Quote:During a radio interview with Wayne Allyn Root, Nevada congressional candidate Danny Tarkanian defended civilians having firearms on the basis it could have prevented the Armenian genocide.

Root brought up former Supreme Court Justice John Stevens' recent op-ed, which argued for the repeal of the Second Amendment. The radio host told listeners he has a Jewish background and one of the first things Adolf Hitler did was disarm his future victims.

“I happen to understand that the first thing Hitler did before he herded the Jews into concentration camps to kill them was he passed, I believe in '38, a law that said no Jew could own a gun,” Root explained. “In the end, you’re powerless and defenseless if you have no gun.”

Root wondered why his Jewish friends, given their ancestry, continued to advocate for increased restrictions on firearms and Tarkanian also used his own background as an example of gun control enabling mass murder.

“I'm Armenian, and the Ottoman Empire ― they took the guns from the Armenians,” he said. “They came in and they killed 1.5 million of the two million that were there because they had no way to defend themselves.”

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This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

(04-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Do you even the links you post?

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[10][11] effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich within the occupied Sudetenland and Austria of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act. [12][13] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legisl...in_Germany

(04-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

http://jpfo.org
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

These people disagree with your conclusion.

(04-09-2018 01:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Do you even the links you post?

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[10][11] effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich within the occupied Sudetenland and Austria of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act. [12][13] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legisl...in_Germany

Read every word. The point, again, is that no amount of gun ownership by the Jews would have stopped the Holocaust.

(04-09-2018 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Do you even the links you post?

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[10][11] effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich within the occupied Sudetenland and Austria of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act. [12][13] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legisl...in_Germany

Read every word. The point, again, is that no amount of gun ownership by the Jews would have stopped the Holocaust.

Did the Nazis create laws that stripped Jews of owning weapons? And did the Nazis confiscate those weapons?

(04-09-2018 01:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is mostly ridiculous.

Especially with the Holocaust

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Do you even the links you post?

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[10][11] effectively deprived all Jews living under the Third Reich within the occupied Sudetenland and Austria of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act. [12][13] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legisl...in_Germany

Read every word. The point, again, is that no amount of gun ownership by the Jews would have stopped the Holocaust.

They are kind of all over the place on what they are saying. First they say that German citizens as whole were not disarmed but then go on to say Jews and enemies of the state were.

"This is a misreading of history on two levels. First, German citizens as a whole were not disarmed by the Nazis. Jews and other supposed enemies of the state were subject to having their weapons seized. But for most German citizens, the Nazi period was one in which gun regulations were loosened, not tightened. "


They then go on to say that because the general population was not disarmed they could have resisted the Nazis but it wasn't the general population the Nazis were exterminating. It was the Jews and enemies of the state who had been disarmed.

"Second, a lack of guns was not the issue. If the majority of Germans had wanted to use these guns to fight the Nazis, they could have. But they didn’t. Carson ignores that the Nazis enjoyed significant popular support, or at least, broad acquiescence."

This is almost ludicrous given what was going on at the time. It also defies logic that Jews would not have put up resistance to extermination had they had weapons. What did they have to lose?

I don’t think PolitiFact has the capability to assess to what extent the removal of guns from the Jews did or did not facilitate the Holocaust. Let’s go back to what we do know to be factual about the sequence of events:

1920s - Germans prohibited from obtaining guns in the aftermath of WWII
Early 1930s - Nazis come to power
1938 - Jews prohibited from owning weapons
1940s - Holocaust

So Hitler came to power at a time when the citizenry was to at least some extent disarmed, then allowed the citizenry to rearm except the Jews, then massacred the Jews.

I am well aware that correlation =/= causation. But that sequence has me at least wondering. I do not find Politifact’s analysis to be compelling.

(04-09-2018 06:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I do not find Politifact’s analysis to be compelling.

Probably because you aren't a mindless leftist sheep that simply buys what their overlords tells them without applying critical thought.