(04-27-2018 10:30 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-...rofitable/

One of the better of many, many articles about football “profits”, especially at MAC level schools. Marshall is prominently mentioned.

Pretty much backs up what I’ve been saying.....Football and basketball is what the media and crowds pay to see, the other sports, well they just don’t get the turn out to even pay for their next away game

I think the point is that football also loses money for the bottom 80%% (probably greater than that).

The idea that it pays for non-revenue sports is a myth. Even with ticket and media rights revenue, it loses money, especially G5 schools.

(04-28-2018 09:25 AM)axeme Wrote:  I think the point is that football also loses money for the bottom 80%% (probably greater than that).

The idea that it pays for non-revenue sports is a myth. Even with ticket and media rights revenue, it loses money, especially G5 schools.

If it doesn’t support itself, which Marshall’s does, then that means more subsidy has to be used on athletics. Not good. Lean state budget years can cause death sentence for college programs is most of your budget is subsidized.

(04-28-2018 09:43 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 09:25 AM)axeme Wrote:  I think the point is that football also loses money for the bottom 80%% (probably greater than that).

The idea that it pays for non-revenue sports is a myth. Even with ticket and media rights revenue, it loses money, especially G5 schools.

If it doesn’t support itself, which Marshall’s does, then that means more subsidy has to be used on athletics. Not good. Lean state budget years can cause death sentence for college programs where most of your budget is subsidized.

(04-28-2018 08:11 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:30 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-...rofitable/

One of the better of many, many articles about football “profits”, especially at MAC level schools. Marshall is prominently mentioned.

Pretty much backs up what I’ve been saying.....Football and basketball is what the media and crowds pay to see, the other sports, well they just don’t get the turn out to even pay for their next away game

Athletic stature of a university is tied to what level your FB is playing at.

There is a perception that all FCS programs are "smaller".

G5 has more of a "tweener" reputation as big time but not power.

(04-28-2018 09:25 AM)axeme Wrote:  I think the point is that football also loses money for the bottom 80%% (probably greater than that).

The idea that it pays for non-revenue sports is a myth. Even with ticket and media rights revenue, it loses money, especially G5 schools.

The NCAA report stated that G5 schools on average spend 1.4 million more on FB than FCS schools.

However on average they earn 7.4 million more than FCS counterparts from FB from all revenue sources.

That why the decision to accept a G5 invite is an easy one so long as you have a functioning 20,000 seat stadium to put the team in.

(04-28-2018 08:11 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:30 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-...rofitable/

One of the better of many, many articles about football “profits”, especially at MAC level schools. Marshall is prominently mentioned.

Pretty much backs up what I’ve been saying.....Football and basketball is what the media and crowds pay to see, the other sports, well they just don’t get the turn out to even pay for their next away game

Interesting take. I recall you saying that football and basketball pay the bills and support the rest of the sports. I’m pretty sure that axeme got this one right. It doesn’t support them for Marshall and it doesn’t support them for anybody but the Enormous State Universities.

(04-28-2018 12:27 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 08:11 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:30 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-...rofitable/

One of the better of many, many articles about football “profits”, especially at MAC level schools. Marshall is prominently mentioned.

Pretty much backs up what I’ve been saying.....Football and basketball is what the media and crowds pay to see, the other sports, well they just don’t get the turn out to even pay for their next away game

Interesting take. I recall you saying that football and basketball pay the bills and support the rest of the sports. I’m pretty sure that axeme got this one right. It doesn’t support them for Marshall and it doesn’t support them for anybody but the Enormous State Universities.

Actually if you are in the black, you are in essence supporting the other sports as an athletic department with any profit from football, basketball and associated media deals. No school in the G5 and some P5 IS COMPLETELY self supportive. The revenue from major sports do pick up the slack for the AD, but falls short of paying for it all. Thats where subsidy comes into play. If I recall correctly, most MAC schools have 60% or higher subsidy as part of the budget. Not a problem in well to do states, but it can be an issue in states that aren't doing well. Marshall and USM have the lowest subsidy in CUSA.
So if you disagree with that, that's on you. Notice basketball revenue was not mentioned.

My point is, if football isn't paying for itself, then the entire AD is not healthy since the sports are being funded by subsidy. Healthy live gates is the key, thats where the money for said sport is made and why attendance matters.

2018 FPI rankings

Kent State, second to last in all of College Football.

(04-28-2018 09:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 08:11 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:30 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-...rofitable/

One of the better of many, many articles about football “profits”, especially at MAC level schools. Marshall is prominently mentioned.

Pretty much backs up what I’ve been saying.....Football and basketball is what the media and crowds pay to see, the other sports, well they just don’t get the turn out to even pay for their next away game

Athletic stature of a university is tied to what level your FB is playing at.

There is a perception that all FCS programs are "smaller".

G5 has more of a "tweener" reputation as big time but not power.

Better let Villanova know that.

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I think Alabama has received more attention than Nova has...

The MAC has changed greatly starting from the time Marshall entered the league.

-MAC had zero national exposure. No TV and scores were not shown in sports tickers or covered in media publications, especially for football.

-Head coaches in FB/BB were making 80k/90k per year. This at a time when MWC and CUSA schools were paying 500k for coaches and the power conferences were over 1 million.

-Facilities. No IPF's in the conference except for Kent and BG. Football facilities are significantly better for every MAC school.

The MAC has come a long ways. The FB salaries are 500k-1.2 million. Its not quite as high as the MWC but only 25% less at this point. They are at a different level than any FCS conference now. Basketball salaries are higher than CUSA now and the MAC has x2 the TV money and x2 times the TV appearances.

I expect more post season improvements for the MAC as time goes on. More games in the NCAA tournament. Better bowls and more money from bowls.

Marshall in relation to the MAC is a lot like UTEP in relation to the MWC. Both would be an upper end addition to those conferences if available.

Marshall in a southern based league yet geography is suitable for the MAC.

UTEP in a Texas based CUSA West yet is located in the Mountain time zone.

The more I think about it, Marshall would complete the footprint for the MAC nicely.

(04-29-2018 10:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Marshall in relation to the MAC is a lot like UTEP in relation to the MWC. Both would be an upper end addition to those conferences if available.

Marshall in a southern based league yet geography is suitable for the MAC.

UTEP in a Texas based CUSA West yet is located in the Mountain time zone.

The more I think about it, Marshall would complete the footprint for the MAC nicely.

Talk to them. More southern of a school than geography indicates. They got out. We don't want em back.

(04-30-2018 12:32 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(04-29-2018 10:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Marshall in relation to the MAC is a lot like UTEP in relation to the MWC. Both would be an upper end addition to those conferences if available.

Marshall in a southern based league yet geography is suitable for the MAC.

UTEP in a Texas based CUSA West yet is located in the Mountain time zone.

The more I think about it, Marshall would complete the footprint for the MAC nicely.

Talk to them. More southern of a school than geography indicates. They got out. We don't want em back.

The two main arguments for moving to CUSA were.

1) TV deal. CUSA was at 1 million per school back when it was a higher percentage of the budget.

2) Ability to get into a BCS bowl. Marshall's coach at the time thought it would be easier to get there from CUSA than the MAC. That of course was not true as NIU and Kent State played a MACC with the winner going to an Orange Bowl.

If the MAC is going to be more TV money, less travel costs and a stronger FB conference then I could see why they would want in.

Of course there has to be an opening. We aren't going to 14 for Marshall. Maybe 14 for UConn and Army FB if UConn moved to the Big East just to level the playing field with the AAC.

This thread has run its course. Shutting down. Move along please.