(04-06-2018 10:53 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Unless Trump "federalizes" the troops, the respective Governors have the right to decline to send them.

This should be interesting

So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

Quote:Some governors responded enthusiastically to President Donald Trump's plan to send the National Guard to the southern border, while others criticized it and suggested they would not comply if directed to send troops from their states.
The governors of the border states of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona -- all Republicans -- expressed their support. But the office of the California governor, a Democrat, did not indicate to CNN whether the governor would back deploying Guard troops.

Quote:Mike Lonergan, a spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, told CNN the governor "​appreciates the administration's efforts to bring states to the table as they go about taking steps to better secure our border." Lonergan added that the governor "fully" supports the men and women of the New Mexico National Guard "in any mission -- state or federal at home or abroad."

In a news release Wednesday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the Trump administration directive "reinforces Texas' longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support."
Lt. Col. Travis Walters, Texas Military Department state public affairs officer, told CNN the state is "awaiting additional guidance from the Department of Defense and President regarding the border."
"At this point we are in the very early planning stages," he said.

Quote:Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey responded on Twitter that his state "welcomes this enhanced security," and that he appreciated the opportunity to discuss the plan with Nielsen as well as Abbott, Martinez and California's Gov. Jerry Brown.

Quote:Some governors from other states indicated they would resist any attempt to send National Guard troops from their states, if asked by the administration.
Mary-Sarah Kinner, the communications director for Nevada Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, said in a statement to CNN that the governor "does not think this would be an appropriate use of the Nevada National Guard," adding that the Trump administration has "not been in touch with" the governor's office about the deployment plan.
Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Wednesday that if the President asked her to deploy guard troops to the border she would reject the request. "As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border," she said.

The offices of other governors indicated their support.
Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchison tweeted: "I just spoke with @SecNielsen of @DHSgov. I informed the Trump Administration that the Arkansas National Guard will support @POTUS's effort to increase border security."
"We have done this before, and the technical support of the @arkansasguard will add to our nation's security at an important time. I appreciate General Berry and ANG soldiers for their service."

Quote:The office of Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement to CNN that if the President asks for the state's help, the governor "will work with Adjutant General of the Alabama National Guard to see what resources are available without impeding missions here at home, and then make a determination."

(04-06-2018 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 10:53 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Unless Trump "federalizes" the troops, the respective Governors have the right to decline to send them.

This should be interesting

So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

Quote:Some governors responded enthusiastically to President Donald Trump's plan to send the National Guard to the southern border, while others criticized it and suggested they would not comply if directed to send troops from their states.
The governors of the border states of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona -- all Republicans -- expressed their support. But the office of the California governor, a Democrat, did not indicate to CNN whether the governor would back deploying Guard troops.

Quote:Mike Lonergan, a spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, told CNN the governor "​appreciates the administration's efforts to bring states to the table as they go about taking steps to better secure our border." Lonergan added that the governor "fully" supports the men and women of the New Mexico National Guard "in any mission -- state or federal at home or abroad."

In a news release Wednesday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the Trump administration directive "reinforces Texas' longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support."
Lt. Col. Travis Walters, Texas Military Department state public affairs officer, told CNN the state is "awaiting additional guidance from the Department of Defense and President regarding the border."
"At this point we are in the very early planning stages," he said.

Quote:Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey responded on Twitter that his state "welcomes this enhanced security," and that he appreciated the opportunity to discuss the plan with Nielsen as well as Abbott, Martinez and California's Gov. Jerry Brown.

Quote:Some governors from other states indicated they would resist any attempt to send National Guard troops from their states, if asked by the administration.
Mary-Sarah Kinner, the communications director for Nevada Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, said in a statement to CNN that the governor "does not think this would be an appropriate use of the Nevada National Guard," adding that the Trump administration has "not been in touch with" the governor's office about the deployment plan.
Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Wednesday that if the President asked her to deploy guard troops to the border she would reject the request. "As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border," she said.

The offices of other governors indicated their support.
Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchison tweeted: "I just spoke with @SecNielsen of @DHSgov. I informed the Trump Administration that the Arkansas National Guard will support @POTUS's effort to increase border security."
"We have done this before, and the technical support of the @arkansasguard will add to our nation's security at an important time. I appreciate General Berry and ANG soldiers for their service."

Quote:The office of Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement to CNN that if the President asks for the state's help, the governor "will work with Adjutant General of the Alabama National Guard to see what resources are available without impeding missions here at home, and then make a determination."

Does Nevada and Oregon see the Mexican border as a "death trap" for their troops or "less than" a flood or tornado?

(04-06-2018 01:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 10:53 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Unless Trump "federalizes" the troops, the respective Governors have the right to decline to send them.

This should be interesting

So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

Quote:Some governors responded enthusiastically to President Donald Trump's plan to send the National Guard to the southern border, while others criticized it and suggested they would not comply if directed to send troops from their states.
The governors of the border states of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona -- all Republicans -- expressed their support. But the office of the California governor, a Democrat, did not indicate to CNN whether the governor would back deploying Guard troops.

Quote:Mike Lonergan, a spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, told CNN the governor "​appreciates the administration's efforts to bring states to the table as they go about taking steps to better secure our border." Lonergan added that the governor "fully" supports the men and women of the New Mexico National Guard "in any mission -- state or federal at home or abroad."

In a news release Wednesday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the Trump administration directive "reinforces Texas' longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support."
Lt. Col. Travis Walters, Texas Military Department state public affairs officer, told CNN the state is "awaiting additional guidance from the Department of Defense and President regarding the border."
"At this point we are in the very early planning stages," he said.

Quote:Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey responded on Twitter that his state "welcomes this enhanced security," and that he appreciated the opportunity to discuss the plan with Nielsen as well as Abbott, Martinez and California's Gov. Jerry Brown.

Quote:Some governors from other states indicated they would resist any attempt to send National Guard troops from their states, if asked by the administration.
Mary-Sarah Kinner, the communications director for Nevada Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, said in a statement to CNN that the governor "does not think this would be an appropriate use of the Nevada National Guard," adding that the Trump administration has "not been in touch with" the governor's office about the deployment plan.
Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Wednesday that if the President asked her to deploy guard troops to the border she would reject the request. "As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border," she said.

The offices of other governors indicated their support.
Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchison tweeted: "I just spoke with @SecNielsen of @DHSgov. I informed the Trump Administration that the Arkansas National Guard will support @POTUS's effort to increase border security."
"We have done this before, and the technical support of the @arkansasguard will add to our nation's security at an important time. I appreciate General Berry and ANG soldiers for their service."

Quote:The office of Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement to CNN that if the President asks for the state's help, the governor "will work with Adjutant General of the Alabama National Guard to see what resources are available without impeding missions here at home, and then make a determination."

Does Nevada and Oregon see the Mexican border as a "death trap" for their troops or "less than" a flood or tornado?

Good Lord! spoken like a real politician. Translation: I'm gonna see how popular or unpopular this thing is with my voters before making any decision"

(04-06-2018 03:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 10:53 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Unless Trump "federalizes" the troops, the respective Governors have the right to decline to send them.

This should be interesting

So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

Quote:Some governors responded enthusiastically to President Donald Trump's plan to send the National Guard to the southern border, while others criticized it and suggested they would not comply if directed to send troops from their states.
The governors of the border states of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona -- all Republicans -- expressed their support. But the office of the California governor, a Democrat, did not indicate to CNN whether the governor would back deploying Guard troops.

Quote:Mike Lonergan, a spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, told CNN the governor "​appreciates the administration's efforts to bring states to the table as they go about taking steps to better secure our border." Lonergan added that the governor "fully" supports the men and women of the New Mexico National Guard "in any mission -- state or federal at home or abroad."

In a news release Wednesday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the Trump administration directive "reinforces Texas' longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support."
Lt. Col. Travis Walters, Texas Military Department state public affairs officer, told CNN the state is "awaiting additional guidance from the Department of Defense and President regarding the border."
"At this point we are in the very early planning stages," he said.

Quote:Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey responded on Twitter that his state "welcomes this enhanced security," and that he appreciated the opportunity to discuss the plan with Nielsen as well as Abbott, Martinez and California's Gov. Jerry Brown.

Quote:Some governors from other states indicated they would resist any attempt to send National Guard troops from their states, if asked by the administration.
Mary-Sarah Kinner, the communications director for Nevada Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, said in a statement to CNN that the governor "does not think this would be an appropriate use of the Nevada National Guard," adding that the Trump administration has "not been in touch with" the governor's office about the deployment plan.
Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Wednesday that if the President asked her to deploy guard troops to the border she would reject the request. "As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border," she said.

The offices of other governors indicated their support.
Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchison tweeted: "I just spoke with @SecNielsen of @DHSgov. I informed the Trump Administration that the Arkansas National Guard will support @POTUS's effort to increase border security."
"We have done this before, and the technical support of the @arkansasguard will add to our nation's security at an important time. I appreciate General Berry and ANG soldiers for their service."

Quote:The office of Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement to CNN that if the President asks for the state's help, the governor "will work with Adjutant General of the Alabama National Guard to see what resources are available without impeding missions here at home, and then make a determination."

Does Nevada and Oregon see the Mexican border as a "death trap" for their troops or "less than" a flood or tornado?

Good Lord! spoken like a real politician. Translation: I'm gonna see how popular or unpopular this thing is with my voters before making any decision"

Or to those of us who understand what sort of missions that the Guard does it means hurricane season is just about upon us and before we commit to anything we need to determine what we can afford to send without putting us in a possible bind

But I'm sure it's more your hyper-partisan take on things.

(04-06-2018 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 10:53 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Unless Trump "federalizes" the troops, the respective Governors have the right to decline to send them.

This should be interesting

So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

Quote:Some governors responded enthusiastically to President Donald Trump's plan to send the National Guard to the southern border, while others criticized it and suggested they would not comply if directed to send troops from their states.
The governors of the border states of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona -- all Republicans -- expressed their support. But the office of the California governor, a Democrat, did not indicate to CNN whether the governor would back deploying Guard troops.

Quote:Mike Lonergan, a spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, told CNN the governor "​appreciates the administration's efforts to bring states to the table as they go about taking steps to better secure our border." Lonergan added that the governor "fully" supports the men and women of the New Mexico National Guard "in any mission -- state or federal at home or abroad."

In a news release Wednesday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the Trump administration directive "reinforces Texas' longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support."
Lt. Col. Travis Walters, Texas Military Department state public affairs officer, told CNN the state is "awaiting additional guidance from the Department of Defense and President regarding the border."
"At this point we are in the very early planning stages," he said.

Quote:Arizona's Gov. Doug Ducey responded on Twitter that his state "welcomes this enhanced security," and that he appreciated the opportunity to discuss the plan with Nielsen as well as Abbott, Martinez and California's Gov. Jerry Brown.

Quote:Some governors from other states indicated they would resist any attempt to send National Guard troops from their states, if asked by the administration.
Mary-Sarah Kinner, the communications director for Nevada Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, said in a statement to CNN that the governor "does not think this would be an appropriate use of the Nevada National Guard," adding that the Trump administration has "not been in touch with" the governor's office about the deployment plan.
Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Wednesday that if the President asked her to deploy guard troops to the border she would reject the request. "As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border," she said.

The offices of other governors indicated their support.
Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchison tweeted: "I just spoke with @SecNielsen of @DHSgov. I informed the Trump Administration that the Arkansas National Guard will support @POTUS's effort to increase border security."
"We have done this before, and the technical support of the @arkansasguard will add to our nation's security at an important time. I appreciate General Berry and ANG soldiers for their service."

Quote:The office of Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement to CNN that if the President asks for the state's help, the governor "will work with Adjutant General of the Alabama National Guard to see what resources are available without impeding missions here at home, and then make a determination."

Does Nevada and Oregon see the Mexican border as a "death trap" for their troops or "less than" a flood or tornado?

Good Lord! spoken like a real politician. Translation: I'm gonna see how popular or unpopular this thing is with my voters before making any decision"

Or to those of us who understand what sort of missions that the Guard does it means hurricane season is just about upon us and before we commit to anything we need to determine what we can afford to send without putting us in a possible bind

But I'm sure it's more your hyper-partisan take on things.

Not partisan at all. Just anti-politician.

Your argument is pretty lame. No way to really know what your needs will be in Hurricane season.
If it were that simple, why not just say it instead of beating around the bush?

(04-06-2018 04:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 01:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  So far the only Governors who hasn't responded positively have been your fellow socialists and Sandoval of Nevada.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/05/politics/...index.html

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Does Nevada and Oregon see the Mexican border as a "death trap" for their troops or "less than" a flood or tornado?

Good Lord! spoken like a real politician. Translation: I'm gonna see how popular or unpopular this thing is with my voters before making any decision"

Or to those of us who understand what sort of missions that the Guard does it means hurricane season is just about upon us and before we commit to anything we need to determine what we can afford to send without putting us in a possible bind

But I'm sure it's more your hyper-partisan take on things.

Not partisan at all. Just anti-politician.

Bull ****

Quote: Your argument is pretty lame. No way to really know what your needs will be in Hurricane season.
If it were that simple, why not just say it instead of beating around the bush?

Sure it is if your Guard has defined missions during hurricane recovery efforts.

And you don't "just say that" because you don't know what prior commitments the Guard already has as far as training, scheduled deployments, etc. when the question is posed to you by the reporter. There are Guard units attached to regular Army and Air Force units when they are deployed every day. There's Guard units deployed with my son's regular Army unit in Kuwait, the guy up the street who is in the SC Guard is in Europe right now, my second cousin who lives in Tennessee will leave in May to gear up for a deployment to eastern Europe later in the year, so on and so forth.

(04-04-2018 03:31 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Can one of you guys with military experience explain how this works with posse comitatus? I know that the past few presidents have used the national guard for boarder protection but I thought that posse comitatus prevented using the military from enforcing domestic policies. Or does the president have the sole authority to override it?

Can someone explain how defending the border from illegal incursions is not a direct military function? They aren’t being sent in to police US citizens or enforce US laws. They are being sent in to protect areas of the country from infiltration of foreign nationals across areas that are not recognized border crossing areas. I’m not so sure posse comitatus necessarily applies. I mean, by the definition currently used, the army could not defend the US against an invasion by a guerrilla force from AlQuida. Seems a little silly.

(04-06-2018 10:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 03:31 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Can one of you guys with military experience explain how this works with posse comitatus? I know that the past few presidents have used the national guard for boarder protection but I thought that posse comitatus prevented using the military from enforcing domestic policies. Or does the president have the sole authority to override it?

Can someone explain how defending the border from illegal incursions is not a direct military function? They aren’t being sent in to police US citizens or enforce US laws. They are being sent in to protect areas of the country from infiltration of foreign nationals across areas that are not recognized border crossing areas. I’m not so sure posse comitatus necessarily applies. I mean, by the definition currently used, the army could not defend the US against an invasion by a guerrilla force from AlQuida. Seems a little silly.

There is a way to use the military without any issue. Simply declare a swath inside the border to be a military reservation. Fence it off and post it as such..just like is done everywhere the military has assets in the US. At that point the security of that reservation belongs solely to that military.

http://www.wistv.com/story/37915550/sout...r-to-texas

Quote: South Carolina's governor is offering to send some of his state's National Guard troops to Texas to help fight illegal immigration and drug trafficking along the Mexican border.

Quote:But McMaster told The Associated Press his offer Monday to Republican Texas Gov. Greg Abbott was not political. Instead he says it's just one state helping another, like other states help South Carolina after hurricanes.

Quote:McMaster says he plans to make a similar offer to Arizona's Republican governor.