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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 11:11 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
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(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.

What you need is a third party to approach both with a load of cash to do it as a neutral site game. The Advocare Kickoff Game in Houston's NRG Stadium would be an excellent potential host---as would Jerryworld. A third party prevents either Aggie or Longhorn from having to "approach" the other. Both are just saying yes to a crap load of money.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:11 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.

What you need is a third party to approach both with a load of cash to do it as a neutral site game. The Advocare Kickoff Game in Houston's NRG Stadium would be an excellent potential host---as would Jerryworld. A third party prevents either Aggie or Longhorn from having to "approach" the other. Both are just saying yes to a crap load of money.

I remember the owner of the Texas Motor Speedway talking about having the game there after he watched the Bristol game, but I don't think it would be that feasible having the fans relatively far away from the action - and only on one side of the field as well. If he somehow was able to get that set up he'd get the largest attendance for any college game ever I'm sure. The speedway holds like 200,000 if I remember correctly.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
Something like that will probably be how it restarts i.e. Like at Jerry World, but again, it's at least a couple decades off at this point.

Probably not as long as the 40 year hiatus between Auburn and Bama but long enough for all the current big money boosters on both sides to die off
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(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  wouldn't it be easier to just invite two new schools to guarantee the elimination of a potential CCG rematch?

That doesn't work. You would still have to play 3-4 teams from the other division. There is a high probability you will have to play one of them again in the CCG.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 11:47 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  It's not what they should do, it's what they should have done. When they lost four teams they should have added TCU, WVU, Louisville and Cincy. WVU isn't on an island, they have two divisions, strong FB and BBall and a pretty stable conference. BUT they didn't have any foresight and thought they could take their time and a valuable piece was taken off the board while they got greedy. They could have had the three best FB programs from a BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference program while strengthening rivalries and solidifying BBall as the best in the nation.

It would have made total sense, but Big 12 brass thought Louisville and Cincinnati had "city school cooties".

Would have opened a whole new footprint in the Ohio River Valley that would have drawn interest not only in those three states, but some neighboring/adjoining states where those schools are also followed (ie. Indiana, Pennsylvania).
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 03:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Two of the biggest knocks against the Big XII Conference Championship Game are
1. Because of the round-robin, it will ALWAYS be a rematch
2. Since there are no divisions, there is a good chance for a rematch of the final week of the season.
Well, there's nothing that can be done about #1 unless the conference expands to 12 or more, but #2 can certainly be fixed easily, and with other benefits as well...
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In Rx: Better Big XII CCG I give a plan for how the league could play a non-conference game in the final week to 100% guarantee no back-to-back rematches. It wouldn't be as hard as it sounds, either (and some of the match-ups would be VERY appealing to TV, as well as to the OOC opponents!). Here is my proposal:

New Big XII "Rivalry Week"
WVU - Pitt
OSU - Miami
TCU - USC/Stanford
ISU - Iowa
OU - Nebraska
Texas - Texas A&M
[b]Kansas - Missouri[/b]
Baylor - BYU
Texas Tech - Utah
Kansas St - Colorado

Five of those games are "must see TV" (at least regionally). The other five involve teams which really wouldn't have anyone better to play and, at least, they're good games.

What do you guys think? Is it feasible? Desirable? or just Crazy? Better yet, why isn't the Big XII doing this already???

The lineup they've had has done pretty well. A meaningful conference game beats a regional cross-conference matchup. Florida-Florida St. often means something. Iowa-Iowa St., not so much.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
WVU - Pitt
OSU - Miami
TCU - USC/Stanford
ISU - Iowa
OU - Nebraska
Texas - Texas A&M
Kansas - Missouri
Baylor - BYU
Texas Tech - Utah
Kansas St - Colorado

Bigger question, "Why doesn't the B12 do rivalry week?" Texas has been playing Oklahoma in mid-October lately. The rest of the games are all over the place.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:11 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.

What you need is a third party to approach both with a load of cash to do it as a neutral site game. The Advocare Kickoff Game in Houston's NRG Stadium would be an excellent potential host---as would Jerryworld. A third party prevents either Aggie or Longhorn from having to "approach" the other. Both are just saying yes to a crap load of money.

Absolutely no chance of that happening. Texas has a neutral site game.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
They do that to coincide with the State Fair of Texas which is where the Cotton Bowl stadium is located in Fair Park
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:11 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.

What you need is a third party to approach both with a load of cash to do it as a neutral site game. The Advocare Kickoff Game in Houston's NRG Stadium would be an excellent potential host---as would Jerryworld. A third party prevents either Aggie or Longhorn from having to "approach" the other. Both are just saying yes to a crap load of money.

Absolutely no chance of that happening. Texas has a neutral site game.

I think he's saying in his hypothetical it would be a one time neutral site game to bring both parties to the table without fear of being the one to "give in" on restarting the series and then it would go back to home and home after that.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 03:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Two of the biggest knocks against the Big XII Conference Championship Game are
1. Because of the round-robin, it will ALWAYS be a rematch
2. Since there are no divisions, there is a good chance for a rematch of the final week of the season.
Well, there's nothing that can be done about #1 unless the conference expands to 12 or more, but #2 can certainly be fixed easily, and with other benefits as well...
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In Rx: Better Big XII CCG I give a plan for how the league could play a non-conference game in the final week to 100% guarantee no back-to-back rematches. It wouldn't be as hard as it sounds, either (and some of the match-ups would be VERY appealing to TV, as well as to the OOC opponents!). Here is my proposal:

New Big XII "Rivalry Week"
WVU - Pitt
OSU - Miami
TCU - USC/Stanford
ISU - Iowa
OU - Nebraska
Texas - Texas A&M
[b]Kansas - Missouri[/b]
Baylor - BYU
Texas Tech - Utah
Kansas St - Colorado

Five of those games are "must see TV" (at least regionally). The other five involve teams which really wouldn't have anyone better to play and, at least, they're good games.

What do you guys think? Is it feasible? Desirable? or just Crazy? Better yet, why isn't the Big XII doing this already???

Why doesn't the Big 12 do this? Because they think with their horns and not with their collective heads.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
I'd love to see some of the rivalries like Texas vs Texas A&M and Missouri vs Kansas come back but I think it's a hard sell to make those teams from other conferences agree to iT.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

Other way around, A&M actively rejected bowl matchups against the longhorns already (twice supposedly). Also Tom Herman wants the game again, and so did Charlie Strong when he was the Head Coach there.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 04:37 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

Other way around, A&M actively rejected bowl matchups against the longhorns already (twice supposedly). Also Tom Herman wants the game again, and so did Charlie Strong when he was the Head Coach there.

IIRC Texas is the one that cancelled the series when A&M left the Big12.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 05:17 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 04:37 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

Other way around, A&M actively rejected bowl matchups against the longhorns already (twice supposedly). Also Tom Herman wants the game again, and so did Charlie Strong when he was the Head Coach there.

IIRC Texas is the one that cancelled the series when A&M left the Big12.

The series was cancelled by default when A&M left. A&M justifiably needed some time to work out the SEC schedule. Which one is balking at scheduling an OOC series now depends on which one you talk to.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 05:17 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 04:37 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:36 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  TCU and Baylor should play each other in this scenario. At least that's a regional rivalry that's draws pretty well regionally

Also, good luck getting A&M to agree to play steer.

I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

Other way around, A&M actively rejected bowl matchups against the longhorns already (twice supposedly). Also Tom Herman wants the game again, and so did Charlie Strong when he was the Head Coach there.

IIRC Texas is the one that cancelled the series when A&M left the Big12.

I did some research and this is what I found back in 2013
Texas AD Dodds: "They're the ones that decided not to play us. We get to decide when we play again. I think that's fair."

Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin: "It's not relevant to us anymore, that's the whole point. It's not an important issue."

Otherwise Patterson Texas AD & Lofton were both against it in 2014 but Charlie Strong and Kevin Sumlin were both for it. So I guess partial credit for all!
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
Like I said, you can cite sources from both schools who have said "yes let's play" and "no, never again!"

The main thing is there is a lot of anger on both sides that isn't going to cool down any time soon and neither side now wants to be the one that "gives in". Some say "just toss enough money" but money is something both programs have a lot of but not as much as they have pride.

It may take a long time but eventually it'll be played again, just not anytime soon. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a decade or two passes first.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 01:06 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  WVU - Pitt
OSU - Miami
TCU - USC/Stanford
ISU - Iowa
OU - Nebraska
Texas - Texas A&M
Kansas - Missouri
Baylor - BYU
Texas Tech - Utah
Kansas St - Colorado

Bigger question, "Why doesn't the B12 do rivalry week?" Texas has been playing Oklahoma in mid-October lately. The rest of the games are all over the place.

Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St. Texas plays whichever Texas school they expect to be strongest in that particular year. Texas-OU is always played at the state fair in October.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
(04-11-2018 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 11:11 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 07:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I thought A&M wanted it, but it was Texas that was the issue?

There are plenty of folks who say they want it back on both sides, but honestly I'd say that 2/3rds of both fan bases would fire and possibly hang the AD who swallowed their pride and officially asked the other side to re-start the series. It's gonna be decades before you see this game again and frankly I'm fine with it.

What you need is a third party to approach both with a load of cash to do it as a neutral site game. The Advocare Kickoff Game in Houston's NRG Stadium would be an excellent potential host---as would Jerryworld. A third party prevents either Aggie or Longhorn from having to "approach" the other. Both are just saying yes to a crap load of money.

Absolutely no chance of that happening. Texas has a neutral site game.

I think he's saying in his hypothetical it would be a one time neutral site game to bring both parties to the table without fear of being the one to "give in" on restarting the series and then it would go back to home and home after that.

And because Texas already has a neutral site game they aren't going to play two in a year.
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RE: Why doesn't the Big XII do this?
That's fine if they don't want to do it but it's not like it's unprecedented. OU played Houston in 2016 at NRG stadium as part of a neutral site kickoff game and then did the annual one with UT.
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