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RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
We have 13 in Ohio, probably a couple too many given poor support for a couple:

OSU
UC
Xu
Dayton
Cleveland State
Wright State
Youngstown Stare
Akron
Bowling Green
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Toledo
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(04-08-2018 10:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  We need the Coast Guard and Merchant Marines to move up to D1. Then, we have all 5 branches of our Military covered.

My Dad's a grad and former football player from USCGA. There's no way that's happening. The Coast Guard neither has the budget, priority, or need to support a Division I program. There's a lot more pressing issues to attend to for that branch. Sorry.
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(04-08-2018 10:15 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This question should only relate to public schools.
Doesn't matter if all the private schools are D1. They aren't supported by taxpayers.

Here's the same analysis excluding private schools.

Too many:
Louisiana
Virginia
Alabama
South Carolina
Tennessee

Too few:
California
New York
Pennsylvania
Florida
New Jersey

Just right:
Colorado
Hawaii
Oregon
New Hampshire
Maine
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(04-08-2018 12:46 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:15 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This question should only relate to public schools.
Doesn't matter if all the private schools are D1. They aren't supported by taxpayers.

Here's the same analysis excluding private schools.

Too many:
Louisiana
Virginia
Alabama
South Carolina
Tennessee

Too few:
California
New York
Pennsylvania
Florida
New Jersey

Just right:
Colorado
Hawaii
Oregon
New Hampshire
Maine

Just going by public schools per capita California would need 28 D1 state institutions, 13 more than the 15 it currently has. So in addition to the ones I listed above they might as well bring in the rest of the CCAA and leave no public schools in D2. The final four in would be:

Sonoma State
CSU Stanislaus
Humboldt State
CSU Monterey Bay

So out of the UC and CSU systems combined, only Cal Maritime, CSU Channel Islands, and UC Merced would be left out of D1.
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Doing the same analysis for comparing GDP (including privates):
Too Many:
North Carolina
South Carolina
Louisiana
Tennessee
Alabama

Too Few:
California
Texas
New York
Minnesota
Florida

Just Right:
Maine
Kansas
New Mexico
Wyoming
Oregon
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RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each stat...
Doing the same analysis for comparing GDP (excluding privates):
Too Many:
Louisiana
Alabama
South Carolina
Tennessee
Virginia

Too Few:
California
New York
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
Massachusetts

Just Right:
New Hampshire
Colorado
Hawaii
Delaware
Oregon
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I fail to see how South Carolina has "too many" public DI schools. They all get support, and the only one in any danger of dropping down is SC State and it's not because of it's athletics (which is honestly fairly well run) but because of it's overall administration.

For those saying SC has too many publics.....exactly which SC public should drop and why?
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(04-08-2018 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I fail to see how South Carolina has "too many" public DI schools. They all get support, and the only one in any danger of dropping down is SC State and it's not because of it's athletics (which is honestly fairly well run) but because of it's overall administration.

For those saying SC has too many publics.....exactly which SC public should drop and why?

It has nothing to do with support or whatever. This was just based on the state's proportion population and GDP compared to their proportion of DI representation. The (perhaps flawed) argument being that it takes a populous and affluent state for DI.
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(04-08-2018 04:28 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I fail to see how South Carolina has "too many" public DI schools. They all get support, and the only one in any danger of dropping down is SC State and it's not because of it's athletics (which is honestly fairly well run) but because of it's overall administration.

For those saying SC has too many publics.....exactly which SC public should drop and why?

It has nothing to do with support or whatever. This was just based on the state's proportion population and GDP compared to their proportion of DI representation. The (perhaps flawed) argument being that it takes a populous and affluent state for DI.

There's no "perhaps" to it. It's an extremely flawed argument.
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RE: How many Division I programs (all sports & “basketball only”) should each state have?
Too Few:
Alaska

Just Right:
Minnesota
Wyoming
Maine
Vermont
Hawai'i

Too Many:
Everyone Else

No, this list is not facetious, but it accounts for all of Division I.
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So Arizona has too many teams at 4? Let the market determine too many. It's time for plenty to come off NCAA Tournament welfare payout (and guarantee game welfare) and drop the charade of being D-I.
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(04-08-2018 07:03 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Too Few:
Alaska

Just Right:
Minnesota
Wyoming
Maine
Vermont
Hawai'i

Too Many:
Everyone Else

No, this list is not facetious, but it accounts for all of Division I.

So I'll pose the question to you I posed earlier in the thread.....name the SC public schools who don't belong in DI.
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(04-08-2018 07:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 07:03 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Too Few:
Alaska

Just Right:
Minnesota
Wyoming
Maine
Vermont
Hawai'i

Too Many:
Everyone Else

No, this list is not facetious, but it accounts for all of Division I.

So I'll pose the question to you I posed earlier in the thread.....name the SC public schools who don't belong in DI.

South Carolina State and USC Upstate, plus Presbyterian and Wofford.
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This is just dumb...
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I think it has to go by populated by cities.

Alabama:
UAH and Tuskegee seems logical. Alabama have population spread out in the state.

Arizona:
Yuma is the last untouched area that needs a 4 year university.

Alaska:
Alaska is having financial issues which all the public universities would merge.

Arkansas:
Arkansas Tech
UAFS
UAM
Lyon
Henderson State
Harding

All of them are in some of the larger cities. Some could be FCS type towns, but others could be large D1 towns.

California:
Cali is so large, that even the LA area may need more D1 schools.
Azusa Pacific is a strong candidate to go D1 and then Cal. Poly-Pomona. CSU East Bay could be up there. The others may have trouble. We do need more D1 football in the state.

Colorado:
2 untouched cities are Pueblo and Grand Junction. CSU-Pueblo and Colorado Mesa.

Connecticut:
New Haven and Post seems to be the ones to watch for going to D1. They both are privates and have money upgrading their facilities and adding sports.

Delaware:
Delaware is a R1 school, and they should be the only school be in D1.

Florida:
There are several schools that could move up in the near future like Florida Tech and West Florida.

I could go on and on. The problem that I see is that in some areas, you do have an overkill of schools. Look at Miami in Florida. You have Miami, FAU and FIU. All three are struggling to get fan support as is because of the Dolphins. As it is, any move ups have to do with areas that are not already been touched by D1 conferences. Texas does have a lot of untouched areas.
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(04-08-2018 07:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  This is just dumb...

It is...a better way he could have asked it is which state is oversaturated with teams but even then, it's what the market dictates.
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(04-08-2018 11:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  We have 13 in Ohio, probably a couple too many given poor support for a couple:

OSU
UC
Xu
Dayton
Cleveland State
Wright State
Youngstown Stare
Akron
Bowling Green
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Toledo

All of them are also at the mid major or above level. Nobody in a starter D1 conference that takes in D2 call ups.

B1G
Big East
AAC
MAC
A10
Horizon

Attendance is decent to excellent everywhere. Miami and BG are toward the bottom in basketball attendance but they are original D1 schools with legit D1 facilities. They aren't dropping to D2. Youngstown St. has mediocre basketball support but has FB support which is too big for D2. I'm not seeing the weak link.
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(04-08-2018 07:35 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 07:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 07:03 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Too Few:
Alaska

Just Right:
Minnesota
Wyoming
Maine
Vermont
Hawai'i

Too Many:
Everyone Else

No, this list is not facetious, but it accounts for all of Division I.

So I'll pose the question to you I posed earlier in the thread.....name the SC public schools who don't belong in DI.

South Carolina State and USC Upstate, plus Presbyterian and Wofford.

SC State has outstanding athletics support. It's the rest of their administration that sucks.

What's the reasoning behind USC-Upstate?

Wofford and PC are private schools.
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Small States: No more than 2. Small is defined as more than 3 million but 5 million or less in population.
Extremely Small states: Less than 3 million in population no more than 1.
Large States: 1 for every 6 million in population.

States may choose not to provide their maximum, but no state shall exceed their maximum.
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Yeah but then what about private schools, federal schools and schools close to more/less populous states? For example, NDSU helps make up for Minnesota having only one FBS school
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