"Everything I have now, coaching at a high school, coaching in travel ball and my education degree to having my teaching job, I owe to Eastern softball."

https://amp.hometownlife.com/amp/4921610...ssion=true

(04-14-2018 08:56 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  "Everything I have now, coaching at a high school, coaching in travel ball and my education degree to having my teaching job, I owe to Eastern softball."

https://amp.hometownlife.com/amp/4921610...ssion=true

Just stop, so many can say the same who did not play anything.


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(04-15-2018 01:43 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:56 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  "Everything I have now, coaching at a high school, coaching in travel ball and my education degree to having my teaching job, I owe to Eastern softball."

https://amp.hometownlife.com/amp/4921610...ssion=true

Just stop, so many can say the same who did not play anything.


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Correct many of us who never played a sport at EMU can say the same thing about the academic degree we got. Next.

More good PR for EMU.

(04-15-2018 12:59 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  More good PR for EMU.

Ugh!!

How many folks read the South Lyons paper vs. how many eye balls watched EMU vs. Army in FB or Watch EMU vs. TOL MBB (twice) on CBS Sports?

As we say in the D.C. area, this is all 'inside the Beltway stuff.'

Quite frankly this was a 24-hour story in S.E. Michigan and a non-story outside (of S.E. Michigan).

Don't know if it make the N.Y. Times, USA Today or Washington Post.

(04-15-2018 01:55 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:59 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  More good PR for EMU.

Ugh!!

How many folks read the South Lyons paper vs. how many eye balls watched EMU vs. Army in FB or Watch EMU vs. TOL MBB (twice) on CBS Sports?

As we say in the D.C. area, this is all 'inside the Beltway stuff.'

Quite frankly this was a 24-hour story in S.E. Michigan and a non-story outside (of S.E. Michigan).

Don't know if it make the N.Y. Times, USA Today or Washington Post.

You can't be serious.

Here is a short list of some of the media that has covered this.

Detroit Free Press
Detroit News
MLive
WRUF Gainesville
Sports Business Daily
Hustlebelt
Newburgh Gazette, IL
Inside Higher Ed
And yes, USA Today

The list goes on and on. Many of them contain statements pointing out how bad our football program has been. I didn't even touch on sport specific media outlets which have been pounding us.

I can just imagine what football coaches from other schools are telling kids CC is recruiting. "The school is in financial trouble. They break their promises. Don't trust them. Here read this Mom and Dad."

One piece of advice when debating EMU sports; don't ever bring up the number of people who actually watch our football and basketball team as if there's something good about it. We cover up substantial number of seats at both Rynearson and the Convo because nobody ever sits there. When we get a highlight play from a home game on national news it frequently comes with a snide remark like too bad nobody was there to see it.

(04-15-2018 12:59 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  More good PR for EMU.

Being spread further by YOU. You're going out of your way to share this stuff.

We know how you feel. No need to post every negative thing you read from each corner of the internet.

(04-15-2018 06:02 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:59 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  More good PR for EMU.

Being spread further by YOU. You're going out of your way to share this stuff.

We know how you feel. No need to post every negative thing you read from each corner of the internet.

What I write is highly pertinent. None of it originated with me. It is what is being discussed outside this small board.

(04-15-2018 05:26 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 01:55 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:59 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  More good PR for EMU.

Ugh!!

How many folks read the South Lyons paper vs. how many eye balls watched EMU vs. Army in FB or Watch EMU vs. TOL MBB (twice) on CBS Sports?

As we say in the D.C. area, this is all 'inside the Beltway stuff.'

Quite frankly this was a 24-hour story in S.E. Michigan and a non-story outside (of S.E. Michigan).

Don't know if it make the N.Y. Times, USA Today or Washington Post.

You can't be serious.

Here is a short list of some of the media that has covered this.

Detroit Free Press
Detroit News
MLive
WRUF Gainesville
Sports Business Daily
Hustlebelt
Newburgh Gazette, IL
Inside Higher Ed
And yes, USA Today

The list goes on and on. Many of them contain statements pointing out how bad our football program has been. I didn't even touch on sport specific media outlets which have been pounding us.

I can just imagine what football coaches from other schools are telling kids CC is recruiting. "The school is in financial trouble. They break their promises. Don't trust them. Here read this Mom and Dad."

One piece of advice when debating EMU sports; don't ever bring up the number of people who actually watch our football and basketball team as if there's something good about it. We cover up substantial number of seats at both Rynearson and the Convo because nobody ever sits there. When we get a highlight play from a home game on national news it frequently comes with a snide remark like too bad nobody was there to see it.

1). My point is that it was a 24-hour story. Not a recruiting issue.

2). As far as football and basketball I wasn't talking about home attendance. Butts in seats in the modern era represent a small fraction of eye balls watching an event. College and Pro sports are media events. If 65K watch a NFL game there might millions watching on TV.

When we play Purdue (FB), Kansas and Kentucky (MBB), there could be say 100K+ (WILD GUESS) viewers watching on television in the states where the events are being played.

99% of them probably never watched a collegiate wrestling, softball, etc. event.

I don't want to parrot BobW, but this is how a school gets publicity (case in point UMBC), get a bowl game, or even make the MAC semis for MBB, play big name opponents or teams with big followings (e.g.. Army, Purdue, Kansas, Kentucky, etc.).

We got more POSITIVE publicity for our Bahamas Bowl appearance than NEGATIVE publicity for dropping four sports.

You guys seriously gonna give this troll another 7 pages of back and forth as he continues whine and moan about irrelevant crap?

Fool me once shame on you, foot me twice..........

CMU 16 sports
WMU 15
EMU 15 after dropping the four

We are indeed on par with peer institutions. That is of course unless we follow the Bunsis idea of aligning ourselves with the Ferris and Grand Valley States. I seriously doubt that Dr. Bunsis would like to align his salary with those offered at those institutions however.

Steve is 100% correct, fan attendance has little to do with revenue generation. Basketball historically outdraws football at most universities as more games are played. Yet at most NCAA institutions football revenues are far larger. Using MSU as an example in 2015, the football program generated $51M in dollars while the more famous basketball team contributed just $7M. It is TV money plain and simple. Football supports most of the other athletic teams.

I don't think anyone on this site is rejoicing in the fact that we are dropping four sports and I am sure that we all detest the fact that some students feel betrayed by these actions. In the real world, however, enterprises are forced to make painful decisions that are best for their community as a whole and ensure its survival. Witness the recent GM layoffs at their Lordstown OH plant, where I am sure no executive felt giddy about performing. It was a business and survival decision only. The same applies to EMU.

(04-15-2018 09:40 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  You guys seriously gonna give this troll another 7 pages of back and forth as he continues whine and moan about irrelevant crap?

Fool me once shame on you, foot me twice..........

Tough you are 100% correct. My bad.

(04-15-2018 09:40 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  You guys seriously gonna give this troll another 7 pages of back and forth as he continues whine and moan about irrelevant crap?

Fool me once shame on you, foot me twice..........

And I thought it was millennials who were snowflakes.

(04-15-2018 09:44 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  CMU 16 sports
WMU 15
EMU 15 after dropping the four

We are indeed on par with peer institutions. That is of course unless we follow the Bunsis idea of aligning ourselves with the Ferris and Grand Valley States. I seriously doubt that Dr. Bunsis would like to align his salary with those offered at those institutions however.

Steve is 100% correct, fan attendance has little to do with revenue generation. Basketball historically outdraws football at most universities as more games are played. Yet at most NCAA institutions football revenues are far larger. Using MSU as an example in 2015, the football program generated $51M in dollars while the more famous basketball team contributed just $7M. It is TV money plain and simple. Football supports most of the other athletic teams.

I don't think anyone on this site is rejoicing in the fact that we are dropping four sports and I am sure that we all detest the fact that some students feel betrayed by these actions. In the real world, however, enterprises are forced to make painful decisions that are best for their community as a whole and ensure its survival. Witness the recent GM layoffs at their Lordstown OH plant, where I am sure no executive felt giddy about performing. It was a business and survival decision only. The same applies to EMU.

College sports are not at all like the "real world.". If we applied business standards to collegiate sports, there would be no women sports except for a few basketball teams. Football and men's basketball would be played at a small fraction of the schools. There might be a few baseball and hockey teams.

At the schools who still played football, the highest paid people would be the star players, not the coach and athletic director. The players bring in the money, not the coaches.

The MAC would not exist. EMU students and alumni would be uofm fans. For many of them, nothing would change.