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(06-06-2018 04:01 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Given his having a bunch of wins, being well under 60 at the time, and coming off taking American to the NCAA Tournament twice ... why weren't the P5 schools trying to get him away from American back then if he was all that??? Why weren't even mid-major teams like VCU, Rhode Island, George Mason, etc. coming after him? You've positioned yourself to place all of this on Jeff's age, so what is the real reason when he had bigger success 10 years ago but still apparently didn't get a better offer till ODU came along?

To answer your question about how last season's NCAA success helps Hueitt when he becomes available, one way it helps them is in recruiting. Who knows, it may have had some influence on him going there himself.

George Mason was after Jones.
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(06-06-2018 02:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
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(06-06-2018 10:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 10:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  At the end of the day, there is little point is making the argument anyway: nobody can definitively prove that we would "win easily" the SoCon or WAC or whichever decent midmajor conference we want to compare ourselves to. At the end of the day, the kid chose to go to a school that has a great shot at getting into the tournament (and not as a 15 or 16 seed) and actually stand a chance once they get there. There is no sense in trying to talk down his decision and act like we are better. If you want to say we can beat UNCG head to head that's whatever, but in reality they have a greater chance at getting more exposure than we do. And if the proposed solution is to "move to SoCon or MEAC" then that tells me we are in quite a bit of trouble as a program.

No, the point is that is ignorant to call other schools better just because they won the conference and made it to the NCAAs.

If all the school cared about was NCAA trips, why wouldnt they drop down to easier conferences to get in the NCAA tournament? You don't do that because conferences like CUSA are better than the Southern or MEAC or whatever other low major conferences there are.

In terms of recruiting, every recruit is different. But, playing in the Ted with our facilities is much better than playing in the Greensboro Coliseum. Awesome, they had 1 good year and seem to be on the right track. Unfortunately, they are at a level that with any success, the coach is gone because almost every other conference is a more attractive conference. At our level, there are still more attractive conferences, but the number is smaller.

I wish Hueitt the best. I just don't think kids make the smartest decisions (understandable for 18-21 year olds). But, hey if sitting out a year and playing 3 years in the Colisuem for a low major is what he's after, all the best to him. A far cry from what his offers were out of high school.

It is hard to argue that we were better than them last season, but you sure are trying. They finished the season with a higher ranking, won their conference, won a ton of games, made the tournament, earned a 13 seed, beat NC State, almost beat Gonzaga... What did we do that gives us the edge?

Its not hard to argue we were better. Worst case, both teams were roughly similar. THey won less games than us, FWIW. They beat NC State and also lost to UNC Asheville, Wake, Presbyterian, Chatanooga, and Mercer. All of a sudden this year, bad losses don't matter and only good wins matter?

Both went 15-3 in conference (CUSA is a tougher conference). They went 9-4 non conference, we went 10-4. Their non conference was slightly tougher. Their KenPom rating was 82, ours was 64.

Anyone can lose on an off night.

Good teams beat other good teams teams.

They had 3 wins better than our best win. That also matters so for you to make the assertion that we would EASILY win the Socon just shows how ridiculous your posting style is.

Not to mention YOU were the one touting Huett as gods gift to basketball last year. Now all of a sudden you think he’s nothing because he’s leaving.

This is why no one takes you or t-Mac seriously.
I think we should start a poll on which posters we take seriously. The results might be surprising.
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(06-06-2018 04:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 04:01 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Given his having a bunch of wins, being well under 60 at the time, and coming off taking American to the NCAA Tournament twice ... why weren't the P5 schools trying to get him away from American back then if he was all that??? Why weren't even mid-major teams like VCU, Rhode Island, George Mason, etc. coming after him? You've positioned yourself to place all of this on Jeff's age, so what is the real reason when he had bigger success 10 years ago but still apparently didn't get a better offer till ODU came along?

To answer your question about how last season's NCAA success helps Hueitt when he becomes available, one way it helps them is in recruiting. Who knows, it may have had some influence on him going there himself.

George Mason was after Jones.

Before ODU was or at the same time? Is that the only other school you know of? I seem to remember something about GMU, but don't recall the timeframe.
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(06-06-2018 05:03 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 04:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 04:01 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Given his having a bunch of wins, being well under 60 at the time, and coming off taking American to the NCAA Tournament twice ... why weren't the P5 schools trying to get him away from American back then if he was all that??? Why weren't even mid-major teams like VCU, Rhode Island, George Mason, etc. coming after him? You've positioned yourself to place all of this on Jeff's age, so what is the real reason when he had bigger success 10 years ago but still apparently didn't get a better offer till ODU came along?

To answer your question about how last season's NCAA success helps Hueitt when he becomes available, one way it helps them is in recruiting. Who knows, it may have had some influence on him going there himself.

George Mason was after Jones.

Before ODU was or at the same time? Is that the only other school you know of? I seem to remember something about GMU, but don't recall the timeframe.

2011
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(06-06-2018 05:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 05:03 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 04:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 04:01 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Given his having a bunch of wins, being well under 60 at the time, and coming off taking American to the NCAA Tournament twice ... why weren't the P5 schools trying to get him away from American back then if he was all that??? Why weren't even mid-major teams like VCU, Rhode Island, George Mason, etc. coming after him? You've positioned yourself to place all of this on Jeff's age, so what is the real reason when he had bigger success 10 years ago but still apparently didn't get a better offer till ODU came along?

To answer your question about how last season's NCAA success helps Hueitt when he becomes available, one way it helps them is in recruiting. Who knows, it may have had some influence on him going there himself.

George Mason was after Jones.

Before ODU was or at the same time? Is that the only other school you know of? I seem to remember something about GMU, but don't recall the timeframe.

2011

Sounds like around the same time, or a year before ODU was searching for a new head coach. Who knows, maybe Wood had already had some informal talks with Jeff about one day being the ODU coach if it was before Blaine was dismissed.
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If Jeff doesn't land another impactful big man, UNCG will be much better than us this coming year. Wes Miller has that thing headed in the right direction. He is destined for a P5 job. I would love for that to be said about a coach we hire one day. Who am I kidding? That's way too much to ask for.
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(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Kinda crazy that Lon Kruger got the gig at Oklahoma at the young age of 59 03-lmfao
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(06-07-2018 07:36 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Kinda crazy that Lon Kruger got the gig at Oklahoma at the young age of 59 03-lmfao

Yeah, because outliers never happen.....
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(06-07-2018 09:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 07:36 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Kinda crazy that Lon Kruger got the gig at Oklahoma at the young age of 59 03-lmfao

Yeah, because outliers never happen.....

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(06-07-2018 10:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 09:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 07:36 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Kinda crazy that Lon Kruger got the gig at Oklahoma at the young age of 59 03-lmfao

Yeah, because outliers never happen.....

Kermit Davis

Im sure you can name a few, but roll with statistical anomalies.....

UNLV is as close to P5 as you can get. Davis was a homecoming. How often do 60 year olds go from mid majors to P5?
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It must be convenient to be "stats guy". Anytime someone proves you wrong, you just get to say "outlier".
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(06-07-2018 10:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  It must be convenient to be "stats guy". Anytime someone proves you wrong, you just get to say "outlier".

You make yourself look really silly when you say things like this. Anyone with even a basic level knowledge of math understands what an outlier is.

I guess if I said Trey Porter was not a great 3 point shooter, you could bring up his 100% shooting percentage last year.

P.S. I'm not a stats guy; nowhere close. But, I do have a basic understanding of it and am smart enough to know the importance of them. Better that than ignorance.
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(06-07-2018 10:15 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 09:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 07:36 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(06-06-2018 02:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So how does UNC-G being seen in last years tourney help him in the 2019/2020 season and beyond? How are you so sure they will have a better chance in 2 years?

Jeff jones has a 58% winning percentage with over 800 wins. He elevated ODU from a 5 win team to 18 and then 27 wins. He went to 2 ncaa tourney at American and 5 NCAA tourneys at UVA including an Elite 8 appearance in 1995. If you don't think age is a huge factor in P-5 schools not looking at him, you have your head in the sand.

Kinda crazy that Lon Kruger got the gig at Oklahoma at the young age of 59 03-lmfao

Yeah, because outliers never happen.....

Kermit Davis

Im sure you can name a few, but roll with statistical anomalies.....

UNLV is as close to P5 as you can get. Davis was a homecoming. How often do 60 year olds go from mid majors to P5?

If you do well enough, age will not be a factor in P5's hiring you as their next head coach.
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(06-07-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  It must be convenient to be "stats guy". Anytime someone proves you wrong, you just get to say "outlier".

You make yourself look really silly when you say things like this. Anyone with even a basic level knowledge of math understands what an outlier is.

I guess if I said Trey Porter was not a great 3 point shooter, you could bring up his 100% shooting percentage last year.

P.S. I'm not a stats guy; nowhere close. But, I do have a basic understanding of it and am smart enough to know the importance of them. Better that than ignorance.

If you aren't a stats guy, I don't know if anyone is.
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(06-07-2018 12:05 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  It must be convenient to be "stats guy". Anytime someone proves you wrong, you just get to say "outlier".

You make yourself look really silly when you say things like this. Anyone with even a basic level knowledge of math understands what an outlier is.

I guess if I said Trey Porter was not a great 3 point shooter, you could bring up his 100% shooting percentage last year.

P.S. I'm not a stats guy; nowhere close. But, I do have a basic understanding of it and am smart enough to know the importance of them. Better that than ignorance.

If you aren't a stats guy, I don't know if anyone is.

LMAO was thinking the exact same thing after his response.
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(06-07-2018 12:06 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 12:05 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:28 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-07-2018 10:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  It must be convenient to be "stats guy". Anytime someone proves you wrong, you just get to say "outlier".

You make yourself look really silly when you say things like this. Anyone with even a basic level knowledge of math understands what an outlier is.

I guess if I said Trey Porter was not a great 3 point shooter, you could bring up his 100% shooting percentage last year.

P.S. I'm not a stats guy; nowhere close. But, I do have a basic understanding of it and am smart enough to know the importance of them. Better that than ignorance.

If you aren't a stats guy, I don't know if anyone is.

LMAO was thinking the exact same thing after his response.

Same here. But he's smart enough to realize why we are thinking that.
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To be honest, this board has a very low level knowledge of statistical analysis. Im not sure why that is. There are other college basketball forums that are much more sophisticated in that respect.
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Because stats are boring. They already ruin every conversation about baseball now.
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(06-07-2018 01:08 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  Because stats are boring. They already ruin every conversation about baseball now.

Its been such a pleasure to see how it has enhanced the game. Teams have really gotten smart about it.
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You posting that the lack of interest in Jones, from P5 schools is an opinion. Not a fact or a stat.
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