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RE: [split] Mike Bloomgren's 2nd Rice recruiting class
Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.
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(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.

Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.
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(06-13-2019 08:22 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.
I want to see wins.
Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.

I think the culture issue is one that may have gotten underrated by many, including me, last year. Bloomgren was replacing what was generally accepted as a country club atmosphere. You don't change that without a lot of complaining and refusing to buy in. Teams often have to get worse while the culture is being changed before they can get better. Often you have to tear it down before you can build it up. I'm absolutely of the opinion that a culture change was madly necessary. I suppose I was hoping it could happen without the tear down. But it obviously didn't.

Paul Bryant did a major culture change with the Junction boys (something he said in later years that he would not have done if he had it to do over). In a latter year, when his team was underperforming, he was asked if there was any dissension on the team. He replied, "If there's not, there's fixing to be, and I'm going to be the reason."

I have no idea whether Bloomgren can get Bryant-like results.
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Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.
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(06-13-2019 08:22 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.

Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.


Everybody that used to be so impatient is now patient, and I have become impatient.

Didn’t June Jones have a 12 game improvement one season? Why is it wrong here to want more, faster. I am hearing excuses. Bare cupboard, weed out the chaff, etc. Why are we making excuses? Ooh, tough job, two wins is fine for now. Maybe we can win another two next year, and win six the next year and go to the Spaghettio’s Bowl.

Youse guys got mad at me for being patient, now y’all are mad at me for being impatient.
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(06-13-2019 08:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:22 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.

Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.


Everybody that used to be so impatient is now patient, and I have become impatient.

Didn’t June Jones have a 12 game improvement one season? Why is it wrong here to want more, faster. I am hearing excuses. Bare cupboard, weed out the chaff, etc. Why are we making excuses? Ooh, tough job, two wins is fine for now. Maybe we can win another two next year, and win six the next year and go to the Spaghettio’s Bowl.

Youse guys got mad at me for being patient, now y’all are mad at me for being impatient.

Give us a break. Bailiff was here 11 years and could not maintain any semblance of success Bloomgren has coached 1 season at Rice thus far. No comparison.
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(06-13-2019 10:11 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:22 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.

Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.


Everybody that used to be so impatient is now patient, and I have become impatient.

Didn’t June Jones have a 12 game improvement one season? Why is it wrong here to want more, faster. I am hearing excuses. Bare cupboard, weed out the chaff, etc. Why are we making excuses? Ooh, tough job, two wins is fine for now. Maybe we can win another two next year, and win six the next year and go to the Spaghettio’s Bowl.

Youse guys got mad at me for being patient, now y’all are mad at me for being impatient.

Give us a break. Bailiff was here 11 years and could not maintain any semblance of success Bloomgren has coached 1 season at Rice thus far. No comparison.


Give ME a break from your attempts to make this about Bailiff. YOU brought him up, not me.

Now explain to me why I should not want more wins, and better ones. That seems to be my sin, wanting to see the improvement NOW, not some season years from now. Why are you satisfied with 2-11 and a projected 1-11 or 0-12 in 2019?
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(06-14-2019 02:29 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 10:11 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:22 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Forty new faces does not necessarily mean 40 better players, although I hope it does. Shuffling the deck is not the same as stacking it. I want to see the hands he deals.

I want to see wins.

Geez, there is a process here. Success does not come overnight, especially with what roster and culture Bloomgren inherited. And it's almost inconceivable that the 40 new faces could possibly be worse than the ones they replaced.


Everybody that used to be so impatient is now patient, and I have become impatient.

Didn’t June Jones have a 12 game improvement one season? Why is it wrong here to want more, faster. I am hearing excuses. Bare cupboard, weed out the chaff, etc. Why are we making excuses? Ooh, tough job, two wins is fine for now. Maybe we can win another two next year, and win six the next year and go to the Spaghettio’s Bowl.

Youse guys got mad at me for being patient, now y’all are mad at me for being impatient.

Give us a break. Bailiff was here 11 years and could not maintain any semblance of success Bloomgren has coached 1 season at Rice thus far. No comparison.


Give ME a break from your attempts to make this about Bailiff. YOU brought him up, not me.

Now explain to me why I should not want more wins, and better ones. That seems to be my sin, wanting to see the improvement NOW, not some season years from now. Why are you satisfied with 2-11 and a projected 1-11 or 0-12 in 2019?

Again, give us a break. Who were you “being patient” about, before you became impatient? Jess Neeley? Of course your comment referenced Bailiff.

And we all want improvement as fast as it can happen. Just be real about the process.
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(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.
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(06-14-2019 06:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.


Must have missed those examples, which is odd since I read this site daily.

I guess you are saying the previous administration was lax in demanding participation in drills, etc. if so, clearly a mistake. Winning takes work. If Bloom is more demanding that is good. I would like to see that attitude result in wins - sooner rather than later.
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(06-14-2019 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 06:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.


Must have missed those examples, which is odd since I read this site daily.

I guess you are saying the previous administration was lax in demanding participation in drills, etc. if so, clearly a mistake. Winning takes work. If Bloom is more demanding that is good. I would like to see that attitude result in wins - sooner rather than later.

From what I understand talking to others closer to the program it wasn't so much lax in participation of drills and conditioning work as lack of intensity in practices and workouts. My interpretation, whether true or not, is that Bailiff cared more about being liked and being a friend of his players than imposing discipline and requiring maximum effort. No question he cared deeply for his players, and that was readily apparent.
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(06-14-2019 09:41 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  From what I understand talking to others closer to the program it wasn't so much lax in participation of drills and conditioning work as lack of intensity in practices and workouts. My interpretation, whether true or not, is that Bailiff cared more about being liked and being a friend of his players than imposing discipline and requiring maximum effort. No question he cared deeply for his players, and that was readily apparent.

That's pretty much my understanding as well, from similar sources. I think I attended one Bailiff practice, several years ago, and what struck me was the large number of people standing around doing nothing.

Mensa has said several times since coming to TexasU that what he learned from Bailiff is to love his players. But Mensa also has a hard edge that Bailiff never seemed to develop.

I have been told several times that there were no negative consequences in practice for making mistakes. That would certainly explain a lot of what we saw on the field--you practice sloppy, you play sloppy. My problem with Bailiff was always that I don't see how Rice can ever expect to out-athlete people by a wide enough margin to overcome extreme sloppiness. I think it's more a case were Rice has to out-scheme and out-execute opponents to overcome inevitable recruiting limitations.

Bailiff's reputation while at Texas State was that his teams played hard (a reflection of the fact that he did truly love them) but were extremely sloppy. That's pretty much what I think we saw at Rice, although his last couple of teams may have quit on him. Hatfield's teams pretty much quit on him in his last year and a half or so (based on comments from players who were friends of my son), and I saw a lot of similar signs in Bailiff's last couple of years.
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(06-14-2019 09:41 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 06:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.


Must have missed those examples, which is odd since I read this site daily.

I guess you are saying the previous administration was lax in demanding participation in drills, etc. if so, clearly a mistake. Winning takes work. If Bloom is more demanding that is good. I would like to see that attitude result in wins - sooner rather than later.

From what I understand talking to others closer to the program it wasn't so much lax in participation of drills and conditioning work as lack of intensity in practices and workouts. My interpretation, whether true or not, is that Bailiff cared more about being liked and being a friend of his players than imposing discipline and requiring maximum effort. No question he cared deeply for his players, and that was readily apparent.

Well, I am not comparing Bailiff or anybody else to Bloom. Just wanted to know what had changed, from what to what.

I don’t care if is tough as SEAL training or a walk in the park, as long as it generates wins.

BTW, the Vegas sports book has Rice at 10,000-1 to win the national championship. I did not place a bet. Hope Bloom makes me regret that.
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(06-14-2019 02:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:41 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 06:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.


Must have missed those examples, which is odd since I read this site daily.

I guess you are saying the previous administration was lax in demanding participation in drills, etc. if so, clearly a mistake. Winning takes work. If Bloom is more demanding that is good. I would like to see that attitude result in wins - sooner rather than later.

From what I understand talking to others closer to the program it wasn't so much lax in participation of drills and conditioning work as lack of intensity in practices and workouts. My interpretation, whether true or not, is that Bailiff cared more about being liked and being a friend of his players than imposing discipline and requiring maximum effort. No question he cared deeply for his players, and that was readily apparent.

Well, I am not comparing Bailiff or anybody else to Bloom. Just wanted to know what had changed, from what to what.

I don’t care if is tough as SEAL training or a walk in the park, as long as it generates wins.

BTW, the Vegas sports book has Rice at 10,000-1 to win the national championship. I did not place a bet. Hope Bloom makes me regret that.

No one outside the P5 is ever winning a national championship again.
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(06-14-2019 04:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 02:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:41 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 06:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Buddy, concrete examples have been given numerous times in the past on other threads. Posters with far more inside info than me on the football program have cited practices and conditioning routines as two specific examples. From a personal standpoint, I can tell you that when I asked Coach Bloom earlier this year (when he was in Chicago for the Coaches Caravan) about the prior culture he inherited he just rolls his eyes before saying that the culture was easily the biggest challenge he faced coming in....and that he probably underestimated how difficult the task would be to change it.


Must have missed those examples, which is odd since I read this site daily.

I guess you are saying the previous administration was lax in demanding participation in drills, etc. if so, clearly a mistake. Winning takes work. If Bloom is more demanding that is good. I would like to see that attitude result in wins - sooner rather than later.

From what I understand talking to others closer to the program it wasn't so much lax in participation of drills and conditioning work as lack of intensity in practices and workouts. My interpretation, whether true or not, is that Bailiff cared more about being liked and being a friend of his players than imposing discipline and requiring maximum effort. No question he cared deeply for his players, and that was readily apparent.

Well, I am not comparing Bailiff or anybody else to Bloom. Just wanted to know what had changed, from what to what.

I don’t care if is tough as SEAL training or a walk in the park, as long as it generates wins.

BTW, the Vegas sports book has Rice at 10,000-1 to win the national championship. I did not place a bet. Hope Bloom makes me regret that.

No one outside the P5 is ever winning a national championship again.

Or even making the four team playoff.

Yeah, bad bet.

Everybody in CUSA was the same except FAU and USM, both at 5000-1.

I don’t bet sports, but there is so much demand for seats for poker, they had to erect a bunch of temporary tables in part of the sports book, so I am usually seated next to the betting boards.
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(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

When the new strength coaches arrived, I asked one what the current strength/conditioning level of the team was on a scale of 1-10. “Maybe a 2” was the response. Bailiff’s early teams under Yancy McKnight (now at Texas) were in great shape but the program clearly fell off through the years.
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(06-11-2019 10:00 AM)Pimpa Wrote:  Caught this tweet last night from The Roost:

https://twitter.com/AtTheRoost/status/11...0483932160

Adding 40 new players in one offseason? That is a sizable amount, and probably one of the larger year-to-year additions by a Rice football team in recent memory. I would imagine these players are at Rice by way of scholarship, preferred walk-on and the Rice Investment?

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(06-13-2019 08:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Somebody give me concrete examples of what “country club” atmosphere means, and Bloom did to offset it.

When the new strength coaches arrived, I asked one what the current strength/conditioning level of the team was on a scale of 1-10. “Maybe a 2” was the response. Bailiff’s early teams under Yancy McKnight (now at Texas) were in great shape but the program clearly fell off through the years.

I remember anecdotally that the teams under Yancy had a reputation for physicality. I would also add Coach K's "Fly Damn Owls" as Rice Owl teams that were well coached with regard to S&C. Coach K was let go by our favorite AD Rick Greenspan just before the 2013 season.
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More HUGE @RiceFootball recruiting news. 247 Updates are in....

Devin Gunter =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/13/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Trey Phillippi =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/14/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Rice now has a Top 50 class nationally and the No. 4 class of all Group of 5 programs. #Flightschool20 #GoOwls
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Quote:The Roost
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More HUGE @RiceFootball recruiting news. 247 Updates are in....

Devin Gunter =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/13/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Trey Phillippi =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/14/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Rice now has a Top 50 class nationally and the No. 4 class of all Group of 5 programs. #Flightschool20 #GoOwls

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(06-15-2019 08:33 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
Quote:The Roost
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More HUGE @RiceFootball recruiting news. 247 Updates are in....

Devin Gunter =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/13/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Trey Phillippi =
http://attheroost.com/2019/06/14/rice-fo...s-to-owls/

Rice now has a Top 50 class nationally and the No. 4 class of all Group of 5 programs. #Flightschool20 #GoOwls

This is exciting news.
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