(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 11:11 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Right we should just continue letting China and others obliterate whole industries to avoid a confrontation on trades....

We buy more of their crap than they buy of ours, both sides will get hurt but they stand to lose a lot more than we do.

So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Why is it acceptable now?

Perhaps is isn't what's being done, but WHO it is doing it.....

No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

(04-09-2018 09:32 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Tell me, how is that any different than allowing china to cherry pick which US industries it will punish. Do we make sure not to hurt pork farmers and let them continue to crush our steel production? Or do we push for an overall better trade agreement across all industries?

Quote:Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Nope... This is a foreign power attacking a US industry, not the US picking and choosing.

Quote:Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Are you so obtuse as to not see the difference between

A) The us government rolling a wheelbarrow full of US tax payer dollars to a company like Obama did

and

B) A US president fighting for better overall "reciprocal trade" with a foreign power and an industry getting caught up by the foreign power attacking?

Speaking of obtuse.

A tariff IS A TAX. Difference is that instead of giving money directly to a specific industry, it's takes money out of the pockets of companies and consumers for the sole purpose of artificially propping up one industry at the expense of others. You don't think those industries paying the tariff are just eating those additional costs do you?

You can dress up that pig with a bow all you want by calling it "fighting for better reciprocal trade" , but in the end, it's still a pig.

(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Why is it acceptable now?

Perhaps is isn't what's being done, but WHO it is doing it.....

No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

I get it. In fact--I largely agree with it. However, when a government is artificially subsidizing a business so that business can sell at a lower price---thats an issue. I also get the argument---hey, if the Chinese government wants to subsidize construction in the US by selling us steel at below production cost prices---why should we say "no"?

The reason is--you have to figure out why any government would subsidize construction in another country? They wouldnt. So why are the Chinese doing that? The reality is they don't look at it that way. Instead, they look at it as the cost of buying a major foreign heavy industry and bringing it to their shores. So, they believe long term they win by purchasing major industries and putting them in China. They are not wrong.

(04-09-2018 12:04 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Speaking of obtuse.

Is that a no then... You don't see the difference between positive action of our government and negative action from a foreign power...

Really?

Quote:A tariff IS A TAX. Difference is that instead of giving money directly to a specific industry, it's takes money out of the pockets of companies and consumers for the sole purpose of artificially propping up one industry at the expense of others.

So China is taxing our cars at 25% then, and you're cool with that... But Trump trys to level the playing field and he's out of line.

Interesting.

Quote:You don't think those industries paying the tariff are just eating those additional costs do you?

What does this have to do with the import duty on the price of the tea in China..

You're running away from my question at a clip that would make Usain Bolt jealous..

I'll repost for you:

Do you not see the difference between

A) The us government rolling a wheelbarrow full of US tax payer dollars to a company like Obama did...

and

B) A US president fighting for better overall "reciprocal trade" with a foreign power and an industry getting caught up by the foreign power attacking?

This is not a "is trump right" question. This is me asking do you seriously not see the difference between A and B...

(04-09-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

I get it. In fact--I largely agree with it. However, when a government is artificially subsidizing a business so that business can sell at a lower price---thats an issue. I also get the argument---hey, if the Chinese government wants to subsidize construction in the US by selling us steel at below production cost prices---why should we say "no"?

The reason is--you have to figure out why any government would subsidize construction in another country? They wouldnt. So why are the Chinese doing that? The reality is they don't look at it that way. Instead, they look at it as the cost of buying a major foreign heavy industry and bringing it to their shores. So, they believe long term they win by purchasing major industries and putting them in China. They are not wrong.

Correct, and it becomes a national security issue.

We already have that with the rare earth elements used in weapons systems. China took that over, and as of about a year ago I dont believe there was a single US source for these.

Also, if we want to remain competitive so that Badger can purchase his aluminum at the lowest prices possible, then surely he is for LESS REGULATION. Its kind of unfair to say that american companies have to fund SS, medicare, pay a certain wage, and provide expensive useless health insurance to the employees, but then he doesnt like the price of aluminum here and decides he wants to bring it in from China.

(04-09-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

I get it. In fact--I largely agree with it. However, when a government is artificially subsidizing a business so that business can sell at a lower price---thats an issue. I also get the argument---hey, if the Chinese government wants to subsidize construction in the US by selling us steel at below production cost prices---why should we say "no"?

The reason is--you have to figure out why any government would subsidize construction in another country? They wouldnt. So why are the Chinese doing that? The reality is they don't look at it that way. Instead, they look at it as the cost of buying a major foreign heavy industry and bringing it to their shores. So, they believe long term they win by purchasing major industries and putting them in China. They are not wrong.

Exactly. And steel is a strategic resource. We can't be in a situation where we might get into a war with China and have our steel and strategic minerals cut off.

(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Why is it acceptable now?

Perhaps is isn't what's being done, but WHO it is doing it.....

No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

You should try to think of this pragmatically instead of ideologically.

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

(04-10-2018 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

Hopefully he's too busy potting his life savings in Brazilian soy futures

China is lucky I guess. We are dealing with a country, and they are dealing with 100,000 self-interested special interests masquerading as one.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

(04-10-2018 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

Still ironic.

Wake-up call for Trump-voting farmers: Trade war will hit them hard

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/wak...them-hard/

(04-11-2018 08:27 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

Still ironic.

Wake-up call for Trump-voting farmers: Trade war will hit them hard

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/wak...them-hard/

Yes, an objective source on the matter I'm sure.

Quote:ABOUT US

People’s World is a voice for progressive change and socialism in the United States. It provides news and analysis of, by, and for the labor and democratic movements to our readers across the country and around the world. With a small but dedicated staff and a nation-wide network of volunteer writers, People’s World presents insights into local, national, and international struggles from the perspectives of those who are experiencing them. It’s an angle you won’t find in the corporate press.

HISTORY

People’s World traces its lineage to the Daily Worker newspaper, founded by communists, socialists, union members, and other activists in Chicago in 1924.

(04-11-2018 04:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:27 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

Still ironic.

Wake-up call for Trump-voting farmers: Trade war will hit them hard

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/wak...them-hard/

Yes, an objective source on the matter I'm sure.

Quote:ABOUT US

People’s World is a voice for progressive change and socialism in the United States. It provides news and analysis of, by, and for the labor and democratic movements to our readers across the country and around the world. With a small but dedicated staff and a nation-wide network of volunteer writers, People’s World presents insights into local, national, and international struggles from the perspectives of those who are experiencing them. It’s an angle you won’t find in the corporate press.

HISTORY

People’s World traces its lineage to the Daily Worker newspaper, founded by communists, socialists, union members, and other activists in Chicago in 1924.

Wonder if they get any 'help" from a certain country we might be in a so-called "trade war" with that just happens to also claim to be for "the workers"?

(04-11-2018 08:27 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

How ironic is it today? Have an update for us?

Still ironic.

Wake-up call for Trump-voting farmers: Trade war will hit them hard

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/wak...them-hard/

As a farm operator, trust me when I tell you that a trade war with China is the least of a farmer's worries.

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Is this what he talks about in "The Art of the Deal"?

Boy, this cat knows how to win.

WINNING!

(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

Are you a parody account?

(04-09-2018 11:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:58 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 06:48 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  So it's OK to let one industry take the brunt of the suffering in order to "save" another?

Seems to be a PERFECT example of picking winners and losers.

Isn't that what many accused Obama of doing?

Why is it acceptable now?

Perhaps is isn't what's being done, but WHO it is doing it.....

No, whats happening is that Donald Trump is cleaning up Cuck Obama's messes that he was too much of a soy boy to handle.

Doesn't change the fact that while "cleaning up" those messes he's causing industries that had NOTHING to do with the mess suffer.

Choosing steel over pork is no different than choosing "green" over coal.

Still picking winners and losers.

The only winners and losers he's picking is america over other countries. Why that causes you libturds butthurt is beyond me, but it clearly does.

Me a libturd, that's rich to the point of being hilarious. That statement alone causes your credibility to be questioned.

If companies in this country CHOOSE to purchase lower quality cheaper steel from overseas, that's their RIGHT. It's called a business decision. Just like people have a CHOICE whether to purchase finished goods from those same companies. Evidently price is more important than quality to many, and that's their RIGHT.

If the steel industry shouldn't be any different that ANY other industry that's forced to compete in a global market.... You either find a way to compete, or you go out of business. Government artificially propping up your industry isn't competing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that in order to save "steel" numerous other industries must suffer.

By that way of thinking, if the previously mentioned pork industry suffers, is steel prepared to return the favor? Doubtful.

The problem is that the Chinese government is subsidizing the business, so it isn't charging FMV. They are trying to drive competitors out of business.

(05-21-2018 07:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 04:00 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 10:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/us-farme...fears.html

How ironic.

This news must make your day suck. How ironic.

Yes, it does suck. With China buying all that our Great American Farmers can produce we will now have to import all our food from other countries. How ironic.

That's so stupid I czn't tell if you got it from your communist website or came up with it yourself.