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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
It's a double edged sword. You might hit a home run, you might strike out. For an AD who is playing with a bad deck, it's not worth the risk.
 
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Will the subsidies get worse when they war chest from the Big East split dries up? Doesn't that end this year or next year?

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(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 10:30 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(04-08-2018 12:59 PM)Blitz0921 Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 03:22 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
(04-07-2018 02:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  The plan is easy for MBB:

Shell out money for a proven head coach, hire him, let him recruit, win, and the money flows in.

It isn't rocket science.

Calipari proved it could be done that way when he was at Memphis, Pitino proved it at UL, Donovan proved it at Florida, Martin proved it at USC.

It happens all the time.

Mick does win. Maybe not enough in the tournament for some folks but overall he wins. Can we a least see how the program does with new arena before going crazy. This board and another UC board has gone nuts after the Nevada game. The basketball team just finished #12 in the final poll, which is the highest ranking in a long time. They won the conference regular season and tournament championship in a league that finished with two other ranked teams. Our cross-town rival didn't beat a single ranked team in league play all year and still earned a one seed.

The basketball team is still a great source of pride for the university. They win a lot games and do it while players represent the university in a way that pays respect to those that earned our degrees from the University of Cincinnati.

Mick wins games but who does he beat? Buffalo? Small directional schools that are just collecting a check? We know one team he can't beat is Xavier.

Didn't know UCLA, Kansas State, Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Louisville, Villanova, Texas, and Iowa State were directional schools.
As for Xu, then why'd we beat them the previous season?
But of course, it's all on Cronin. Ignore reality and reduce everything to "If our head coach was such and such person, we'd magically land nothing but McDonalds All Americans, have displays decked out in nothing but Championship trophies and be in an elite conference as well!"... Addendum: "and we'd all wake up with multiple bisexual, open minded playmate wives, no kids, millions in the bank, with a vacation home in Monaco!"

Jesus. Do you people listen to yourselves? We lost by two. It happens. These are teenage/20 something year old kids playing a game. They're not that consistent, they weren't that consistent under the previous guy or any of the ones before him, and they're not going to be consistent under whoever else you hire.

That's college basketball, GTFO it. 03-lmfao

Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games. That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.

Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

THIS!

At this point I'm just pointing to the scoreboard.

There's an over abundance of data that suggest our HC is meh in the post season. The onus at this point isn't on those of us who doubt his post season/ crunch time prowess, it's on those that believe in it.





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(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games.

Over 13 years he's beaten Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, Louisville, UCLA, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas etc. The dude asked who he's beaten, that's who he's beaten. He had a winning conference record multiple years in a row during the height of the Big East. That's not "cherry picking". He said we can't beat Xavier, we have beaten Xavier in the last 13 years. You're the only one bringing up the last "13 years".



Quote:That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.


This past post season tells you the post season is a crap shoot.




Quote:Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

13 years of straight post season trips? Did you miss the part where he had to rebuild from scratch? As for never, if we go out looking exclusively for "post-season success", I think you're going to crater what we have right now. The post season is a crap shoot and recruiting here isn't the same as recruiting at other schools, in other conferences.
 
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RE: TNR: UC's Four Year Athletic Defecit $102M
How did this thread evolve into a discussion about how great/bad Mick Cronin is? Shouldn't this be moved into a different thread?
 
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(04-09-2018 01:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  How did this thread evolve into a discussion about how great/bad Mick Cronin is? Shouldn't this be moved into a different thread?

Obviously Cronin's contract is what is killing UC, duh.
 
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(04-09-2018 01:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  How did this thread evolve into a discussion about how great/bad Mick Cronin is? Shouldn't this be moved into a different thread?

Because Nevada broke our fanbase.
 
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(04-09-2018 01:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  How did this thread evolve into a discussion about how great/bad Mick Cronin is? Shouldn't this be moved into a different thread?

fair point.



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(04-05-2018 07:15 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-04-2018 11:15 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(04-04-2018 08:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  XU axed FB long ago and runs a leaner AD with one successful revenue sport. They get along just fine with a substantially smaller student body and a disproportionate share of success. It's a better model for them.

My man, XU pays more than UC on a per student basis in fees to subsidize athletics when accounting the same way. And talk about lack of transparency. They aren’t required to disclose anything. At least any UC student could look at the multitude of sites that aggregate athletics data or even do a public records request and get answers. XU can tell their students to eff off.

They have more success/$ spent by having dumped FB.

Of the 100 largest public institutions (by number of graduates per year), 75 have FBS football. Of the other 25:

George Mason
VCU
Northern Arizona
Grand Valley State
Illinois State
James Madison
Portland State
Middle Tennessee State
Delaware
IUPUI
Stony Brook
Old Dominion
13 in California (6 UCs and 7 CSUs)

Is that a list of UC's peer group? Because if we drop football, that's the list of schools we'll be associated with in most people's minds.
 
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(04-09-2018 04:56 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 07:15 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  They have more success/$ spent by having dumped FB.

Of the 100 largest public institutions (by number of graduates per year), 75 have FBS football. Of the other 25:

George Mason
VCU
Northern Arizona
Grand Valley State
Illinois State
James Madison
Portland State
Middle Tennessee State
Delaware
IUPUI
Stony Brook
Old Dominion
13 in California (6 UCs and 7 CSUs)

Is that a list of UC's peer group? Because if we drop football, that's the list of schools we'll be associated with in most people's minds.

MTSU plays football in CUSA.
 
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(04-09-2018 04:56 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 07:15 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-04-2018 11:15 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(04-04-2018 08:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  XU axed FB long ago and runs a leaner AD with one successful revenue sport. They get along just fine with a substantially smaller student body and a disproportionate share of success. It's a better model for them.

My man, XU pays more than UC on a per student basis in fees to subsidize athletics when accounting the same way. And talk about lack of transparency. They aren’t required to disclose anything. At least any UC student could look at the multitude of sites that aggregate athletics data or even do a public records request and get answers. XU can tell their students to eff off.

They have more success/$ spent by having dumped FB.

Of the 100 largest public institutions (by number of graduates per year), 75 have FBS football. Of the other 25:

George Mason
VCU
Northern Arizona
Grand Valley State
Illinois State
James Madison
Portland State
Middle Tennessee State
Delaware
IUPUI
Stony Brook
Old Dominion
13 in California (6 UCs and 7 CSUs)

Is that a list of UC's peer group? Because if we drop football, that's the list of schools we'll be associated with in most people's minds.

It's much better to keep our crappy FB...at any cost.
 
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(04-09-2018 01:04 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games.

Over 13 years he's beaten Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, Louisville, UCLA, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas etc. The dude asked who he's beaten, that's who he's beaten. He had a winning conference record multiple years in a row during the height of the Big East. That's not "cherry picking". He said we can't beat Xavier, we have beaten Xavier in the last 13 years. You're the only one bringing up the last "13 years".



Quote:That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.


This past post season tells you the post season is a crap shoot.




Quote:Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

13 years of straight post season trips? Did you miss the part where he had to rebuild from scratch? As for never, if we go out looking exclusively for "post-season success", I think you're going to crater what we have right now. The post season is a crap shoot and recruiting here isn't the same as recruiting at other schools, in other conferences.

Hmmm....Huggins recruited to questionable conferences no problem...that's one point shot down.

"The post-season is a crap shoot" maybe one or 2 seasons you could ascribe to luck, but 13 years of futility isn't "luck" it's a TREND based on a long RECORD. Try with tossing a coin...you might want "heads" on one or 2 flips and miss out, but if you toss the coin enough times, it will work out 50/50. Mick ain't even close to 10% on post-season penetration.

Second point shot down.

Our record against XU under Cronin is ABYSMAL over nearly a decade and a half....yes, he's beaten them in that span....so has UD. Upsets happen....a long record isn't the sign of serial "upsets".

Just look at Cronin's record against top 25 since he's been here--it's well under 40%. That's poor, and sustained, and REAL.

Quit the mindless cheerleading for Cronin and look at the bigger picture.

We need a change at HC...we need to put $$ into a good hire...we need to put butts in the seats in the new arena, or the day of fiscal reckoning for the AD will draw closer and closer.

Game....set....match.
 
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(04-09-2018 09:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:04 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games.

Over 13 years he's beaten Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, Louisville, UCLA, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas etc. The dude asked who he's beaten, that's who he's beaten. He had a winning conference record multiple years in a row during the height of the Big East. That's not "cherry picking". He said we can't beat Xavier, we have beaten Xavier in the last 13 years. You're the only one bringing up the last "13 years".



Quote:That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.


This past post season tells you the post season is a crap shoot.




Quote:Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

13 years of straight post season trips? Did you miss the part where he had to rebuild from scratch? As for never, if we go out looking exclusively for "post-season success", I think you're going to crater what we have right now. The post season is a crap shoot and recruiting here isn't the same as recruiting at other schools, in other conferences.

Hmmm....Huggins recruited to questionable conferences no problem...that's one point shot down.

"The post-season is a crap shoot" maybe one or 2 seasons you could ascribe to luck, but 13 years of futility isn't "luck" it's a TREND based on a long RECORD. Try with tossing a coin...you might want "heads" on one or 2 flips and miss out, but if you toss the coin enough times, it will work out 50/50. Mick ain't even close to 10% on post-season penetration.

Second point shot down.

Our record against XU under Cronin is ABYSMAL over nearly a decade and a half....yes, he's beaten them in that span....so has UD. Upsets happen....a long record isn't the sign of serial "upsets".

Just look at Cronin's record against top 25 since he's been here--it's well under 40%. That's poor, and sustained, and REAL.

Quit the mindless cheerleading for Cronin and look at the bigger picture.

We need a change at HC...we need to put $$ into a good hire...we need to put butts in the seats in the new arena, or the day of fiscal reckoning for the AD will draw closer and closer.

Game....set....match.

We should just drop basketball .....focus on football and baseball
 
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(04-09-2018 09:47 PM)uchoops Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:00 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:04 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 07:20 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Way to cherry pick--the beef is over the 13-year record, not isolated games.

Over 13 years he's beaten Xavier, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, Louisville, UCLA, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas etc. The dude asked who he's beaten, that's who he's beaten. He had a winning conference record multiple years in a row during the height of the Big East. That's not "cherry picking". He said we can't beat Xavier, we have beaten Xavier in the last 13 years. You're the only one bringing up the last "13 years".



Quote:That tells you more about the coach than a single game or single season. Mick's record in the post-season is crystal clear...he does not penetrate.


This past post season tells you the post season is a crap shoot.




Quote:Those who are upset with 13 years of post-season mediocrity are simply asking:

"can we try something else now?"

Apparently your end of the argument is saying "Never!!"

13 years of straight post season trips? Did you miss the part where he had to rebuild from scratch? As for never, if we go out looking exclusively for "post-season success", I think you're going to crater what we have right now. The post season is a crap shoot and recruiting here isn't the same as recruiting at other schools, in other conferences.

Hmmm....Huggins recruited to questionable conferences no problem...that's one point shot down.

"The post-season is a crap shoot" maybe one or 2 seasons you could ascribe to luck, but 13 years of futility isn't "luck" it's a TREND based on a long RECORD. Try with tossing a coin...you might want "heads" on one or 2 flips and miss out, but if you toss the coin enough times, it will work out 50/50. Mick ain't even close to 10% on post-season penetration.

Second point shot down.

Our record against XU under Cronin is ABYSMAL over nearly a decade and a half....yes, he's beaten them in that span....so has UD. Upsets happen....a long record isn't the sign of serial "upsets".

Just look at Cronin's record against top 25 since he's been here--it's well under 40%. That's poor, and sustained, and REAL.

Quit the mindless cheerleading for Cronin and look at the bigger picture.

We need a change at HC...we need to put $$ into a good hire...we need to put butts in the seats in the new arena, or the day of fiscal reckoning for the AD will draw closer and closer.

Game....set....match.

We should just drop basketball .....focus on football and baseball

If you are married to Cronin as permanent HC...you should drop MBB.

Note that when most schools drop a revenue sport it's invariably FB due to the high expense and the low return. That should tell you something.
 
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The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html
 
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(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.
 
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Reading this Cleveland.com article a little further, if anyone might have a beef it is the students at Wright State and Cleveland State. Does anyone care about their athletic programs? WSU had $12.75M in expenses, yet only garnered $320,198 in ticket revenue and $469,715 in donations. Cleveland State has $13M in expenses, yet only $114,648 in ticket revenue and $605,410 in contributions.

What's interesting is that some argue that UC should drop its football program to curtail the burden on students, but note that neither of these schools have a FB program.
 
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(04-11-2018 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Reading this Cleveland.com article a little further, if anyone might have a beef it is the students at Wright State and Cleveland State. Does anyone care about their athletic programs? WSU had $12.75M in expenses, yet only garnered $320,198 in ticket revenue and $469,715 in donations. Cleveland State has $13M in expenses, yet only $114,648 in ticket revenue and $605,410 in contributions.

What's interesting is that some argue that UC should drop its football program to curtail the burden on students, but note that neither of these schools have a FB program.

Wright State likely won't survive as an institution into the 2030's in the current budgetary trajectory. With the athletics and their State Department fines because of the H1-B fiasco with their old administration, they have absolutely no cash reserves, and they're currently running in the red between $8M-$10M/year.
 
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(04-11-2018 08:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.
 
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(04-11-2018 10:33 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-11-2018 08:36 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  The Plain Dealer has been pushing this for a few years now. UC doesn't look great, but the subsidy is under 50% of the budget now. I've long maintained that subsidies are eventually going to become an issue in the legislature, particularly if they become linked with high tuition in the eyes of the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/...ports.html

Maybe someone in the legislature should pull a Orrin Hatch and aid UC's cause to get into a power conference. An additional $30M in media revenue, a larger share of the CFP money and shares of larger bowl and NCAAT money would go a long way into reducing the amount of subsidies burdened on the university.

Two thoughts. Utah didn't have a bcs/p5 school at the time and Hatch''s grandstanding and antitrust talk had zip to do with Utah threading the needle. The PAC needed a regional partner and potential rival to come in with Colorado. That determined Utah''s good fortune more than a hundred politicians.

You know, in looking that move over again, I'm shocked the Utah was picked instead of BYU there...BYU would've made far more sense.
 
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