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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
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(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
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(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Why is it acceptable now?

Perhaps is isn't what's being done, but WHO it is doing it.....


No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

The problem is thats exactly what China is and has been doing. They subsidize their steel industry. But you say---"when they do that, China is essentially subsidizing the cost of building in the US--whisch is good for the US. But ask yourself---"Why would any nation willingly transfer money to another nation?"

Well, its simple. China doesnt see it as subsidizing our consumption. They see it as "buying" our steel industry. What they are doing really isn't business---its effectively bribing US companies to let China manufacture their steel instead of US manufacturers. Over time, the domestic steel business will die and China will have effectively purchased the US steel manufacturing business. Its really not a bad plan---especially since we were stupid enough to let it happen. .
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-21-2018 08:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

The problem is thats exactly what China is and has been doing. They subsidize their steel industry. But you say---"when they do that, China is essentially subsidizing the cost of building in the US--whisch is good for the US. But ask yourself---"Why would any nation willingly transfer money to another nation?"

Well, its simple. China doesnt see it as subsidizing our consumption. They see it as "buying" our steel industry. What they are doing really isn't business---its effectively bribing US companies to let China manufacture their steel instead of US manufacturers. Over time, the domestic steel business will die and China will have effectively purchased the US steel manufacturing business. Its really not a bad plan---especially since we were stupid enough to let it happen. .

it's sad how most people don't understand how we've sold our soul over the past few decades to those f'krs.....

I don't agree with US steel going the way of the do-do with DJT at the helm, but there was no doubt if it was anyone else, it was a given...

it's going to be interesting if the midterms play out the way I see it..... we'll find out then how infrastructure becomes the next low hanging fruit that is picked up.....it's there for the taking....
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
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(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Dafuq?
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
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(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

You were loving that the tariffs were going to hurt our farmers and make Trump look bad. Now it looks like our farmers not only won't be hurt, but Trump has a deal where they will do much better. Your reply is just one more sign of how Trump winning turns a libs mind into mush. I mean that was some real garbage even for a lib. 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Dafuq?

You are hearing the sound Ohio Poly makes when Trump performs a round-house kick to his nuts.
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-21-2018 08:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
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(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

That's so stupid I czn't tell if you got it from your communist website or came up with it yourself.

No, that stupid tweet came directly from DJT.
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Dafuq?

Yeah, I don't know what #fakeprez is talking about either
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-23-2018 07:01 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 08:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

That's so stupid I czn't tell if you got it from your communist website or came up with it yourself.

No, that stupid tweet came directly from DJT.

You should have stopped while you were just at moron level instead of going further to total moron.

If China were to buy everything we currently produce then farming is profitable again and the federal government can stop paying people not to farm.
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-23-2018 07:03 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Dafuq?

Yeah, I don't know what #fakeprez is talking about either

A rational person would take his tweet to mean that China is willing to purchase nearly as much as the US currently exports.
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-22-2018 08:57 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.



This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

You were loving that the tariffs were going to hurt our farmers and make Trump look bad. Now it looks like our farmers not only won't be hurt, but Trump has a deal where they will do much better. Your reply is just one more sign of how Trump winning turns a libs mind into mush. I mean that was some real garbage even for a lib. 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

there were many that pointed out the tariff was a bigger picture negotiating tactic.....

oh bobby darn ding dang dang.....

that dadgum silly tweeting feller with his finger on that red button......what a pain in the arse he is......

lmmfao.....
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-23-2018 03:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 07:01 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 08:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

That's so stupid I czn't tell if you got it from your communist website or came up with it yourself.

No, that stupid tweet came directly from DJT.

You should have stopped while you were just at moron level instead of going further to total moron.

If China were to buy everything we currently produce then farming is profitable again and the federal government can stop paying people not to farm.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

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(05-23-2018 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 07:03 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
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This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Dafuq?

Yeah, I don't know what #fakeprez is talking about either

A rational person would take his tweet to mean that China is willing to purchase nearly as much as the US currently exports.

That's not what it says but yeah, a rational person wouldn't expect one of his tweets to mean what it says
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-24-2018 06:36 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 07:03 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.
Dafuq?
Yeah, I don't know what #fakeprez is talking about either
A rational person would take his tweet to mean that China is willing to purchase nearly as much as the US currently exports.
That's not what it says but yeah, a rational person wouldn't expect one of his tweets to mean what it says

That is what it says, and no rational person would give it your nonsensical interpretation.
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(04-09-2018 09:32 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Tell me, how is that any different than allowing china to cherry pick which US industries it will punish. Do we make sure not to hurt pork farmers and let them continue to crush our steel production? Or do we push for an overall better trade agreement across all industries?

Quote:Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Nope... This is a foreign power attacking a US industry, not the US picking and choosing.

Quote:Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Are you so obtuse as to not see the difference between

A) The us government rolling a wheelbarrow full of US tax payer dollars to a company like Obama did

and

B) A US president fighting for better overall "reciprocal trade" with a foreign power and an industry getting caught up by the foreign power attacking?

How dare you!
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(05-24-2018 06:52 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 06:36 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 03:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 07:03 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 08:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Dafuq?
Yeah, I don't know what #fakeprez is talking about either
A rational person would take his tweet to mean that China is willing to purchase nearly as much as the US currently exports.
That's not what it says but yeah, a rational person wouldn't expect one of his tweets to mean what it says

That is what it says, and no rational person would give it your nonsensical interpretation.

like rugby, when you catch dem in the flow, sometimes it only takes a pinkie....however, it's at that moment when you give 'em a little extra to eat the dirt......
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RE: US farmers in 'precarious position' with China as trade war fears escalate
(05-21-2018 08:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

The problem is thats exactly what China is and has been doing. They subsidize their steel industry. But you say---"when they do that, China is essentially subsidizing the cost of building in the US--whisch is good for the US. But ask yourself---"Why would any nation willingly transfer money to another nation?"

Well, its simple. China doesnt see it as subsidizing our consumption. They see it as "buying" our steel industry. What they are doing really isn't business---its effectively bribing US companies to let China manufacture their steel instead of US manufacturers. Over time, the domestic steel business will die and China will have effectively purchased the US steel manufacturing business. Its really not a bad plan---especially since we were stupid enough to let it happen. .

Stupidity based on greed. We let them buy our industry because in the short term it helps maximize profits, with little concern for the future. Capitalism at its worst.
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