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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-11-2018 10:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
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(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.

You know, in looking that move over again, I'm shocked the Utah was picked instead of BYU there...BYU would've made far more sense.

Utah is a public university that is far easier to work with. This alone made them far more desirable than BYU. Additionally, Utah had played for a National Championship in basketball in the prior 15 years and won a BCS game in football. Good athletic success combined with a much easier school to work with made them a far more desirable school.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-11-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.

I'm inclined to agree regarding Hatch; more of a political sideshow at the time. With that said, UC could certainly use more support politically in Columbus. If an economic impact study was done on the effect of a second P5 in a state the size of Ohio it would be an eye opener for many. UC measures up and ultimately the same attributes that made Utah attractive to the Pac 12 may clear a pathway for UC. West Virginia could still use a contiguous partner in the B12; Louisviile and Pitt could bridge the Ohio Valley with Cincy and the ACC could own a big share of this turf.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-11-2018 11:00 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 10:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.

You know, in looking that move over again, I'm shocked the Utah was picked instead of BYU there...BYU would've made far more sense.

Utah is a public university that is far easier to work with. This alone made them far more desirable than BYU. Additionally, Utah had played for a National Championship in basketball in the prior 15 years and won a BCS game in football. Good athletic success combined with a much easier school to work with made them a far more desirable school.

I was thinking more about the eyeballs part of the discussion. Being public vs. private doesn't matter at all...the Mormon Code with regards to Sunday play is the big sticking point.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-11-2018 10:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.

You know, in looking that move over again, I'm shocked the Utah was picked instead of BYU there...BYU would've made far more sense.

BYU is a poison pill for the academic bloc in the PAC. They'll never allow it in in a million years.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
In other news, UC will not raise tuition next year.

Interesting....
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-18-2018 07:25 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news, UC will not raise tuition next year.

Interesting....

State Mandate...because not raising state aid for schools, forcing them to teach courses at discounted rates to high schools (but maintain the same pay to instructors), and forcing them to not raise tuition makes total economic sense to the goons in the state house.
 
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There is a LOT of waste that can be trimmed at any state university, almost as much as could be trimmed at the state house.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-18-2018 07:46 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 07:25 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news, UC will not raise tuition next year.

Interesting....

State Mandate...because not raising state aid for schools, forcing them to teach courses at discounted rates to high schools (but maintain the same pay to instructors), and forcing them to not raise tuition makes total economic sense to the goons in the state house.

The colleges also pay for the students to take an SAT/ACT test and cover all course and material fees. Public HS's have to pick up the textbooks cost. The state's been bending over K12 for a few decades with unfunded mandates. Higher Ed is just now getting in on that joy.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
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(04-07-2018 02:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  The plan is easy for MBB:

Shell out money for a proven head coach, hire him, let him recruit, win, and the money flows in.

It isn't rocket science.

Calipari proved it could be done that way when he was at Memphis, Pitino proved it at UL, Donovan proved it at Florida, Martin proved it at USC.

It happens all the time.

Mick does win. Maybe not enough in the tournament for some folks but overall he wins. Can we a least see how the program does with new arena before going crazy. This board and another UC board has gone nuts after the Nevada game. The basketball team just finished #12 in the final poll, which is the highest ranking in a long time. They won the conference regular season and tournament championship in a league that finished with two other ranked teams. Our cross-town rival didn't beat a single ranked team in league play all year and still earned a one seed.

The basketball team is still a great source of pride for the university. They win a lot games and do it while players represent the university in a way that pays respect to those that earned our degrees from the University of Cincinnati.

Mick wins games but who does he beat? Buffalo? Small directional schools that are just collecting a check? We know one team he can't beat is Xavier.

Didn't know UCLA, Kansas State, Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Louisville, Villanova, Texas, and Iowa State were directional schools.
As for Xu, then why'd we beat them the previous season?
But of course, it's all on Cronin. Ignore reality and reduce everything to "If our head coach was such and such person, we'd magically land nothing but McDonalds All Americans, have displays decked out in nothing but Championship trophies and be in an elite conference as well!"... Addendum: "and we'd all wake up with multiple bisexual, open minded playmate wives, no kids, millions in the bank, with a vacation home in Monaco!"

Jesus. Do you people listen to yourselves? We lost by two. It happens. These are teenage/20 something year old kids playing a game. They're not that consistent, they weren't that consistent under the previous guy or any of the ones before him, and they're not going to be consistent under whoever else you hire.

That's college basketball, GTFO it. 03-lmfao

Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games. That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.

Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

I’m all for fixing penetration problems. Andy would be with me on this
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-18-2018 08:04 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  There is a LOT of waste that can be trimmed at any state university or university with a large endowment, almost as much as could be trimmed at the state house.


FIFY. It's not just state universities that have a lot of fat to trim.

Any industry that has had 30 years of double-digit revenue increases tends to have bloated bureaucracies. US universities today are similar to the US auto industry in the 1980s.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
(04-25-2018 12:17 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 08:04 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  There is a LOT of waste that can be trimmed at any state university or university with a large endowment, almost as much as could be trimmed at the state house.


FIFY. It's not just state universities that have a lot of fat to trim.

Any industry that has had 30 years of double-digit revenue increases tends to have bloated bureaucracies. US universities today are similar to the US auto industry in the 1980s.

This is true. Everyone points to declining state support as a reason for high tuition, but it's only one of the three major reasons with the other two being athletic subsidies and administrative bloat. Research universities have layers and layers of mid-level execs who make more money than full professors.
 
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