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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: If Brown can’t follow the rules as a consultant, we expect him to do so as an AC? That’s some weird logic there.
Try that in reverse.... If they won't hire Brown because theya re afraid he can't follow the rules as an AC, why would he be able to follow the rules as a consultant?
See how that logic falls right into your lap?
Either have nothing to do with him, or hire him in the capacity that the HC and LB want. It is stupid to say "we can't hire him as an AC because he might cheat" but then turn around and hire him as a consultant.
I agree the consultant role is dumb. Either give him the AC role or nothing. But I don’t agree that he would somehow break rules as a consultant that he wouldn’t break as an AC. I have seen many folks make that jump...I personally think it’s silly.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:22 PM)Julian Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:09 PM)450bench Wrote: Hiring Mitchell fits right in with the plan. If a kid wants to get to the NBA, who better to learn from than an NBA superstar, an NBA champion and an NBA tenured head coach and former player?
Speaks volumes for the players they are going to go after as well.
Madlock clearly is providing solid direction from a college coaching/rules perspective.
(04-16-2018 02:14 PM)tigertrails Wrote: This seems like a Larry Brown consultation move. Mitchell played for Brown and was one of his favorite players so maybe he referred Penny about the guy? Does this also hint that LB will take the consultant gig?
This all makes sense. Madlock/Hamilton to be the college experience anchors while the rest of the staff to be NBA stars/coaches/champions.
Players will be begging to come here for a chance to get into the NBA.
Penny will have plenty of help with the administrative part of the job. There won't be another staff in the country that could claim to put a kid in a better position to get to the NBA than Penny, Mike, and Sam.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:42 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: If Brown can’t follow the rules as a consultant, we expect him to do so as an AC? That’s some weird logic there.
Try that in reverse.... If they won't hire Brown because theya re afraid he can't follow the rules as an AC, why would he be able to follow the rules as a consultant?
See how that logic falls right into your lap?
Either have nothing to do with him, or hire him in the capacity that the HC and LB want. It is stupid to say "we can't hire him as an AC because he might cheat" but then turn around and hire him as a consultant.
I agree the consultant role is dumb. Either give him the AC role or nothing. But I don’t agree that he would somehow break rules as a consultant that he wouldn’t break as an AC. I have seen many folks make that jump...I personally think it’s silly.
Right. But I don't think that is what anyone is saying. I think they are saying the problems that he could cause as an AC he can also cause as a consultant. If you are worried about him causing problems then giving him a job with the school doesn't make sense. Either all or nothing, IMO.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:42 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:23 PM)tiger1016 Wrote: If Brown can’t follow the rules as a consultant, we expect him to do so as an AC? That’s some weird logic there.
Try that in reverse.... If they won't hire Brown because theya re afraid he can't follow the rules as an AC, why would he be able to follow the rules as a consultant?
See how that logic falls right into your lap?
Either have nothing to do with him, or hire him in the capacity that the HC and LB want. It is stupid to say "we can't hire him as an AC because he might cheat" but then turn around and hire him as a consultant.
I agree the consultant role is dumb. Either give him the AC role or nothing. But I don’t agree that he would somehow break rules as a consultant that he wouldn’t break as an AC. I have seen many folks make that jump...I personally think it’s silly.
Right. But I don't think that is what anyone is saying. I think they are saying the problems that he could cause as an AC he can also cause as a consultant. If you are worried about him causing problems then giving him a job with the school doesn't make sense. Either all or nothing, IMO.
Gotcha!
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
If it is Sam Mitchell, like it would have been if it was Brown but on a much higher level, the Memphis staff is aiming for the elite of the elite H.S. players.
‘If you want to be ready for the next level, who better to help develop your skill than this staff who has played, won and coached at that highest level in the NBA.
Even if the NBA one-n-done is eliminated soon and the elites can go straight to the NBA, then Memphis can still pitch to those second tier great players that may need some college experience that there’s no better place to get that development than Memphis
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:07 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote: I would be fine hiring Esposito on staff as well, not an assistant but one of the made up positions like Keelon had. Director of player development or some other made up name would work just fine.
Why would he do that when he's a candidate for HC jobs? At the least he'll be an assistant at a nice program. Also, he couldn't recruit which is his specialty.
Where is he a candidate for HC jobs? Also, his speciality is grinding, I wouldn't call his speciality recruiting considering he is pretty awful at it.
UTA interviewed him for the head gig.....made their final 4. Fetch a clue.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:07 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote: I would be fine hiring Esposito on staff as well, not an assistant but one of the made up positions like Keelon had. Director of player development or some other made up name would work just fine.
Why would he do that when he's a candidate for HC jobs? At the least he'll be an assistant at a nice program. Also, he couldn't recruit which is his specialty.
Where is he a candidate for HC jobs? Also, his speciality is grinding, I wouldn't call his speciality recruiting considering he is pretty awful at it.
Can't grind if you're not an assistant.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 03:08 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:07 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote: I would be fine hiring Esposito on staff as well, not an assistant but one of the made up positions like Keelon had. Director of player development or some other made up name would work just fine.
Why would he do that when he's a candidate for HC jobs? At the least he'll be an assistant at a nice program. Also, he couldn't recruit which is his specialty.
Where is he a candidate for HC jobs? Also, his speciality is grinding, I wouldn't call his speciality recruiting considering he is pretty awful at it.
Can't grind if you're not an assistant.
You realize that makes no sense at all?
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 03:20 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 03:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 03:08 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote: (04-16-2018 02:07 PM)TigerSeth Wrote: Why would he do that when he's a candidate for HC jobs? At the least he'll be an assistant at a nice program. Also, he couldn't recruit which is his specialty.
Where is he a candidate for HC jobs? Also, his speciality is grinding, I wouldn't call his speciality recruiting considering he is pretty awful at it.
Can't grind if you're not an assistant.
You realize that makes no sense at all?
Your post suggesting Esposito take a non assistant job is what makes no sense..Also, how can you grind if you can't hit the trial???
So you are saying the only possible way to grind in life is to be a college basketball assistant recruiting? So people who work 7 days a week at the local factory aren't grinding? People who are in the weight room every day preparing for the upcoming football season aren't grinding? etc.
He can grind in hundreds of different ways that have nothing to do with recruiting. And, I will state it again, while Joe worked his tail off, he is NOT a good recruiter. If he were, he would have some good recruits under his belt, when is the last time he signed a top 50 player?
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
Hard to go back to any of our X Head Coach's assistants.
It would be like breaking up with someone (not to mention being so happy to be free of him) but staying friends with his best friend. I'm not seeing Esposito as that great of a coach, to be honest.
But it's not my assistant. It's Penny's decision--in theory, anyway.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 03:38 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Hard to go back to any of our X Head Coach's assistants.
It would be like breaking up with someone (not to mention being so happy to be free of him) but staying friends with his best friend. I'm not seeing Esposito as that great of a coach, to be honest.
But it's not my assistant. It's Penny's decision--in theory, anyway.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't see him as a great coach either, I only see him as someone who works hard and knows all the rules. Which is why if someone announced him being hired on staff (non-assistant) I would be ok with it.
Also, I have to admit I felt sorry for Joe. I LOL at the Tub/Saul/Pooh firing, but Joe atleast tried really hard.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
What's Mr. Mississippi doing these days? Or even Chauncey Billups.....Calbert Chaney, Tommy Amaker
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
If Penny hires George Lynch as first chair.... Maybe LB signs as consultant
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
Read on the web, he was fired from the Minnesota Timberwolves because he played old school ball and the players requested a change. I guess it was sort of like Lionel Hollins when he coached the Grizzlies. That seems like a different philosophy from what Penny coaches and plans to run. It doesn't seem like a good fit at all.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 01:56 PM)MTiger14 Wrote: (04-16-2018 01:50 PM)80sTiger Wrote: I thought Penny needed someone with college HC experience to help him with "running the program" ?
I think that is why Hamilton was brought in as DOBO. He has experience handling all of the administrative/behind the scenes stuff at other D1 programs. I think (and hope) that the plan is for Dwight Boyd and Hamilton take some of those things off of his plate so that he can focus on recruiting and the on-the-floor product.
You hit it spot on....Hamilton and Boyd will handle all of that and more.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
(04-16-2018 05:06 PM)Rocko Wrote: Read on the web, he was fired from the Minnesota Timberwolves because he played old school ball and the players requested a change. I guess it was sort of like Lionel Hollins when he coached the Grizzlies. That seems like a different philosophy from what Penny coaches and plans to run. It doesn't seem like a good fit at all.
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He was an interim coach and usually interim coaches aren't retained. Heck, they hired Tom Thibodeau who's old school as well.
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RE: Sam Mitchell, ex-Raptors player, leading candidate for Lead Assistant
Sam Mitchell is another NO for me.
Not sure if he is a known enough commodity to attract the NBA crowd.
And we definitely don't need a guy that was fired for playing old school ball, aka Tubby 2.0 .
Not sure if Penny needs help recruiting, from the looks of things he does not.
Mike Miller is just getting started.
This is why Larry Brown was the perfect guy for the job.
A proven winner that hasn't forgotten anything about basketball.
X and o squared.
If no Brown, I'd get another name that kids recognize or a fantastic x and o guy(not sure who that would be).
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