Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
Author Message
DawgNBama Offline
NCR Ranger
*

Posts: 2,445
Joined: Sep 2002
Reputation: 55
I Root For: p-natal vitamin
Location: prenatal vitamins
Post: #1
How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
Which states have too many?? Which states have too few?? Which are just right?? This is FBS & FCS & those schools without football- discuss please.
04-08-2018 02:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

McKinney Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 273
Joined: Dec 2017
Reputation: 24
I Root For: Massachusetts
Location:
Post: #2
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
Comparing a given state's percentage of the nation's D1 programs to their percentage of the nation's population:

These five have too many:
Louisiana
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
Tennessee

These five have too few:
California
Florida
Texas
Minnesota
Georgia

These five are closest to their "fair share":
West Virginia
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Oklahoma
New Mexico
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2018 02:22 AM by McKinney.)
04-08-2018 02:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GiveEmTheAxe Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 330
Joined: May 2011
Reputation: 14
I Root For: Stanford
Location:
Post: #3
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 02:21 AM)McKinney Wrote:  Comparing a given state's percentage of the nation's D1 programs to their percentage of the nation's population:

These five have too many:
Louisiana
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
Tennessee

These five have too few:
California
Florida
Texas
Minnesota
Georgia

These five are closest to their "fair share":
West Virginia
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Oklahoma
New Mexico

If California wanted to add enough D1 schools to meet the national average it would have to add another 11 to the current 24. UCSD and Cal Baptist are moving up soon, so that's already 2 out of the needed 11. Here are the ones I would move up from the D2 ranks, in descending order by enrollment.

University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
San Francisco State University (SFSU)
California State University, Los Angeles (Cal State LA)
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly Pomona)
California State University, San Bernardino (CSUSB)
University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC)†
California State University, Chico (Chico State)
California State University, East Bay (CSU East Bay)
California State University, Dominguez Hills (CSUDH)
California State University San Marcos (CSUSM)
California Baptist University (Cal Baptist)

9 of those schools are currently in the CCAA. They would leave behind 4 schools that would have to hope the Pacific West Conference took them in.

† I realize UCSC is in D3, but they really should join the rest of the UC schools in D1 someday. It won't happen, but it should.
04-08-2018 03:36 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
IWokeUpLikeThis Online
1st String
*

Posts: 1,665
Joined: Jul 2014
Reputation: 59
I Root For: NIU, Chicago St
Location:
Post: #4
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
In IL’s case, the problem isn’t too many. It’s where some are located.

EIU is one of the worst located colleges in the country. There is zero niche for them to fill - 1 hour from UofI and EIU’s vicinity in all directions may as well be uninhabited. Miracle that school’s alive.

There is no reason for two SIU’s to exist - Edwardsville exists as a makeup for the poor location of other directionals.

If one could redo the location of the directionals:
NIU - Rockford
EIU - Naperville
WIU - Quad Cities or Springfield
SIU - Edwardsville

Gets rid of some brutal college towns like Charleston and DeKalb and shifts the schools to population centers. Carbondale is actually a real nice college town that supports the Salukis well but they’re the clear exception to the rule for IL directionals.
04-08-2018 04:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TerpsNPhoenix Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 712
Joined: Nov 2014
Reputation: 43
I Root For: Maryland & Elon
Location: North Cackalacky
Post: #5
How many Division I programs (all sports & basketball only) should each state have
D1 schools in Maryland : (from Wikipedia because I don't want to do research)

Coppin State Eagles Coppin State University Baltimore MEAC
Loyola Greyhounds[a 1] Loyola University Maryland Baltimore Patriot
Maryland Eastern Shore Hawks and Lady Hawks University of Maryland Eastern Shore Princess Anne MEAC
Maryland Terrapins University of Maryland, College Park College Park Big Ten
Morgan State Bears and Lady Bears Morgan State University Baltimore MEAC
Mount St. Mary's Mountaineers[a 2] Mount St. Mary's University Emmitsburg Northeast
Navy Midshipmen United States Naval Academy Annapolis Patriot[a 3]
Towson Tigers Towson University Towson CAA
UMBC Retrievers University of Maryland, Baltimore County Catonsville America East

It seems like quite a few for such a small state. I'm sure part of has to do with big population centers of Washington DC and Baltimore. The other interesting thing I saw was Johns Hopkins listed down in D3. A huge "name" school but athletics in D3 except for lacrosse in D1.
04-08-2018 06:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BruceMcF Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,010
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 102
I Root For: Reds/Buckeyes/.
Location:
Post: #6
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 04:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In IL’s case, the problem isn’t too many. It’s where some are located.

EIU is one of the worst located colleges in the country. There is zero niche for them to fill - 1 hour from UofI and EIU’s vicinity in all directions may as well be uninhabited. Miracle that school’s alive.
Though students who can get into UofI are not worrying about where EIU is located ... but it's true, if students had to walk from their home town to University, EIU would be sunk.
04-08-2018 06:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

DavidSt Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,626
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 113
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #7
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 03:36 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 02:21 AM)McKinney Wrote:  Comparing a given state's percentage of the nation's D1 programs to their percentage of the nation's population:

These five have too many:
Louisiana
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
Tennessee

These five have too few:
California
Florida
Texas
Minnesota
Georgia

These five are closest to their "fair share":
West Virginia
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Oklahoma
New Mexico

If California wanted to add enough D1 schools to meet the national average it would have to add another 11 to the current 24. UCSD and Cal Baptist are moving up soon, so that's already 2 out of the needed 11. Here are the ones I would move up from the D2 ranks, in descending order by enrollment.

University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
San Francisco State University (SFSU)
California State University, Los Angeles (Cal State LA)
California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly Pomona)
California State University, San Bernardino (CSUSB)
University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC)†
California State University, Chico (Chico State)
California State University, East Bay (CSU East Bay)
California State University, Dominguez Hills (CSUDH)
California State University San Marcos (CSUSM)
California Baptist University (Cal Baptist)

9 of those schools are currently in the CCAA. They would leave behind 4 schools that would have to hope the Pacific West Conference took them in.

† I realize UCSC is in D3, but they really should join the rest of the UC schools in D1 someday. It won't happen, but it should.

Azusa Pacific could be the next California D2 school to move up. There are many D2 California schools that are already play water sports at the D1 level. Some recent call ups like Concordia-Irvine that is going through Transition from NAIA to D2.
04-08-2018 09:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 26,436
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 575
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Post: #8
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 06:48 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  D1 schools in Maryland : (from Wikipedia because I don't want to do research)

.....

It seems like quite a few for such a small state. I'm sure part of has to do with big population centers of Washington DC and Baltimore. The other interesting thing I saw was Johns Hopkins listed down in D3. A huge "name" school but athletics in D3 except for lacrosse in D1.

Maryland is the 19th largest state in terms of what matters, population. So they aren't "such a small state", they are actually larger than average.
04-08-2018 09:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,626
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 113
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #9
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 04:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In IL’s case, the problem isn’t too many. It’s where some are located.

EIU is one of the worst located colleges in the country. There is zero niche for them to fill - 1 hour from UofI and EIU’s vicinity in all directions may as well be uninhabited. Miracle that school’s alive.

There is no reason for two SIU’s to exist - Edwardsville exists as a makeup for the poor location of other directionals.

If one could redo the location of the directionals:
NIU - Rockford
EIU - Naperville
WIU - Quad Cities or Springfield
SIU - Edwardsville

Gets rid of some brutal college towns like Charleston and DeKalb and shifts the schools to population centers. Carbondale is actually a real nice college town that supports the Salukis well but they’re the clear exception to the rule for IL directionals.


Western Illinois I could say is position better. It is on the border of Iowa. It covers several cities.
Illinois:
Moline
Rock Island
Milan
Colona
Silvis
East Moline
Carbon Cliff and other smaller towns that is suburbs to Moline.
Iowa side:
Bettendorf
Davenport
Riverdale and other smaller cities on the river on the Iowa side.
04-08-2018 09:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
quo vadis Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 26,436
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation: 575
I Root For: USF/Georgetown
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Post: #10
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 02:03 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Which states have too many?? Which states have too few?? Which are just right?? This is FBS & FCS & those schools without football- discuss please.

I don't really understand the question. It's like asking "does New Orleans have too many or too few basketball courts"?

The answer is: It depends on the level of interest in basketball relative to other activities. If the people of New Orleans love basketball, than it should have a lot of courts. If not, then it should have only a few.
04-08-2018 09:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MWC Tex Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,035
Joined: Aug 2012
Reputation: 118
I Root For: MW
Location: TX
Post: #11
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
This question should only relate to public schools.
Doesn't matter if all the private schools are D1. They aren't supported by taxpayers.
04-08-2018 10:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

DavidSt Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,626
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 113
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #12
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 10:15 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This question should only relate to public schools.
Doesn't matter if all the private schools are D1. They aren't supported by taxpayers.



Private schools do get taxpayer money for their research department, and also they get Pell Grants for some of the students in some private colleges that excepts students with government AID.
04-08-2018 10:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Love and Honor Online
Skipper
*

Posts: 4,909
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 129
I Root For: Miami, MACtion
Location: Chicagoland
Post: #13
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 04:45 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In IL’s case, the problem isn’t too many. It’s where some are located.

EIU is one of the worst located colleges in the country. There is zero niche for them to fill - 1 hour from UofI and EIU’s vicinity in all directions may as well be uninhabited. Miracle that school’s alive.

There is no reason for two SIU’s to exist - Edwardsville exists as a makeup for the poor location of other directionals.

If one could redo the location of the directionals:
NIU - Rockford
EIU - Naperville
WIU - Quad Cities or Springfield
SIU - Edwardsville

Gets rid of some brutal college towns like Charleston and DeKalb and shifts the schools to population centers. Carbondale is actually a real nice college town that supports the Salukis well but they’re the clear exception to the rule for IL directionals.

I've actually thought about that one as well. I think the idea behind EIU was to help serve the region as a teacher's college for students who wouldn't go to U of I since they were almost exclusively focused on agriculture and science in the early years, though it's an antiquated way to organize higher ed today. It might've made more sense to put U of I in Springfield to try making that town more like Madison or Columbus instead of what it is today, then you could have NIU in Rockford, WIU in the Quad Cities, EIU in Champaign/Urbana, and SIU in Carbondale, plus ISU and a U of I campus in Edwardsville. One thing that's missing from the state is a higher-end public school with an undergrad focus, basically like my Miami; the Chicago area loses a lot of students to other states because you just can't send all of them to U of I, a location like Dekalb would be ideal for that kind of school as long as you could make the town more like Oxford and less like Dekalb.

Missouri is one that's kinda underutilized in terms of football - one FBS and two FCS programs for a state that's larger than Maryland and Colorado (not even counting the populations from the Kansas portion of KC or the Metro East in STL). Some strong DII programs though - to be honest UCM (Central Missouri) should've moved up instead of UMKC.
04-08-2018 10:29 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 18,965
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Near Seawall Town
Post: #14
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 06:48 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  D1 schools in Maryland : (from Wikipedia because I don't want to do research)

Coppin State Eagles Coppin State University Baltimore MEAC
Loyola Greyhounds[a 1] Loyola University Maryland Baltimore Patriot
Maryland Eastern Shore Hawks and Lady Hawks University of Maryland Eastern Shore Princess Anne MEAC
Maryland Terrapins University of Maryland, College Park College Park Big Ten
Morgan State Bears and Lady Bears Morgan State University Baltimore MEAC
Mount St. Mary's Mountaineers[a 2] Mount St. Mary's University Emmitsburg Northeast
Navy Midshipmen United States Naval Academy Annapolis Patriot[a 3]
Towson Tigers Towson University Towson CAA
UMBC Retrievers University of Maryland, Baltimore County Catonsville America East

It seems like quite a few for such a small state. I'm sure part of has to do with big population centers of Washington DC and Baltimore. The other interesting thing I saw was Johns Hopkins listed down in D3. A huge "name" school but athletics in D3 except for lacrosse in D1.

Maryland isn't a small state and as you noted, Washington is close by as well as many other large states. Plus, some of those are HBCU's, which can be redundant but they serve a unique niche. Another is a military academy which might as well be located in Alaska because it's not just a regional school. I'd almost say Maryland doesn't have enough schools, they need one for suburban DC and a state school for Annapolis.
04-08-2018 10:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,626
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 113
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #15
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 10:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 06:48 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  D1 schools in Maryland : (from Wikipedia because I don't want to do research)

Coppin State Eagles Coppin State University Baltimore MEAC
Loyola Greyhounds[a 1] Loyola University Maryland Baltimore Patriot
Maryland Eastern Shore Hawks and Lady Hawks University of Maryland Eastern Shore Princess Anne MEAC
Maryland Terrapins University of Maryland, College Park College Park Big Ten
Morgan State Bears and Lady Bears Morgan State University Baltimore MEAC
Mount St. Mary's Mountaineers[a 2] Mount St. Mary's University Emmitsburg Northeast
Navy Midshipmen United States Naval Academy Annapolis Patriot[a 3]
Towson Tigers Towson University Towson CAA
UMBC Retrievers University of Maryland, Baltimore County Catonsville America East

It seems like quite a few for such a small state. I'm sure part of has to do with big population centers of Washington DC and Baltimore. The other interesting thing I saw was Johns Hopkins listed down in D3. A huge "name" school but athletics in D3 except for lacrosse in D1.

Maryland isn't a small state and as you noted, Washington is close by as well as many other large states. Plus, some of those are HBCU's, which can be redundant but they serve a unique niche. Another is a military academy which might as well be located in Alaska because it's not just a regional school. I'd almost say Maryland doesn't have enough schools, they need one for suburban DC and a state school for Annapolis.


We need the Coast Guard and Merchant Marines to move up to D1. Then, we have all 5 branches of our Military covered.
04-08-2018 10:34 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,626
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 113
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #16
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
I think we have some regions in the US not representative for D1 who do have some growing spurts.

Western Arizona is growing, and no D1 team to root for.
Yakima Valley is growing with no D1 team. Central Washington could fill for them
The Seattle/Tacoma area keeps growing. Puget Sound or Pacific Lutheran should be D
Portland,/Salem/ Eugene is growing as well.
Pueblo/Durango/Grand Junction in Colorado is growing as well.
Russellville/Fort Smith/Conway along the I40 corridor are growing.
04-08-2018 10:41 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

_C2_ Offline
The King of Overanalysis
*

Posts: 18,965
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 364
I Root For: Houston
Location: Near Seawall Town
Post: #17
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
Then Portland should root for Portland State instead of ignoring them and if not, Portland is there.
04-08-2018 10:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goofus Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,478
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 39
I Root For: Iowa
Location: chicago suburbs
Post: #18
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
I think it should work much like the electoral college where every state gets at least 1 D1 program, and after that the remaining schools are spread more based on population,

Other factors I would consider is whether each state should have a limit on FBS schools too.

Also I would consider whether a state is growing faster or slower than other states.
04-08-2018 10:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chappy Offline
Resident Goonie
*

Posts: 15,439
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 519
I Root For: ECU
Location: Raleigh, NC
Post: #19
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
(04-08-2018 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 02:03 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Which states have too many?? Which states have too few?? Which are just right?? This is FBS & FCS & those schools without football- discuss please.

I don't really understand the question. It's like asking "does New Orleans have too many or too few basketball courts"?

The answer is: It depends on the level of interest in basketball relative to other activities. If the people of New Orleans love basketball, than it should have a lot of courts. If not, then it should have only a few.

I'm with you on this one.
04-08-2018 10:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HeartOfDixie Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,397
Joined: Oct 2013
Reputation: 816
I Root For: Alabama
Location: Huntsville AL
Post: #20
RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
It depends on how I view the situation.

If I am thinking purely from the top-down point of view we have too many.

At the same time, why should I care? We can have as many as can be justified by each parent institution.
04-08-2018 11:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.