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Can't believe Dooley believes he can turn ECU basketball around. This is a program who only has 2 NCAA appearance and no NIT appearances. Dooley has just entered the worst dead end basketball jobs in the country. I give him five years.
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(04-04-2018 06:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Can't believe Dooley believes he can turn ECU basketball around. This is a program who only has 2 NCAA appearance and no NIT appearances. Dooley has just entered the worst dead end basketball jobs in the country. I give him five years.


Oh N.C. State fan..... how to do less with more university
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(04-04-2018 06:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Serious, non-snarky question: Is there a worse job in the P5 + Big East + AAC than ECU?

Hmm...

Tulane is kind of a scary job - but the school has recently built an on-campus basketball facility and updated the small arena. The problem at Tulane is that Cincy, Memphis, Houston, WSU, and UConn are all in your conference. Investment alone is not enough - Tulane would have to return to the 1980s if they want to win. The expectations are realistic, however - if you don't royally suck then you keep your job. IF you manage to churn some NIT berths with the occasional NCAA showing you will be remembered for decades by alumni.

Boston College sounds appealing (good metro, decent tradition, elite conference), but they are not a big program per ACC standards... ...and holy *$%^ are there a lot of top-end programs between BC and a strong ACC finish.

Northwestern is not as bad as you'd think if you add up all the factors. B1G is pretty deep, though - and they really were a nightmare for a long damn time.

DePaul was once good (1980s-1990s) and in is a LOVELY recruiting area. The problem is that the conference is ridiculous, and DePaul isn't exactly super-rich when compared to other good Big East teams. It's a super duper high-risk job - but if you somehow manage to consistently win you are a legend. I imagine that if you take this job there will be a bit of rope - which is good.

Penn State is actually a poor hoops job in that you really don't "matter". It's a football school, and you'd have to go on a silly run to garner long-term attention. PSU has a number of rather stupid losses over the years, but they do have money IF they want to be good at squeaky shoes...

All five jobs have wonderfully high ceilings, but they are all so freaking risky that they are trap jobs.
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(04-04-2018 06:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Serious, non-snarky question: Is there a worse job in the P5 + Big East + AAC than ECU?


Boston College, Rutgers, Nebraska among others. Wake has history but they are becoming ECU level.
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(04-04-2018 06:26 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Serious, non-snarky question: Is there a worse job in the P5 + Big East + AAC than ECU?


Boston College, Rutgers, Nebraska among others. Wake has history but they are becoming ECU level.

BC worse than ECU? That's absurd.
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(04-05-2018 06:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  BC worse than ECU? That's absurd.

Well, recruiting to Boston College is probably a lot easier, but in terms of pay and likelihood of actually building a winner, I'd think ECU is the better option.

Which goes further: $1.2 million in Boston or $900k in Greenville? (Apr 26, 2016 - The other highly newsworthy nugget to come out of the Form 990 filing was the compensation of men's basketball coach Jim Christian, which was revealed for the first time: $1,140,225, including a base salary of $930,215. )

Where it is easier to actually win? BC where you go through the ACC juggernaut or the ECU, where you've got more beatable teams on the schedule?
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(04-05-2018 07:12 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 06:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  BC worse than ECU? That's absurd.

Well, recruiting to Boston College is probably a lot easier, but in terms of pay and likelihood of actually building a winner, I'd think ECU is the better option.

Which goes further: $1.2 million in Boston or $900k in Greenville? (Apr 26, 2016 - The other highly newsworthy nugget to come out of the Form 990 filing was the compensation of men's basketball coach Jim Christian, which was revealed for the first time: $1,140,225, including a base salary of $930,215. )

Where it is easier to actually win? BC where you go through the ACC juggernaut or the ECU, where you've got more beatable teams on the schedule?

BC has won championships in the Big East. It's not the easiest job to be sure, but it's been shown that you can win there. They have 9 times the NCAA tournament appearances that ECU has.
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(04-04-2018 06:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Can't believe Dooley believes he can turn ECU basketball around. This is a program who only has 2 NCAA appearance and no NIT appearances. Dooley has just entered the worst dead end basketball jobs in the country. I give him five years.

Actually, all he has to do is convince one or two of the local kids to stay home and ECU is an automatic contender.

Our conference doesn't hold us back anymore and we've finally started devoting resources to basketball.
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ECU has a lot of potential. They wear the underdog hat very well. With the right coach they could be like a VCU with Shaka Smart. A lot also depends on the staff he can put together. You need a great recruiter and a great X/Os guy.

Uconn rehired Edsall for football 7 years after he left.
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Rutgers--a school with a Final Four in its collection and whose only significant competition in-state is Seton Hall--is not a worse job than ECU.

The only job that might be worse among those leagues would be Northwestern, right? The only other one with such a prolonged lack of success? They also wear purple?
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(04-05-2018 01:44 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Rutgers--a school with a Final Four in its collection and whose only significant competition in-state is Seton Hall--is not a worse job than ECU.

The only job that might be worse among those leagues would be Northwestern, right? The only other one with such a prolonged lack of success? They also wear purple?

And yet NYC and Chicago are both prime recruiting markets for basketball.
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(04-05-2018 01:44 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Rutgers--a school with a Final Four in its collection and whose only significant competition in-state is Seton Hall--is not a worse job than ECU.

The only job that might be worse among those leagues would be Northwestern, right? The only other one with such a prolonged lack of success? They also wear purple?

Northwestern’s new arena opening next year might change things. Big difference from the wooden bleachers of old Welsh-Ryan.
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Back to OP, is there really no other instance of a D1 06-basketball coach getting hired to come back to a school he had already coached at before? It seems surprising, particularly considering how much it has happened in CFB over the years.
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^ To your point it's kind of fitting that a school known for their football would be the first to do it.
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(04-05-2018 03:32 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  Back to OP, is there really no other instance of a D1 06-basketball coach getting hired to come back to a school he had already coached at before? It seems surprising, particularly considering how much it has happened in CFB over the years.

That confirmed? I can think of a couple instances in football without trying hard. Seems odd it hasn't happened in hoops.
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(04-05-2018 03:32 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  Back to OP, is there really no other instance of a D1 06-basketball coach getting hired to come back to a school he had already coached at before? It seems surprising, particularly considering how much it has happened in CFB over the years.

Lou Hensen
Lou took NM ST to final 4, left for Illinois and came back to NM St where he retired. His salary at NM St? $1 per year.
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(04-05-2018 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 03:32 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  Back to OP, is there really no other instance of a D1 06-basketball coach getting hired to come back to a school he had already coached at before? It seems surprising, particularly considering how much it has happened in CFB over the years.

Lou Hensen
Lou took NM ST to final 4, left for Illinois and came back to NM St where he retired. His salary at NM St? $1 per year.

Good call but is JD the 1st to do it after being canned the 1st go-round?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Henson
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(04-05-2018 05:15 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 04:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 03:32 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  Back to OP, is there really no other instance of a D1 06-basketball coach getting hired to come back to a school he had already coached at before? It seems surprising, particularly considering how much it has happened in CFB over the years.

Lou Hensen
Lou took NM ST to final 4, left for Illinois and came back to NM St where he retired. His salary at NM St? $1 per year.

Good call but is JD the 1st to do it after being canned the 1st go-round?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Henson

Still looking....
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(04-05-2018 08:32 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 07:12 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 06:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  BC worse than ECU? That's absurd.

Well, recruiting to Boston College is probably a lot easier, but in terms of pay and likelihood of actually building a winner, I'd think ECU is the better option.

Which goes further: $1.2 million in Boston or $900k in Greenville? (Apr 26, 2016 - The other highly newsworthy nugget to come out of the Form 990 filing was the compensation of men's basketball coach Jim Christian, which was revealed for the first time: $1,140,225, including a base salary of $930,215. )

Where it is easier to actually win? BC where you go through the ACC juggernaut or the ECU, where you've got more beatable teams on the schedule?

BC has won championships in the Big East. It's not the easiest job to be sure, but it's been shown that you can win there. They have 9 times the NCAA tournament appearances that ECU has.

A coach can win at ECU. All that had to happen was that a commitment had to be made by the school. There is plenty of talent right around the ECU campus that could make them competitive almost right away, but if the university never gave a damn about getting better then it didn't matter. ECU has clearly made a decision to get better at basketball. They have rehired a guy that is a proven recruiter in an area with plenty of talent. Dooley should do very well at ECU.
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