(04-04-2018 11:41 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:03 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Winning in Division 2 with Division 1 talent isn't really a good measure of the ability to run a successful Division 1 program in a highly competitive Conference. Time will be the judge.

You really wrote that?



Well then, I guess Time is the only judge of all things but facing down time, I feel ok in judging this hire a "good bet."

If we were looking for a new coach, we'd have grabbed that coach in a heart beat, particularly at that salary. We'd grab the one she beat last year, who has local ties.

What has been done in Ashland has been done with nearly entirely Ohio recruits.

Ashland has a new coach by yesterday, who has also been part of that mini-dynasty. Anyone that loves our Mt. Union connection has to remotely ackowledge Ashland as a potential Women's basketball equivalent.

Yeah, that's like calling Saban or Auriema bad coaches because they kill everyone with the best players.

I count this as a "missed opportunity" for Toledo. Timing just wasn't right for us, and it was for BG. At some point--and we can debate over what the timeframe is--UT will need a new women's bball coach. I don't doubt that we'll have quality applicants available when the time comes, but this is one that just left the table.

At a time when we've struggled to keep up with CMU & Buffalo, and have teams like Ball State, Miami & EMU now nipping at our heels, I don't look forward to BG becoming better.

Oh I think some very good possiblities have been mentioned, including some with previous connection to the program. Of course, getting them here....

and let's not bury Coach yet. She seems to still be kicking pretty good.

Man, a poor neighbor gets a new puppy and some of the children want to send the top dog to the bench. Yikes.

(04-04-2018 01:04 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  I count this as a "missed opportunity" for Toledo. Timing just wasn't right for us, and it was for BG. At some point--and we can debate over what the timeframe is--UT will need a new women's bball coach. I don't doubt that we'll have quality applicants available when the time comes, but this is one that just left the table.

At a time when we've struggled to keep up with CMU & Buffalo, and have teams like Ball State, Miami & EMU now nipping at our heels, I don't look forward to BG becoming better.

Bingo... I joked on BG’s board that I’d trade Cullop for Fralick. I know Cullop has been great for the program and the community and it would suck to get rid of her but I see Fralick taking BG to multiple NCAA tournaments and eventually winning multiple national championships. (Not at BG). I think she is a star in the making.

But I could be wrong and then BG will continue to suck which is never a bad thing...

So, I saw a brief interview with the new coach. She was gushing about how great the Stroh Center was and that BG's women's attendance was incredible. Really?????

As I seem to recall, Fran Voll went from coaching HS (Delphos SJ) to BG head coach, and he did pretty darn well there.

I like to pick on BG as much as the next fella, but Roos' tenure was an anomaly. Miller, Clark & Voll all had amazing runs, so if the new coach picks them back up they will just be returning to where they were, which is good for the MAC, but it may take a couple seasons.

(04-04-2018 06:32 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  So, I saw a brief interview with the new coach. She was gushing about how great the Stroh Center was and that BG's women's attendance was incredible. Really?????

Well, do you really expect a new coach to say bad things about the new school? And, actually their attendance is pretty good. 1700 a game (which is top 100) with a really bad team. The arena, yeah that's not good.

Bowling Green hits home run with Fralick hire.

http://www.toledoblade.com/DavidBriggs/2...-hire.html

(04-04-2018 12:08 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  What kind of player with a DI offer would go to a D2 school?

Probably the same kind of player with P5 football offer that goes to a MAC school.

She really looks good on paper but only time will tell. Of course Larry Gipson won national championships before and after his tenure at Toledo but he never won the MAC while leading UT.

(04-05-2018 07:09 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 12:08 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  What kind of player with a DI offer would go to a D2 school?

Probably the same kind of player with P5 football offer that goes to a MAC school.

She really looks good on paper but only time will tell. Of course Larry Gipson won national championships before and after his tenure at Toledo but he never won the MAC while leading UT.

Not the same. In MAC football you still get to play on national television, have games against P5 schools, get looked at by the NFL and have nice facilities.

And comparing MAC basketball to DII, you almost never see a DII game on television, usually play in high school type facilities and don't get games against Big 10-type opponents. Plus you have a shot at getting to the WNIT or NCAA Tournament in the MAC. Big difference.

I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. Really like her bench behavior even when things weren't going so good, as in the championship game at the end of this season. She has to potential to become a very good coach at the division 1 level. Unfortunately for her she is not stepping into the good situation she moved into at Ashland. At BGSU the talent is not there, at Ashland the talent was already there, if it hadn't been, she wouldn't have been able to win so many games her first season. It will take her a few seasons to recruit division one talent at BGSU. That is another reason she will need time. She has been recruiting division two talent which is a lot different from division one. Having watched her team a lot, I don't believe there were any division one players on her teams. That is why they were playing at Ashland and not a division one school. Even Johnson, who was a great high school player, is a step to slow to play outside and too short to play inside at a division one school. I am glad they gave her alone term contract so she can have the time to rebuild the program.

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. Really like her bench behavior even when things weren't going so good, as in the championship game at the end of this season. She has to potential to become a very good coach at the division 1 level. Unfortunately for her she is not stepping into the good situation she moved into at Ashland. At BGSU the talent is not there, at Ashland the talent was already there, if it hadn't been, she wouldn't have been able to win so many games her first season. It will take her a few seasons to recruit division one talent at BGSU. That is another reason she will need time. She has been recruiting division two talent which is a lot different from division one. Having watched her team a lot, I don't believe there were any division one players on her teams. That is why they were playing at Ashland and not a division one school. Even Johnson, who was a great high school player, is a step to slow to play outside and too short to play inside at a division one school. I am glad they gave her alone term contract so she can have the time to rebuild the program.

Probably won't be able to keep recruiting all-white teams either. Just sayin'.

(04-05-2018 08:16 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-05-2018 07:09 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 12:08 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  What kind of player with a DI offer would go to a D2 school?

Probably the same kind of player with P5 football offer that goes to a MAC school.

She really looks good on paper but only time will tell. Of course Larry Gipson won national championships before and after his tenure at Toledo but he never won the MAC while leading UT.

Not the same. In MAC football you still get to play on national television, have games against P5 schools, get looked at by the NFL and have nice facilities.

And comparing MAC basketball to DII, you almost never see a DII game on television, usually play in high school type facilities and don't get games against Big 10-type opponents. Plus you have a shot at getting to the WNIT or NCAA Tournament in the MAC. Big difference.

Yeah, not the same whatsoever. DI is DI...DII is DII. Huge difference in college athletics.

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. Really like her bench behavior even when things weren't going so good, as in the championship game at the end of this season. She has to potential to become a very good coach at the division 1 level. Unfortunately for her she is not stepping into the good situation she moved into at Ashland. At BGSU the talent is not there, at Ashland the talent was already there, if it hadn't been, she wouldn't have been able to win so many games her first season. It will take her a few seasons to recruit division one talent at BGSU. That is another reason she will need time. She has been recruiting division two talent which is a lot different from division one. Having watched her team a lot, I don't believe there were any division one players on her teams. That is why they were playing at Ashland and not a division one school. Even Johnson, who was a great high school player, is a step to slow to play outside and too short to play inside at a division one school. I am glad they gave her alone term contract so she can have the time to rebuild the program.

She was part of building up the talent at Ashland tho, as they were kinda average the couple years before she became an assistant, and even the 1st 2 years she was an assistant. She was associate head coach and recruiting coordinator for 3 seasons before she got the head coaching gig, so she was a big part of all of that.

I've been wondering if she already moved to Ashland before Cullop was hired, or if Cullop chose not to keep her on at UT. I'm guessing the former, but am a little curious.

Only time will tell how successful she will be at BG, but my bet is she will do a lot better than Roos.

(04-06-2018 03:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. .

Probably won't be able to keep recruiting all-white teams either. Just sayin'.

In the "everybody should have at least one chance to pull their foot out of their mouth" category,.... I can't even imagine why you couldn't resist the urge to "just say" but care to elaborate? You going for some implication, a point there?

(04-07-2018 05:36 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. .

Probably won't be able to keep recruiting all-white teams either. Just sayin'.

In the "everybody should have at least one chance to pull their foot out of their mouth" category,.... I can't even imagine why you couldn't resist the urge to "just say" but care to elaborate? You going for some implication, a point there?

The meaning of Detroit's comment seems pretty clear - that, at the DI level, it's hard to be successful if you recruit only white players. I haven't followed Ashland so didn't know that their teams have been all-white. Bowling Green over the years also has recruited primarily white players and had a lot of success prior to the Roos years. On the men's side, Bob Nichols did the same thing and took some heat for it. I think BGSU in general is a pretty white place that attracts a lot of small-town kids.

(04-08-2018 06:22 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 05:36 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. .

Probably won't be able to keep recruiting all-white teams either. Just sayin'.

In the "everybody should have at least one chance to pull their foot out of their mouth" category,.... I can't even imagine why you couldn't resist the urge to "just say" but care to elaborate? You going for some implication, a point there?

The meaning of Detroit's comment seems pretty clear - that, at the DI level, it's hard to be successful if you recruit only white players. I haven't followed Ashland so didn't know that their teams have been all-white. Bowling Green over the years also has recruited primarily white players and had a lot of success prior to the Roos years. On the men's side, Bob Nichols did the same thing and took some heat for it. I think BGSU in general is a pretty white place that attracts a lot of small-town kids.

While its gallant (or something) of you to try and help him pull his foot out of his mouth, what you wrote is a load of horsecrap.

This coach won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You want to presume she didn't recruit the best student-athletes and that her only goal was to get the best student-athletes she could get?


1) Have you compiled a list of non-"white" players that desperately wanted to come to Ashland to play ball but this coach did not give them time of day?
2) Where were these accusations when she was a coach at your alma mater?
3) Are you two really that desperate to throw aspersions on a rival that you would make such sideways cowardly accusations?

Man I tell you if I were to wish our coach would sign up to this site, now would be the time if only to tell you to slap yourselves. The world is desperately trying to move on from your nonsense. Get out the way or get run over.

The smart thing here would have been to just hold in your "just sayin" even if it would have bust your colon to do so.

(04-08-2018 07:57 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 06:22 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 05:36 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 02:00 PM)hwut1 Wrote:  I have watched a lot of Ashland games over the past two seasons. Love how they press and move the ball up court. A sign of good coaching. .

Probably won't be able to keep recruiting all-white teams either. Just sayin'.

In the "everybody should have at least one chance to pull their foot out of their mouth" category,.... I can't even imagine why you couldn't resist the urge to "just say" but care to elaborate? You going for some implication, a point there?

The meaning of Detroit's comment seems pretty clear - that, at the DI level, it's hard to be successful if you recruit only white players. I haven't followed Ashland so didn't know that their teams have been all-white. Bowling Green over the years also has recruited primarily white players and had a lot of success prior to the Roos years. On the men's side, Bob Nichols did the same thing and took some heat for it. I think BGSU in general is a pretty white place that attracts a lot of small-town kids.

While its gallant (or something) of you to try and help him pull his foot out of his mouth, what you wrote is a load of horsecrap.

This coach won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You want to presume she didn't recruit the best student-athletes and that her only goal was to get the best student-athletes she could get?


1) Have you compiled a list of non-"white" players that desperately wanted to come to Ashland to play ball but this coach did not give them time of day?
2) Where were these accusations when she was a coach at your alma mater?
3) Are you two really that desperate to throw aspersions on a rival that you would make such sideways cowardly accusations?

Man I tell you if I were to wish our coach would sign up to this site, now would be the time if only to tell you to slap yourselves. The world is desperately trying to move on from your nonsense. Get out the way or get run over.

The smart thing here would have been to just hold in your "just sayin" even if it would have bust your colon to do so.

I'm confused. I was not intending to make any accusations (much less sideways, cowardly ones) toward BG's new coach, and when I look back at my post I still don't see any such accusations. I did not say or imply that she refused to give the time of day to black players who wanted to play at Ashland. I did two things in my post: 1) I said what I thought was the clear meaning of Detroit's post, and 2) I expressed my opinion that his conclusion was not necessarily correct. That is, I think Detroit was suggesting that you can't win with all white players in D1. I gave examples of successful D1 programs with mostly white players - BG women under Miller and UT men under Nichols. I am not saying that proves Miller and Nichols were racist. That would be one explanation, but certainly not the only one.

If it's accurate that Ashland was all white under Kralick, that does not prove she is racist or that she didn't want black players. It does show that, for whatever reason, she was not successful in recruiting black players to her program. Maybe that will continue to be the case at BG, and maybe not. If it does continue to be the case, maybe that will affect her success at BG, and maybe not. (Clearly it didn't hurt her at Ashland.)

I really think you read some things into my post that weren't there. If you're suggesting that we're in a post-racial world where it doesn't make sense to even talk about race, I disagree. I would be fine with such a world, but it seems delusional to suggest that we're there.

So, I'm not trying to attack Kralick and am not trying to give offense. If I have given offense, I will be happy to hear about it and to try to learn from others' comments.