Plus let's not pretend that Penny has no experience with violations. The TSSAA already went after him for violations regarding recruiting players from other schools where they had a "prior link." Heck, when he was a student on campus he was driving around in a brand new car that was provided for him.

The NCAA enjoys busting Memphis. Hiring Larry Brown would just give them more reason to keep sniffing around the doors.

(04-14-2018 01:59 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  To emphasize my point I wanted to create one thread title that doesn’t at first glance seem to be showing the casual visitor we have no ethics and have lost our minds. Some just glance at thread titles to get a sense of the community and don’t have time to read it all. I want it clear to outsiders we are not all so desperate for attendance money and perfect records that we would agree to invite cheating scandals. By “inviting LB here”, I meant to be an assistant coach here, by the way. (I can’t edit the thread title now unfortunately.)

I havent been able to come in here in a long time due to health issues and became alarmed looking at thread titles that in the interim people had lost their minds and decided we “need” to risk having any future wins vacated after an inevitable cheating investigation that would certainly come right after hiring him. I see in the initial post of some threads a default position that the preference would be to have him here if somebody wasn’t preventing it. (Thank god if someone sane in the administration *is* preventing it.) None of this should be needed to say. It is a no brainer.

Some actually want to invite an investigation here during an current major FBI probe of top NCAA teams? We must not forget our past history that no one else outside our school has forgotten with vacated championships and Calipari and Dana Kirk. We should want people to think of Bartow, Finch, and our non scandal days when they think of Penny, keep his name clean.

LB would be a fabulous idea if he hadn’t had a career that included NCAA investigations and sanctions of his last teams at Kansas and SMU. But unfortunately he’s got that history and it assures he will be scrutinized intensely in any NCAA coaching. We need to maintain high standards rather than demonstrate we have none other than wanting to win. Any advancements and championships we win will be lost and vacated if we wind up in a scandal and we will be a bigger laughing stock than we are by having a past low attendance problem.

Just find someone to help who can do it without inviting scandal! It’s not impossible. It’s being lazy to only look to the easy dark side path. And the consequences to making mistake like that are to lose everything you thought you were gaining. Not worth it! It’s a bad look for the school and adds baggage we don’t need. It doesn’t help Brown either. He needs to try to go out with some dignity and he won’t gain that by inviting scandal. If he wants to work in basketball in his twilight years for some reason (given he doesn’t need the money) he should stick with the NBA and avoid the NCAA.

Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it.

You make good points, but the NCAA will put us under the microscope regardless of hiring LB because we threaten the entrenched powers. Remember, we got nailed for a newly invented "strict liability" standard while UNC got away with academic fraud.

The key is scrupulous compliance with NCAA rules (although it means we will lose some players) and LB is just another item on the watch list.

It is likely a moot issue now based on the CA article; but we should never let the NCAA dictate our coaching hires.

(04-14-2018 01:59 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  To emphasize my point I wanted to create one thread title that doesn’t at first glance seem to be showing the casual visitor we have no ethics and have lost our minds. Some just glance at thread titles to get a sense of the community and don’t have time to read it all. I want it clear to outsiders we are not all so desperate for attendance money and perfect records that we would agree to invite cheating scandals. By “inviting LB here”, I meant to be an assistant coach here, by the way. (I can’t edit the thread title now unfortunately.)

I havent been able to come in here in a long time due to health issues and became alarmed looking at thread titles that in the interim people had lost their minds and decided we “need” to risk having any future wins vacated after an inevitable cheating investigation that would certainly come right after hiring him. I see in the initial post of some threads a default position that the preference would be to have him here if somebody wasn’t preventing it. (Thank god if someone sane in the administration *is* preventing it.) None of this should be needed to say. It is a no brainer.

Some actually want to invite an investigation here during an current major FBI probe of top NCAA teams? We must not forget our past history that no one else outside our school has forgotten with vacated championships and Calipari and Dana Kirk. We should want people to think of Bartow, Finch, and our non scandal days when they think of Penny, keep his name clean.

LB would be a fabulous idea if he hadn’t had a career that included NCAA investigations and sanctions of his last teams at Kansas and SMU. But unfortunately he’s got that history and it assures he will be scrutinized intensely in any NCAA coaching. We need to maintain high standards rather than demonstrate we have none other than wanting to win. Any advancements and championships we win will be lost and vacated if we wind up in a scandal and we will be a bigger laughing stock than we are by having a past low attendance problem.

Just find someone to help who can do it without inviting scandal! It’s not impossible. It’s being lazy to only look to the easy dark side path. And the consequences to making mistake like that are to lose everything you thought you were gaining. Not worth it! It’s a bad look for the school and adds baggage we don’t need. It doesn’t help Brown either. He needs to try to go out with some dignity and he won’t gain that by inviting scandal. If he wants to work in basketball in his twilight years for some reason (given he doesn’t need the money) he should stick with the NBA and avoid the NCAA.

Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it.

Maybe, we could have an intelligent conversation about this subject . A few posters in this thread appear unable to do that.

I agree that there are big concerns with hiring Brown. I agree that it is a risk that LB will draw NCAA attention that we do not want. As you pointed out, it is our history with the NCAA which makes hiring Brown a mistake (possibly). We have cheated in the past. For some reason, the NCAA holds us to an EXTREMELY HIGH STANDARD. We are the 'strict liability'program. It is for these reasons I never really was big on the idea of hiring bruce pearle. Theoretically, we should avoid at all costs any coach with these types of a track record.
However, I am extremely tempted to hire Brown. I cannot think of a more qualified/overqualified asst. coach candidate on the planet than LB. Hiring him would not be 'lazy' or 'the easy dark side path.' (Again, you are correct the man has a history of multiple NCAA sanctions.) There is a ton of basketball substance and knowledge with LB. We are also talking a history of leading great ncaa and NBA teams for several DECADES. It would be most unfair to say he achieved all of that by cheating. He is one helluva coach to say the least.
In the end , you are probably correct. we should not hire LB. But , I am MOST TEMPTED.

(04-14-2018 08:49 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 01:59 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  To emphasize my point I wanted to create one thread title that doesn’t at first glance seem to be showing the casual visitor we have no ethics and have lost our minds. Some just glance at thread titles to get a sense of the community and don’t have time to read it all. I want it clear to outsiders we are not all so desperate for attendance money and perfect records that we would agree to invite cheating scandals. By “inviting LB here”, I meant to be an assistant coach here, by the way. (I can’t edit the thread title now unfortunately.)

I havent been able to come in here in a long time due to health issues and became alarmed looking at thread titles that in the interim people had lost their minds and decided we “need” to risk having any future wins vacated after an inevitable cheating investigation that would certainly come right after hiring him. I see in the initial post of some threads a default position that the preference would be to have him here if somebody wasn’t preventing it. (Thank god if someone sane in the administration *is* preventing it.) None of this should be needed to say. It is a no brainer.

Some actually want to invite an investigation here during an current major FBI probe of top NCAA teams? We must not forget our past history that no one else outside our school has forgotten with vacated championships and Calipari and Dana Kirk. We should want people to think of Bartow, Finch, and our non scandal days when they think of Penny, keep his name clean.

LB would be a fabulous idea if he hadn’t had a career that included NCAA investigations and sanctions of his last teams at Kansas and SMU. But unfortunately he’s got that history and it assures he will be scrutinized intensely in any NCAA coaching. We need to maintain high standards rather than demonstrate we have none other than wanting to win. Any advancements and championships we win will be lost and vacated if we wind up in a scandal and we will be a bigger laughing stock than we are by having a past low attendance problem.

Just find someone to help who can do it without inviting scandal! It’s not impossible. It’s being lazy to only look to the easy dark side path. And the consequences to making mistake like that are to lose everything you thought you were gaining. Not worth it! It’s a bad look for the school and adds baggage we don’t need. It doesn’t help Brown either. He needs to try to go out with some dignity and he won’t gain that by inviting scandal. If he wants to work in basketball in his twilight years for some reason (given he doesn’t need the money) he should stick with the NBA and avoid the NCAA.

Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it.

Maybe, we could have an intelligent conversation about this subject . A few posters in this thread appear unable to do that.

I agree that there are big concerns with hiring Brown. I agree that it is a risk that LB will draw NCAA attention that we do not want. As you pointed out, it is our history with the NCAA which makes hiring Brown a mistake (possibly). We have cheated in the past. For some reason, the NCAA holds us to an EXTREMELY HIGH STANDARD. We are the 'strict liability'program. It is for these reasons I never really was big on the idea of hiring bruce pearle. Theoretically, we should avoid at all costs any coach with these types of a track record.
However, I am extremely tempted to hire Brown. I cannot think of a more qualified/overqualified asst. coach candidate on the planet than LB. Hiring him would not be 'lazy' or 'the easy dark side path.' (Again, you are correct the man has a history of multiple NCAA sanctions.) There is a ton of basketball substance and knowledge with LB. We are also talking a history of leading great ncaa and NBA teams for several DECADES. It would be most unfair to say he achieved all of that by cheating. He is one helluva coach to say the least.
In the end , you are probably correct. we should not hire LB. But , I am MOST TEMPTED.

Excellent post Roachman48, well stated +3.

(04-14-2018 08:16 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  NCAA is already here asking questions, poking around and that’s without Larry on the staff

link?

Yeah, seriously. They looked at Saul Smith's phone records...and found nothing.

The NCAA has to have a reason to start an investigation.

(04-14-2018 07:56 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 06:50 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:13 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:06 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  You said "Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it."

that would require Penny cheating.

The entire point is that Brown has BAGGAGE of ethics investigations while coaching. The thread was about BROWN and what BROWN would do and perceptions of Brown. Stop changing the subject. Bringing BROWN here invites heightened scrutiny due to his past history. Penny has no rep for that yet. Inviting Brown shows poor judgment and a willingness to relax standards by ignoring Brown’s past violations, which Penny might like to do but which the FBI, which has a long memory, wont. Nor will blue chip recruits and the rest of the country.

Play word games all you like to try to distract from what I’m saying.

What would Brown do as an AC to cause Penny problems?

Good Lord, How plain can she make it without drawing you pictures?
Penny is clean and we want to keep it that way. Brown would invite serious inquiries into our program merely by being involved with our program. This is especially true with all of the current investigations going on and the past history of Brown. How clear can it be ?

Good lord, it is a silly argument...

If you are submerged in a swimming pool and I spray the swimming pool with a waterhose, are you more wet?

We have two ex AAU coaches on our team, reports of NCAA already snooping around, how can we get more wet?

WET is not the problem in your scenario. Drowning is.

(04-14-2018 08:16 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  NCAA is already here asking questions, poking around and that’s without Larry on the staff

link?

Last week on his radio show, Calkins said according to Penny camp the NCAA was already in town asking questions. Said this to the point that we already have a reputation right or wrong and we can’t really change that and so the administration needs to quit trying to ‘prove’ something, so hire Larry Brown and quit worrying how other power 5 schools look down on Memphis. It is what it is

(04-14-2018 09:27 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:16 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  NCAA is already here asking questions, poking around and that’s without Larry on the staff

link?

Last week on his radio show, Calkins said according to Penny camp the NCAA was already in town asking questions. Said this to the point that we already have a reputation right or wrong and we can’t really change that and so the administration needs to quit trying to ‘prove’ something, so hire Larry Brown and quit worrying how other power 5 schools look down on Memphis. It is what it is

So 3rd hand?

This BS needs to stop.
Whatever our violations have been in the past, they are NOTHING compared to North Car., Duke, Miami, Penn St., and several others that got off scott-free, or close to it.

I hope and pray that after the FBI probe, the NCAA and the P5 offenders find out what true violations are.

(04-14-2018 09:30 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 09:27 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:16 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  NCAA is already here asking questions, poking around and that’s without Larry on the staff

link?

Last week on his radio show, Calkins said according to Penny camp the NCAA was already in town asking questions. Said this to the point that we already have a reputation right or wrong and we can’t really change that and so the administration needs to quit trying to ‘prove’ something, so hire Larry Brown and quit worrying how other power 5 schools look down on Memphis. It is what it is

So 3rd hand?

I doubt Penny people would not verify that the NCAA was really snooping around. They have an vested interest in such things. I wouldn’t put it beyond the realm of possibility that the TSAA called the NCAA once Penny got hire at Memphis since there’s some bad blood there

Apparently it isn't up to us anyway so why do we keep talking about it ?

(04-14-2018 02:53 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  I like Penny and want his reputation to stay clean for his sake and ours. Hiring Brown is not the path to doing so. It shows poor judgment to even consider Brown during an FBI probe, whoever came up with the idea.

Penny came up with idea. This is really where I take issue. The administration didn't tell Tubby who to hire or not hire, so why are they telling Penny? The NCAA has cleared Brown to coach. Penny has already solved the financial and recruiting problems in just 25 days. Trust him to make his own hires.

As Bill Parcells once said, "If you're hiring me to cook the meal, you've got to let me shop for the groceries."

Lots of speculation and innuendo in this thread.
Nobody in here has any influence on decisions made by Penny or Admin but I guess talking about everything that might go on is what makes talk radio successful. Sell the fear.
Fans bailed on this program like lemmings running from a prairie fire.
Now many have opinions on how Penny should run his program. Funny but no problem.
A very small number of us kept coming to games even though in my case I always thought Tubby was a bad hire. Coaches change but the program is eternal.

So for my thinking;
I would never endorse cheating. The university to me is bigger than sports.
Penny is smarter and more savvy than many give him credit.
Penny is here out of love for the Tigers and city but he is ferociously competitive.
Penny is very successful. He at times takes calculated risks. He is very loyal. He has high expectations of those that play or work for him. He will make mistakes but not deadly ones.
Admin will not allow LB in as an assistant. Other good choices are out there.
Penny has done a great job of putting his stamp on the program, hiring a staff, recruiting, selling the program.
He is a tireless worker and understands recruiting in 2018 in contrast to the past two years.
TSSAA is more bark than bite. Secrecy and inconsistent application of outdated rules render them less effective. If they have taken it on themselves to report suspicions about Penny then they are showing themselves to be petty and disconnected.
‘If” the NCAA is already sniffing around Memphis based solely on Penny being hired then the last iota of integrity is gone. If P5 presidents deem it to be the NCAA can be waived into oblivion.

Don’t waste time worrying. Enjoy the ride. Penny is not Cal and he is not Kirk. He can’t change the history they created but he also should not be limited by it either.

(04-14-2018 01:59 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  To emphasize my point I wanted to create one thread title that doesn’t at first glance seem to be showing the casual visitor we have no ethics and have lost our minds. Some just glance at thread titles to get a sense of the community and don’t have time to read it all. I want it clear to outsiders we are not all so desperate for attendance money and perfect records that we would agree to invite cheating scandals. By “inviting LB here”, I meant to be an assistant coach here, by the way. (I can’t edit the thread title now unfortunately.)

I havent been able to come in here in a long time due to health issues and became alarmed looking at thread titles that in the interim people had lost their minds and decided we “need” to risk having any future wins vacated after an inevitable cheating investigation that would certainly come right after hiring him. I see in the initial post of some threads a default position that the preference would be to have him here if somebody wasn’t preventing it. (Thank god if someone sane in the administration *is* preventing it.) None of this should be needed to say. It is a no brainer.

Some actually want to invite an investigation here during an current major FBI probe of top NCAA teams? We must not forget our past history that no one else outside our school has forgotten with vacated championships and Calipari and Dana Kirk. We should want people to think of Bartow, Finch, and our non scandal days when they think of Penny, keep his name clean.

LB would be a fabulous idea if he hadn’t had a career that included NCAA investigations and sanctions of his last teams at Kansas and SMU. But unfortunately he’s got that history and it assures he will be scrutinized intensely in any NCAA coaching. We need to maintain high standards rather than demonstrate we have none other than wanting to win. Any advancements and championships we win will be lost and vacated if we wind up in a scandal and we will be a bigger laughing stock than we are by having a past low attendance problem.

Just find someone to help who can do it without inviting scandal! It’s not impossible. It’s being lazy to only look to the easy dark side path. And the consequences to making mistake like that are to lose everything you thought you were gaining. Not worth it! It’s a bad look for the school and adds baggage we don’t need. It doesn’t help Brown either. He needs to try to go out with some dignity and he won’t gain that by inviting scandal. If he wants to work in basketball in his twilight years for some reason (given he doesn’t need the money) he should stick with the NBA and avoid the NCAA.

Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it.

Since you want to bring it up neither of those coaching examples you used committed violations which led to vacated seasons.

Under Kirk we were penalized because the financial aid office over paid PELL grants to the athletes. Something the coaching staff did not control.

Under the ******* we were penalized because the testing center invalidated a test because they did not get an answer to three letters they sent to the WRONG ADDRESS and could not prove the player even received. Again nothing the coach had any control over. The only COACH who violated any NCAA rules was the Women's golf coach.

(04-14-2018 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:06 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:53 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:06 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Why do you have such a low opinion of Penny and think he is a cheater?

I wrote very clearly about LB, not Penny. Either you didn’t read it or willfully tried to change what I said in order to promote your point of view about Brown. Very slick and oily way of approaching me, and to be expected by someone trying to promote an unethical direction if you support dragging Brown here.

I said Penny doesn’t yet have any baggage and doesn’t need Brown’s. Brown doesn’t need the hassle either.

I like Penny and want his reputation to stay clean for his sake and ours. Hiring Brown is not the path to doing so. It shows poor judgment to even consider Brown during an FBI probe, whoever came up with the idea.

You said "Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it."

that would require Penny cheating.

The entire point is that Brown has BAGGAGE of ethics investigations while coaching. The thread was about BROWN and what BROWN would do and perceptions of Brown. Stop changing the subject. Bringing BROWN here invites heightened scrutiny due to his past history. Penny has no rep for that yet. Inviting Brown shows poor judgment and a willingness to relax standards by ignoring Brown’s past violations, which Penny might like to do but which the FBI, which has a long memory, wont. Nor will blue chip recruits and the rest of the country.

Play word games all you like to try to distract from what I’m saying.

It is not word games, he is merely taking your statement to your statement/position to its logical end.

Brown simply coming on staff as an assistant or consultant is not an NCAA violation. It is highly unlikely that Brown comes in and cheats or break rules that Penny would not be aware of.

Brown is only problematic if Penny is okay with cheating and breaking rules and quite frankly if Penny is okay with that then he will be doing it with his other assistants whether Brown is here or not.

In saying that, I do not believe at all that Penny will fall into that class of coach. I think he will build this program the right way. And because of that I have no qualms at all with him bringing Brown on because I have faith in our coach to keep his staff under control...

But in a post just above yours someone points out that LB was never punished directly for issues that happened at SMU while he wad head coach. It is also known that Brown has issues at many stops and the schools he coaches at end up with NCAA sanctions. So how is it expected that Penny, as a brand new head coach can keep track of everything his assistants may or may not do if an experienced coach such as Larry Brown could not keep track of his assistants at 3 different schools?

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(04-14-2018 03:06 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:53 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:06 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Why do you have such a low opinion of Penny and think he is a cheater?

I wrote very clearly about LB, not Penny. Either you didn’t read it or willfully tried to change what I said in order to promote your point of view about Brown. Very slick and oily way of approaching me, and to be expected by someone trying to promote an unethical direction if you support dragging Brown here.

I said Penny doesn’t yet have any baggage and doesn’t need Brown’s. Brown doesn’t need the hassle either.

I like Penny and want his reputation to stay clean for his sake and ours. Hiring Brown is not the path to doing so. It shows poor judgment to even consider Brown during an FBI probe, whoever came up with the idea.

You said "Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it."

that would require Penny cheating.

The entire point is that Brown has BAGGAGE of ethics investigations while coaching. The thread was about BROWN and what BROWN would do and perceptions of Brown. Stop changing the subject. Bringing BROWN here invites heightened scrutiny due to his past history. Penny has no rep for that yet. Inviting Brown shows poor judgment and a willingness to relax standards by ignoring Brown’s past violations, which Penny might like to do but which the FBI, which has a long memory, wont. Nor will blue chip recruits and the rest of the country.

Play word games all you like to try to distract from what I’m saying.

If you want to be totally honest, if you think the NCAA is not already watching Penny very closely then you are delusional.

The TSSAA has already gone after Penny and will most likely hit East with violations as soon as the court order is lifted.

The NCAA will keep an eye on him partially due to that and the fact he had prior relationships with so many players through the AAU team he sponsored.

Not saying that he will commit violations, but if your fear is that the NCAA is going to watch the program closely if we hire LB then it is too late. That is already going to happen. We are already on their radar. Once we start taking talent away from the top schools we will be even more.

So you do not have to hire Brown in order to have the NCAA watching Penny closely, as they already are.

(04-14-2018 11:05 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:06 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 03:00 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:53 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 02:06 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Why do you have such a low opinion of Penny and think he is a cheater?

I wrote very clearly about LB, not Penny. Either you didn’t read it or willfully tried to change what I said in order to promote your point of view about Brown. Very slick and oily way of approaching me, and to be expected by someone trying to promote an unethical direction if you support dragging Brown here.

I said Penny doesn’t yet have any baggage and doesn’t need Brown’s. Brown doesn’t need the hassle either.

I like Penny and want his reputation to stay clean for his sake and ours. Hiring Brown is not the path to doing so. It shows poor judgment to even consider Brown during an FBI probe, whoever came up with the idea.

You said "Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it."

that would require Penny cheating.

The entire point is that Brown has BAGGAGE of ethics investigations while coaching. The thread was about BROWN and what BROWN would do and perceptions of Brown. Stop changing the subject. Bringing BROWN here invites heightened scrutiny due to his past history. Penny has no rep for that yet. Inviting Brown shows poor judgment and a willingness to relax standards by ignoring Brown’s past violations, which Penny might like to do but which the FBI, which has a long memory, wont. Nor will blue chip recruits and the rest of the country.

Play word games all you like to try to distract from what I’m saying.

If you want to be totally honest, if you think the NCAA is not already watching Penny very closely then you are delusional.

The TSSAA has already gone after Penny and will most likely hit East with violations as soon as the court order is lifted.

The NCAA will keep an eye on him partially due to that and the fact he had prior relationships with so many players through the AAU team he sponsored.

Not saying that he will commit violations, but if your fear is that the NCAA is going to watch the program closely if we hire LB then it is too late. That is already going to happen. We are already on their radar. Once we start taking talent away from the top schools we will be even more.

So you do not have to hire Brown in order to have the NCAA watching Penny closely, as they already are.

Also throw in there the Nike connection with Penny. Considering the FBI is targeting shoe reps, yeah we will be watched like a hawk. LB won't add to what is already happening. Just don't cheat. That is the most important thing and I am certain LB knows it.

Larry Brown had two violations 30 + years ago,the first was at UCLA who had been cheating for years and Larry took the fall for their booster dude, the second of which involved $300 plane ticket for Vincent Askew to get home to his grandmother who was sick, and the one at SMU was a secretary who watched a players son during practice because they were having a relationship took it upon herself to do some of his homework online.

Larry knew nothing about the coursework online.

During Pastner's time here, we had a tutor that did half the team's work.

It happens.

A lot.

It is silly to accuse Larry Brown of being some violation waiting to happen.

In fact, it's stupid.

(04-14-2018 01:59 AM)HoopsGal Wrote:  To emphasize my point I wanted to create one thread title that doesn’t at first glance seem to be showing the casual visitor we have no ethics and have lost our minds. Some just glance at thread titles to get a sense of the community and don’t have time to read it all. I want it clear to outsiders we are not all so desperate for attendance money and perfect records that we would agree to invite cheating scandals. By “inviting LB here”, I meant to be an assistant coach here, by the way. (I can’t edit the thread title now unfortunately.)

I havent been able to come in here in a long time due to health issues and became alarmed looking at thread titles that in the interim people had lost their minds and decided we “need” to risk having any future wins vacated after an inevitable cheating investigation that would certainly come right after hiring him. I see in the initial post of some threads a default position that the preference would be to have him here if somebody wasn’t preventing it. (Thank god if someone sane in the administration *is* preventing it.) None of this should be needed to say. It is a no brainer.

Some actually want to invite an investigation here during an current major FBI probe of top NCAA teams? We must not forget our past history that no one else outside our school has forgotten with vacated championships and Calipari and Dana Kirk. We should want people to think of Bartow, Finch, and our non scandal days when they think of Penny, keep his name clean.

LB would be a fabulous idea if he hadn’t had a career that included NCAA investigations and sanctions of his last teams at Kansas and SMU. But unfortunately he’s got that history and it assures he will be scrutinized intensely in any NCAA coaching. We need to maintain high standards rather than demonstrate we have none other than wanting to win. Any advancements and championships we win will be lost and vacated if we wind up in a scandal and we will be a bigger laughing stock than we are by having a past low attendance problem.

Just find someone to help who can do it without inviting scandal! It’s not impossible. It’s being lazy to only look to the easy dark side path. And the consequences to making mistake like that are to lose everything you thought you were gaining. Not worth it! It’s a bad look for the school and adds baggage we don’t need. It doesn’t help Brown either. He needs to try to go out with some dignity and he won’t gain that by inviting scandal. If he wants to work in basketball in his twilight years for some reason (given he doesn’t need the money) he should stick with the NBA and avoid the NCAA.

Please don’t beg for vacated championships, baggage, and recruiting violations! Steer the ship clear of that. Penny doesn’t yet have any of that and the school needs to stay clear of it.

The FACT that your posts assume; attack and speculate are asinine

LB is okay'd to be the Head Coach of ANY NCAA institution....Not ONLY that, he was offered a contract by SMU to continue as head coach there but turned the offer down..... Larry Brown is revered by NBA and college professionals alike and has HOF cred....He has a reputation to uphold; could be a mentor to help guide " misguided" youth to a more productive/promising future! The city of MEMPHIS desperately needs as MANY mentors as it can hold, as well as Coach Penny sees immense value in the wisdom; knowledge and insight of Coach Brown.....The fact that LB can inform and instruct what NOT to do is invaluable in itself...

Of prominent basketball coaches, which do your revere? Self;R. Williams; Coach K; Pearl; Wooten; Calipari; Izzo; Boeheim? Well, NONE of these leaders are beyond reproach!

The tone that you spew with emanates a "personal" vindictive note....there is no reason to judge....Even "Mr. Clean Jean" Pastner is currently mired in scandal.....whether a percent or all or even none may be factual....Whom are WE to judge?


Don't buy in to the rhetoric that this is negative press....Memphis basketball has NOT been relevant for almost a decade! Now with the assistance of coach Hardaway; Nike; and assemblance of a potent staff....the basketball world is shocked, as this was Unfathomable months prior. No one could see The TUBB being drained after ONLY two seasons.....


But a new regime has taken over and taken off! These times are extremely exciting and Coach Hardaway is @ the helm....Support his vision, that's why he's a legend, legends make legendary moments in their existence.... It's NOT always concise to those of us whom do not possess this gift....

Peace and blessings to you and your health....thank you for chiming in.....Judge NOT, lest ye be judged

(04-14-2018 11:13 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Larry Brown had two violations 30 + years ago,the first was at UCLA who had been cheating for years and Larry took the fall for their booster dude, the second of which involved $300 plane ticket for Vincent Askew to get home to his grandmother who was sick, and the one at SMU was a secretary who watched a players son during practice because they were having a relationship took it upon herself to do some of his homework online.

Larry knew nothing about the coursework online.

During Pastner's time here, we had a tutor that did half the team's work.

It happens.

A lot.

It is silly to accuse Larry Brown of being some violation waiting to happen.

In fact, it's stupid.

Some of the people posting in this thread appear to be paranoid to the point of delusion. +3