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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
(04-07-2018 01:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
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(04-07-2018 09:12 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I just don't get why people get their panties in a wad when a school wants to move up to D1. If a school wants to risk it, why not. When App and Charlotte moved up, I never heard such winning and moaning.

It's the size and location of the school.

App and Charlotte are much bigger schools that had been in Division I forever. They both moved football from FCS to FBS, a natural progression for both schools. Appalachian State was a power in FCS, while Charlotte started football from scratch but needed to get to the highest level possible as quickly as possible in order to be viable in a big market.

Augustana is a private school with 2000 students and a $70 million endowment, in a metro area of 250,000 people. The rumored donation would more than double the endowment. The school has a long history in DII, including decades in the old North Central Conference with South Dakota and South Dakota State. But, there is a huge difference between Division II and Division I, even the lower rungs.

It's a tiny school, but there are people in Sioux Falls with big money and big dreams. The tea leaves say they're going to try to move up. Whether a conference invites them is anyone's guess.

Tiny school or not, if they have the backers why are people concerned if they move up. Especially being a private school? I just don't get why it bothers people.

I don't think it bothers people. What bothers people, is for every Augustana there's 100s more that DavidSt brings up that have no evidence of D1 dreams. Good for Augustana and their fans, but schools like they are few and far between.

There's people on here who bring up Upper Iowa and think they're D1 material. So when Augustana comes up, most assume it's just another DavidSt delusion.
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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
(04-07-2018 01:47 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 01:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 10:42 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 09:12 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I just don't get why people get their panties in a wad when a school wants to move up to D1. If a school wants to risk it, why not. When App and Charlotte moved up, I never heard such winning and moaning.

It's the size and location of the school.

App and Charlotte are much bigger schools that had been in Division I forever. They both moved football from FCS to FBS, a natural progression for both schools. Appalachian State was a power in FCS, while Charlotte started football from scratch but needed to get to the highest level possible as quickly as possible in order to be viable in a big market.

Augustana is a private school with 2000 students and a $70 million endowment, in a metro area of 250,000 people. The rumored donation would more than double the endowment. The school has a long history in DII, including decades in the old North Central Conference with South Dakota and South Dakota State. But, there is a huge difference between Division II and Division I, even the lower rungs.

It's a tiny school, but there are people in Sioux Falls with big money and big dreams. The tea leaves say they're going to try to move up. Whether a conference invites them is anyone's guess.

Tiny school or not, if they have the backers why are people concerned if they move up. Especially being a private school? I just don't get why it bothers people.

I don't think it bothers people. What bothers people, is for every Augustana there's 100s more that DavidSt brings up that have no evidence of D1 dreams. Good for Augustana and their fans, but schools like they are few and far between.

There's people on here who bring up Upper Iowa and think they're D1 material. So when Augustana comes up, most assume it's just another DavidSt delusion.

I am not saying that they will go to D1. I put Upper Iowa down as a potential D1 school that fits geography just in case there is a split between basketball schools at D1. The6y would be 1AA in basketball for smaller schools. As it is? Why is Presbyterian D1 when they have a much smaller enrollment than Upper Iowa?
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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
Sanford will call the USD, SDSU, and NDSU, who he has gifted major facility upgrades, that they need to support Augustana’s entry to the Summit. If any one of them refuse or don’t cooperate, they will be told “no more soup for you”. Their Presidents will probably capitulate. Past gifts have strings, especially when they are so major.

Sanford has wanted to be known broadly as the billionaire that gifted Sioux Falls to the next city level. He already has his name on the big arena and major hospital and earlier made it a major credit card center. He will expect USD, SDSU, and NDSU do to some major politicking for him to get Augie DI, even though he didn’t go to any of the schools.

Augustana has an impressive array of who’s who in SD. The current President was a former SD congresswoman, the new AD has quite a host of DI contacts, Augie has some big backers locally, so expect a full court press to obtain their goal.
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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
Upper Iowa was the poor man of the Iowa DIII league. When they started building branch campuses on military bases and went online with many courses, I believe they were asked to leave as to not sully the exclusive DIII Iowa brand. So Upper Iowa, which is still relatively poor and can’t fathom a DI bid, probably did not have much choice- either DII or NAIA.
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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
(04-07-2018 02:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 01:47 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 01:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 10:42 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 09:12 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I just don't get why people get their panties in a wad when a school wants to move up to D1. If a school wants to risk it, why not. When App and Charlotte moved up, I never heard such winning and moaning.

It's the size and location of the school.

App and Charlotte are much bigger schools that had been in Division I forever. They both moved football from FCS to FBS, a natural progression for both schools. Appalachian State was a power in FCS, while Charlotte started football from scratch but needed to get to the highest level possible as quickly as possible in order to be viable in a big market.

Augustana is a private school with 2000 students and a $70 million endowment, in a metro area of 250,000 people. The rumored donation would more than double the endowment. The school has a long history in DII, including decades in the old North Central Conference with South Dakota and South Dakota State. But, there is a huge difference between Division II and Division I, even the lower rungs.

It's a tiny school, but there are people in Sioux Falls with big money and big dreams. The tea leaves say they're going to try to move up. Whether a conference invites them is anyone's guess.

Tiny school or not, if they have the backers why are people concerned if they move up. Especially being a private school? I just don't get why it bothers people.

I don't think it bothers people. What bothers people, is for every Augustana there's 100s more that DavidSt brings up that have no evidence of D1 dreams. Good for Augustana and their fans, but schools like they are few and far between.

There's people on here who bring up Upper Iowa and think they're D1 material. So when Augustana comes up, most assume it's just another DavidSt delusion.

I am not saying that they will go to D1. I put Upper Iowa down as a potential D1 school that fits geography just in case there is a split between basketball schools at D1. The6y would be 1AA in basketball for smaller schools. As it is? Why is Presbyterian D1 when they have a much smaller enrollment than Upper Iowa?

No. You put them on the list only because of your fantasy that everyone wants to be D1. Everytime you use the excuse of their geography or town population to justify the reasoning which are two of the most irrelevant factors in what division a school plays. Presbyterian went D1 with an extremely small enrollment, it was their choice so good for them, but now it seems that decision is starting to bite them in the backside.
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As long as it keeps UMKC out of The Summit and still in the WAC I'll take it.
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RE: Augustana moving to Division I?
(04-07-2018 04:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Sanford will call the USD, SDSU, and NDSU, who he has gifted major facility upgrades, that they need to support Augustana’s entry to the Summit. If any one of them refuse or don’t cooperate, they will be told “no more soup for you”. Their Presidents will probably capitulate. Past gifts have strings, especially when they are so major.

Sanford has wanted to be known broadly as the billionaire that gifted Sioux Falls to the next city level. He already has his name on the big arena and major hospital and earlier made it a major credit card center. He will expect USD, SDSU, and NDSU do to some major politicking for him to get Augie DI, even though he didn’t go to any of the schools.

Augustana has an impressive array of who’s who in SD. The current President was a former SD congresswoman, the new AD has quite a host of DI contacts, Augie has some big backers locally, so expect a full court press to obtain their goal.

Both SDSU and USD received $20 million from T. Denny (Sanford) for facilities. The bigger for SDSU is Premier Bank, where T. Denny's money came from, through SDSU FB Alumni and CEO Dana Dykhouse. T. Denny the man doesn't care what SDSU or USD do as long as his name is on the building. The CEO of Sanford Health is a different story. Krabbenhoft is a pain the ass, a huge supporter of Augustana, a very controlling personality. Rumor has it he is the one, not T Denny pushing on Augustana.

Interestingly enough. SDSU gets more corporate dollars from Sanford Health's chief rival, Avera. A company which Sanford, specifically Krabbenhoft has a war going with.

I listened to the interview of Augustana's new President on a sports radio station out of Sioux Falls. It is hard to tell if this is real, or a promotional campaign. No matter what, she has not committing to anything other then studying whether the move is feasible or not. If it happens, I would not expect any announcement for a year or two, with the move coming sometime in the next 4 - 5 years. Definitely not something that is going to occur anytime soon.
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Another name that came up is Central Missouri. Central Missouri is over 12,000 students. As large as the state of Missouri is, I am surprise that there are so few d1 programs in the state.
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(04-09-2018 04:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Another name that came up is Central Missouri. Central Missouri is over 12,000 students. As large as the state of Missouri is, I am surprise that there are so few d1 programs in the state.
Maybe it would help if non-directional Missouri had fans themselves. Pro sports and KU have bled the well dry.
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(04-09-2018 09:40 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 04:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Sanford will call the USD, SDSU, and NDSU, who he has gifted major facility upgrades, that they need to support Augustana’s entry to the Summit. If any one of them refuse or don’t cooperate, they will be told “no more soup for you”. Their Presidents will probably capitulate. Past gifts have strings, especially when they are so major.

Sanford has wanted to be known broadly as the billionaire that gifted Sioux Falls to the next city level. He already has his name on the big arena and major hospital and earlier made it a major credit card center. He will expect USD, SDSU, and NDSU do to some major politicking for him to get Augie DI, even though he didn’t go to any of the schools.

Augustana has an impressive array of who’s who in SD. The current President was a former SD congresswoman, the new AD has quite a host of DI contacts, Augie has some big backers locally, so expect a full court press to obtain their goal.

Both SDSU and USD received $20 million from T. Denny (Sanford) for facilities. The bigger for SDSU is Premier Bank, where T. Denny's money came from, through SDSU FB Alumni and CEO Dana Dykhouse. T. Denny the man doesn't care what SDSU or USD do as long as his name is on the building. The CEO of Sanford Health is a different story. Krabbenhoft is a pain the ass, a huge supporter of Augustana, a very controlling personality. Rumor has it he is the one, not T Denny pushing on Augustana.

Interestingly enough. SDSU gets more corporate dollars from Sanford Health's chief rival, Avera. A company which Sanford, specifically Krabbenhoft has a war going with.

I listened to the interview of Augustana's new President on a sports radio station out of Sioux Falls. It is hard to tell if this is real, or a promotional campaign. No matter what, she has not committing to anything other then studying whether the move is feasible or not. If it happens, I would not expect any announcement for a year or two, with the move coming sometime in the next 4 - 5 years. Definitely not something that is going to occur anytime soon.
Curious if Sanford could through a wrench in SDSU’s plan to renovate Frost arena or USD’s plans to renovate the DakotaDome. That could cause a lot of squealing. Who funded those renovations and is the money there?

Sanford seems intent on giving Sioux Falls it’s own very own DI team. The few games that USD and SDSU have played there apparently are not enough.

Hockey could easily go DI with much less money, but Krabbenhoft would not like it. His kid was a mbb stud at Wisconsin wasn’t he?
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(04-09-2018 06:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Another name that came up is Central Missouri. Central Missouri is over 12,000 students. As large as the state of Missouri is, I am surprise that there are so few d1 programs in the state.
Maybe it would help if non-directional Missouri had fans themselves. Pro sports and KU have bled the well dry.

Lindenwood has so many sports programs including club programs that are national powers, so presume Lindenwood is looking to go up. Seems that is a very ambitious school.
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(04-09-2018 04:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Another name that came up is Central Missouri. Central Missouri is over 12,000 students. As large as the state of Missouri is, I am surprise that there are so few d1 programs in the state.

There has been no talk of Central Missouri moving up to Division 1. They like being the powerhouse of Division 2.
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(04-09-2018 11:36 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 04:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Another name that came up is Central Missouri. Central Missouri is over 12,000 students. As large as the state of Missouri is, I am surprise that there are so few d1 programs in the state.

There has been no talk of Central Missouri moving up to Division 1. They like being the powerhouse of Division 2.

Where did I say they were talking about moving up? I said it is one school that have been brought up by others as a target for expansion.
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https://amp.argusleader.com/amp/51114800...ssion=true

Rumors are flying that T Denny Sanford will endow Augustana with $150 million if they get a DI spot. Sioux Falls wants DI entertainment, Sanford wants to see it, and USD and SDSU have not responded much. USD has scheduled fb and mbb games there, but maybe one a season.

Augustana would probably have to drop fb to nonschlolarship. But they could move up hockey to DI without a conference invite. The Sioux Falls Stampede attracts thousands of fans, and that just in a development league for DI. Sanford Center could host the games, as it has for the Stampede.

Most SDSU and USD fans are having cows over this. Guess the SD ranchers will have bigger herds this summer.
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Analysis: Is Augustana ready to make Division I leap?
https://www.argusleader.com/story/sports...511148002/
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Somebody probably should tell them about the Dakota's moving to the Big North.
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(04-14-2018 09:05 AM)NoQuestion Wrote:  Somebody probably should tell them about the Dakota's moving to the Big North.

The Summit will morph into a more western league. That is not moving.

Augustana doesn’t in any way affect the plan.
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