rodney Newsom used to shoot with two hands, but it went in a lot.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2018 07:09 PM by cscottl1981.)
(04-17-2018 07:07 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: You guys are a trip. I’m all for players being fundamentally sound, but do we know if his lack of perfect form truly impacts his shooting percentage? Rodney Newsom used to shoot with two hands, but it went in a lot.
Seems to me 'lack of perfect form' hardly describes his shooting. He won't be able to get to the bucket at will in college like we saw on the highlight videos. Bolded below are his 3-point shooting stats from E1T1 in EYBL last summer:
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