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Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
Two of the biggest knocks against the Big XII Conference Championship Game are
1. Because of the round-robin, it will ALWAYS be a rematch
2. Since there are no divisions, there is a good chance for a rematch of the final week of the season.
Well, there's nothing that can be done about #1 unless the conference expands to 12 or more, but #2 can certainly be fixed easily, and with other benefits as well...
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In Rx: Better Big XII CCG I give a plan for how the league could play a non-conference game in the final week to 100% guarantee no back-to-back rematches. It wouldn't be as hard as it sounds, either (and some of the match-ups would be VERY appealing to TV, as well as to the OOC opponents!). Here is my proposal:

New Big XII "Rivalry Week"
WVU - Pitt
OSU - Miami
TCU - USC/Stanford
ISU - Iowa
OU - Nebraska
Texas - Texas A&M
Kansas - Missouri
Baylor - BYU
Texas Tech - Utah
Kansas St - Colorado

Five of those games are "must see TV" (at least regionally). The other five involve teams which really wouldn't have anyone better to play and, at least, they're good games.

What do you guys think? Is it feasible? Desirable? or just Crazy? Better yet, why isn't the Big XII doing this already???
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
Nowhere close to feasible and some of those aren't even rivalry matchups.
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Kansas vs Missouri must see TV? You've got to be kidding
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(04-11-2018 06:00 AM)otown Wrote:  Kansas vs Missouri must see TV? You've got to be kidding

In Kansas and Missouri, sure.
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(04-11-2018 04:48 AM)Mav Wrote:  Nowhere close to feasible and some of those aren't even rivalry matchups.

Why isn't it feasible?

Yes, I know they aren't all rivalries - but some are HUGE rivalries, and none of those games are absolute dogs, IMO.
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(04-11-2018 03:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What do you guys think? Is it feasible? Desirable? or just Crazy? Better yet, why isn't the Big XII doing this already???

Good luck getting all those OOC Power teams to change their schedules to accomodate this Big 12 rivalry week. 07-coffee3
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.
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(04-11-2018 06:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 03:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What do you guys think? Is it feasible? Desirable? or just Crazy? Better yet, why isn't the Big XII doing this already???

Good luck getting all those OOC Power teams to change their schedules to accomodate this Big 12 rivalry week. 07-coffee3

That's probably the "why not", although I do think Pitt (WVU), Nebraska (Oklahoma), Texas A&M (Texas) and Missouri (Kansas) would all be interested in this. If Nebraska and Iowa both did it, that would allow the Big Ten schedule to remain balanced. So would Texas A&M / Missouri for the SEC. I also think Miami would probably like a reliable P5 OOC game too. The rest would have to be negotiated more carefully...
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(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?
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For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

They can easily grab BYU as a football-only member and Cincinnati as a full member. They get to keep round-robin in men's basketball, add a geographic rival/travel partner for West Virginia, and get to add to quality academic and athletic institutions to Big 12 membership.
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(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.

The easiest decision for two schools to add would be Central Florida and South Florida: travel partners, rivals, growing markets, solid football programs, good recruiting, etc.
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(04-11-2018 09:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.

The easiest decision for two schools to add would be Central Florida and South Florida: travel partners, rivals, growing markets, solid football programs, good recruiting, etc.

Sign me up for that. 04-cheers
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(04-11-2018 09:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.

The easiest decision for two schools to add would be Central Florida and South Florida: travel partners, rivals, growing markets, solid football programs, good recruiting, etc.
That would not be a bad idea at all.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
The B12 may need to think about not continuing to rely on other P5 conferences to accommodate their structural practices and stop being dependant on external validation.

If the B12's playoff format is not as adequate as desired, and their depth of available rivalries are weak, then expand. The won't, because it is about having their cake and eating it to.

They are "10", and that number needs to be taken into consideration as they expect equity with the other larger P5 outfits and their options and fiscal opportunities.
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(04-11-2018 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.

Wouldn't it be easier to just accept that the ten team concept can cause some issues but it is better than watering down our TV contract for two more mouths to feed?
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What the Big 12 really needs is a time machine.

They should have taken the Metro trio of Cincinnati, Louisville and Memphis when they had the chance, and left the ACC to choose between WVU and UConn for their 14th school.
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(04-11-2018 10:47 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  For the Big 12, if this was truly an issue, instead of arranging ten out-of-conference power programs to schedule annual "rivalry" games for the last week of the season, wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

You hit the nail, it's not really a big issue. So this would be like me saying "if we're truly interested in getting rid of those two or three silverfish in the bathroom, shouldn't we just burn the house down"?

The cost of the remedy would exponentially exceed the cost of the "problem" itself.

Truth is, while many have screamed about "Oh no! Rematch!" there's not much evidence that rematches are a big deal. IIRC, this year's SEC title game, which was a rematch, was the most-watched game of the college football regular season.

Wouldn't it be easier to just accept that the ten team concept can cause some issues but it is better than watering down our TV contract for two more mouths to feed?

I think that is exactly what the Big 12 has done.
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(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.
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It's not what they should do, it's what they should have done. When they lost four teams they should have added TCU, WVU, Louisville and Cincy. WVU isn't on an island, they have two divisions, strong FB and BBall and a pretty stable conference. BUT they didn't have any foresight and thought they could take their time and a valuable piece was taken off the board while they got greedy. They could have had the three best FB programs from a BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference program while strengthening rivalries and solidifying BBall as the best in the nation.
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