(10-20-2018 10:26 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 07:27 AM)TFW Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 12:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  One thing I’ve been thinking about the last couple of weeks is that our lack of ability to take early enrollees is really killing us in terms of ability to revive the program quickly.

Right now you’ve got guys like Montero, Chamberlain, etc playing decent despite only having 6 weeks of college strength and conditioning. Imagine if we could get 5-6 guys to join the program in January and have 7 months under their belt by the time the next season started. That’d be huge.

Forgive my ignorance, but how does this work?

Does the player have to graduate HS before attending Rice?

Essentially, you graduate HS in 3.5 years. Apparently, this isn’t very difficult at lots of high schools (it wouldn’t have been allowed at mine).

This isn’t something that only the “factories” do... Lots of solid academic schools also do this.

Here’s an article about it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnatio...recruiting

That’s helpful. Thanks!

I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t want to do this, and presumably Bloomgren is familiar with it from Stanford. Has anyone heard of early enrolled in the upcoming class?

It seems like academically elite schools like Rice would be at a bit of a disadvantage because the students they accept typically will come from more rigorous high schools and I assume those schools would be less likely to allow early graduation. I know my HS did not allow it. Obviously there are exceptions and there are SOME a student athletes who could be admitted to Rice as early enrollees.

(10-20-2018 11:02 AM)TFW Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 10:26 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 07:27 AM)TFW Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 12:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  One thing I’ve been thinking about the last couple of weeks is that our lack of ability to take early enrollees is really killing us in terms of ability to revive the program quickly.
Right now you’ve got guys like Montero, Chamberlain, etc playing decent despite only having 6 weeks of college strength and conditioning. Imagine if we could get 5-6 guys to join the program in January and have 7 months under their belt by the time the next season started. That’d be huge.

Forgive my ignorance, but how does this work?
Does the player have to graduate HS before attending Rice?

Essentially, you graduate HS in 3.5 years. Apparently, this isn’t very difficult at lots of high schools (it wouldn’t have been allowed at mine).
This isn’t something that only the “factories” do... Lots of solid academic schools also do this.
Here’s an article about it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnatio...recruiting

That’s helpful. Thanks!
I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t want to do this, and presumably Bloomgren is familiar with it from Stanford. Has anyone heard of early enrolled in the upcoming class?
It seems like academically elite schools like Rice would be at a bit of a disadvantage because the students they accept typically will come from more rigorous high schools and I assume those schools would be less likely to allow early graduation. I know my HS did not allow it. Obviously there are exceptions and there are SOME a student athletes who could be admitted to Rice as early enrollees.

We had at least two that I know of during my undergrad days.

ETA: And I seem to recall that Fred and/or Ken had some.

(10-20-2018 11:02 AM)TFW Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 10:26 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 07:27 AM)TFW Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 12:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  One thing I’ve been thinking about the last couple of weeks is that our lack of ability to take early enrollees is really killing us in terms of ability to revive the program quickly.

Right now you’ve got guys like Montero, Chamberlain, etc playing decent despite only having 6 weeks of college strength and conditioning. Imagine if we could get 5-6 guys to join the program in January and have 7 months under their belt by the time the next season started. That’d be huge.

Forgive my ignorance, but how does this work?

Does the player have to graduate HS before attending Rice?

Essentially, you graduate HS in 3.5 years. Apparently, this isn’t very difficult at lots of high schools (it wouldn’t have been allowed at mine).

This isn’t something that only the “factories” do... Lots of solid academic schools also do this.

Here’s an article about it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnatio...recruiting

That’s helpful. Thanks!

I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t want to do this, and presumably Bloomgren is familiar with it from Stanford. Has anyone heard of early enrolled in the upcoming class?

It seems like academically elite schools like Rice would be at a bit of a disadvantage because the students they accept typically will come from more rigorous high schools and I assume those schools would be less likely to allow early graduation. I know my HS did not allow it. Obviously there are exceptions and there are SOME a student athletes who could be admitted to Rice as early enrollees.

Rice has very very limited summer school selection if I remember correctly. One of the big disadvantages to being so small, we can’t find majors or summer class for some prospective athletes. The only summer class I remember anyone taking was organic chemistry at UH because it was so much easier than Rice and premeds wanted a higher GPA.

The summer school point is unrelated to this as early enrollees come in January and thus have access to the full complement of 2nd semester courses.

With regard to summer school, yes it’s more limited than other schools but has been improving recently. Typically, the freshman who arrive in June take some kind of speech and debate class when they get on campus. Older guys can take math courses, basic sciences, some of the Econ courses, and perhaps most importantly, can do their sports management internship for credit during the summer too.

Got a line that I should go check out Darrel Harris mlb from Langham creek. Word is he's a stud. Lucky for me Cy lakes plays LC tonight. I'll be there to check him out. What's being told to me is he really likes rice.

Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

(10-27-2018 05:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jkbtjc_53/sta...2521548800

Somebody gonna learn to listen to people who have played this game on this level, lol. The kid can play, flat out. I don't care who has offered him. Nobody offered Dan dawson of note. Trust me the kid is a player.

(10-27-2018 05:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

Not always. Rice loses kids to schools we think we should get the nod over. We got a kid who wants rice and is a great player and you looking at who has offered him. So what happens when at the last second big schools come in and swoop him up because he's that hidden guy they want no one to know about? We lose out on yet another great houston area talent because we don't go after him. This happens to us a lot. They want alumni involved then you got people like you who haven't played that do this. Then because the other offers aren't all big schools, so we don't attack him. Learn to trust people who know. Learn to trust your eyes, boy let schools offers. The kid can play. Go get him.

Couple new offers:

CB Joshua Landrum (2*)
DB Kirk Lockhart Jr. (NR)

(10-27-2018 11:09 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Couple new offers:

CB Joshua Landrum (2*)
DB Kirk Lockhart Jr. (NR)

Need all the help at DB we can get.

(10-27-2018 10:24 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

Not always. Rice loses kids to schools we think we should get the nod over. We got a kid who wants rice and is a great player and you looking at who has offered him. So what happens when at the last second big schools come in and swoop him up because he's that hidden guy they want no one to know about? We lose out on yet another great houston area talent because we don't go after him. This happens to us a lot. They want alumni involved then you got people like you who haven't played that do this. Then because the other offers aren't all big schools, so we don't attack him. Learn to trust people who know. Learn to trust your eyes, boy let schools offers. The kid can play. Go get him.

Why are you telling me? Tell the staff. If the staff wants him I’m all for it. Let’s not act like the kid is some 4 star with a bunch of offers who wants Rice though. He doesn’t have a single D1 offer.

(10-28-2018 12:43 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 10:24 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.
My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

Not always. Rice loses kids to schools we think we should get the nod over. We got a kid who wants rice and is a great player and you looking at who has offered him. So what happens when at the last second big schools come in and swoop him up because he's that hidden guy they want no one to know about? We lose out on yet another great houston area talent because we don't go after him. This happens to us a lot. They want alumni involved then you got people like you who haven't played that do this. Then because the other offers aren't all big schools, so we don't attack him. Learn to trust people who know. Learn to trust your eyes, boy let schools offers. The kid can play. Go get him.

Why are you telling me? Tell the staff. If the staff wants him I’m all for it. Let’s not act like the kid is some 4 star with a bunch of offers who wants Rice though. He doesn’t have a single D1 offer.

But this is the kind of kid that Jess used to get and that Ken got a bunch of, but who isn't on the big-time recruiting list because he may not have the measureables (height in his case, I believe), but who is a football player. I think we need a lot of those types. Maybe not this particular one, I haven't seen video of him and don't have a basis for opinion, except that Nightowl likes him and that is meaningful to me. If he's got speed, and grades, I'd gladly give up 2 or 3 inches in height to get that.

Speed and grades, that's the way Jess used to recruit, and I think that can work now. I remember Fred had a class where everybody in the class, including the linemen, ran 5.0 or better. I thought that made a lot of sense. I still do. I think that class ended up wining 6, 6, and a conference championship in the SWC. If only we were that good right now, playing this schedule.

(10-28-2018 12:43 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 10:24 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:04 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Check out harris last night. He reminds me of cam nwosu. Sawed off, quick, great closing speed. Plays with great leverage. They run a 3-4 so it wouldn't be learning something new. I was impressed with his ability. Would be a great get for us.

My sources say that he wants rice. Its his top school.

His offers are Southern and SFA so hopefully Rice would be his top school if we offered...

Not always. Rice loses kids to schools we think we should get the nod over. We got a kid who wants rice and is a great player and you looking at who has offered him. So what happens when at the last second big schools come in and swoop him up because he's that hidden guy they want no one to know about? We lose out on yet another great houston area talent because we don't go after him. This happens to us a lot. They want alumni involved then you got people like you who haven't played that do this. Then because the other offers aren't all big schools, so we don't attack him. Learn to trust people who know. Learn to trust your eyes, boy let schools offers. The kid can play. Go get him.

Why are you telling me? Tell the staff. If the staff wants him I’m all for it. Let’s not act like the kid is some 4 star with a bunch of offers who wants Rice though. He doesn’t have a single D1 offer.

You have no clue what your talking about. Just cause a kid doesn't have any d1 offers doesn't mean he isn't worthy. There are plenty of lots who only have 1 other large and they are very good players. You're the guy that looks only at 247 and maxpreps to get recruiting info. You have no idea how to evaluate talent but want to come in on if a kid is worthy or not. Players are where you find them. The kid flat out can play. Undersized? Yes, but watched him take on a 260lbs ol head up, shed the block, scrape, to make a table for 2yds. THAT'S talent.

Nightowl -- do you communicate at all with the coaching staff?

I think it is absolutely fantastic what you do, and the passion that you show doing it. The problem is that the audience in this little corner of the blogosphere/ether arent what one might call 'decision makers' in this respect. Not even alarm bells for decision makers.

And, no need to denigrate any of us that lack the ability you have. I dont think the question is 'are you sure you have the right one', but more of 'are you sure you are speaking to the right people.'

Yes, we are the people that look only at 247 and maxpreps. Bullseye. We arent in the business. We dont do this for a living.

(10-28-2018 10:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Nightowl -- do you communicate at all with the coaching staff?

I think it is absolutely fantastic what you do, and the passion that you show doing it. The problem is that the audience in this little corner of the blogosphere/ether arent what one might call 'decision makers' in this respect. Not even alarm bells for decision makers.

And, no need to denigrate any of us that lack the ability you have. I dont think the question is 'are you sure you have the right one', but more of 'are you sure you are speaking to the right people.'

Yes, we are the people that look only at 247 and maxpreps. Bullseye. We arent in the business. We dont do this for a living.

And Nightowl's approach is the only one likely to bear much fruit at this point. Anyone w 3 stars or more will get plenty of offers. Yes, we can catch a couple who like the staff, want a good education, but most of those go to NW, Stanford, Vandy, ND etc
He is going to have to diamonds in the rough, and coach'em up at this [point
I don't know Nightowl, but at this point the coaching staff should use any asset they have.

Offered Co-Lin Juco (MS) ATH Swayze Bowman.

Also offered Cisco JuCo ATH Bradley Rozner. Looks like he’s originally from Needville.

Bloomgren clearly is sick of losing and doesn’t want to have to wait for a couple of classes to develop.

According to the article linked below, we're supposed to have 30+(!) recruits on hand for homecoming. Let's see how good this coaching staff really is because that stadium is not going to be full and the play on the field will probably not be pleasant to the eyes. Has to be an enormously difficult task knowing that homecoming is supposed to be the easiest day to recruit.

http://attheroost.com/2018/11/02/rice-fo...g-vs-utep/