So, where the Big Macs go make for the blue blood population? A lot of kids have been cheated then...UCLA's ****.

We'll see if Wright adjusts how he recruits. He's a different sort, and you can see it with his ENTIRE team, not just 3-4 guys. He was on the radio yesterday talking about how he doesn't chase the top if he doesn't think they'll fit his team. Makes no bones going for kids ranked in the 40's and 50's...he's got two titles now, so, I'd consider that validated.

I mean, let's face it...they haven't all been hits in UK and UCLA. Might explain why the committee just can't help themselves putting UCLA into the tournament all the time when they don't really deserve it. Committee can't differentiate potential with reality.

(04-03-2018 04:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Last 20 seasons:

Duke: 15 sweet sixteens, 5 final fours, 3 national championships

Kansas: 13 SS, 5 FF, 1 NC

Kentucky: 13 SS, 5 FF, 2 NC

Mich St: 12 SS, 7 FF, 1 NC

Arizona: 10 SS, 1 FF

UNC: 10 SS, 6 FF, 2 NC

Florida: 9 SS, 4 FF, 2 NC

Syracuse: 9 SS, 3 FF, 1 NC

UCLA: 9 SS, 3 FF

UConn: 8 SS, 5 FF, 4 NC

Louisville: 7 SS, 3 FF, 1 NC

Ohio St: 6 SS, 3 FF

Villanova: 6 SS, 3 FF, 2 NC

UNC has 7 FFs and 3 NC in the last 20 years.

(04-04-2018 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  blue blood or not, right now Villanova and Duke are looked at pretty much exactly the same.

IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

I didn't realize college basketball was all about McDonald's All-Americans. I thought performance on the court mattered some. Villanova has a very real chance to with a good year next year make a claim as the team of the decade.

Recruiting demonstrates who the blue-bloods are.

(04-04-2018 11:13 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  blue blood or not, right now Villanova and Duke are looked at pretty much exactly the same.

IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

It's pretty much established at this point that where the top 20 or so guys go is more about sneaker money than anything else, no?

Louisville and Arizona, while good programs, are not bluebloods.

I'd rather be an elite program than being a blue blood. Right now, there is absolutely NO doubt at all that Villanova is an elite program. NONE. The odds of Villanova winning a title are infinitely higher than say UCLA winning a title.

(04-04-2018 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  blue blood or not, right now Villanova and Duke are looked at pretty much exactly the same.

IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

I didn't realize college basketball was all about McDonald's All-Americans. I thought performance on the court mattered some. Villanova has a very real chance to with a good year next year make a claim as the team of the decade.

Recruiting demonstrates who the blue-bloods are.

And of course there are final four appearances and championships, which is on the court, just not limited to the last two years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

App.
School
20
North Carolina
17
Kentucky, UCLA*
16
Duke
15
Kansas
10
Ohio State*
9
Michigan State
8
Indiana, Louisville**
6
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan**, Oklahoma State, Syracuse
5
Connecticut, Florida, Georgetown, Houston, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova*

(04-04-2018 01:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  blue blood or not, right now Villanova and Duke are looked at pretty much exactly the same.

IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

I didn't realize college basketball was all about McDonald's All-Americans. I thought performance on the court mattered some. Villanova has a very real chance to with a good year next year make a claim as the team of the decade.

Recruiting demonstrates who the blue-bloods are.

And of course there are final four appearances and championships, which is on the court, just not limited to the last two years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

App.
School
20
North Carolina
17
Kentucky, UCLA*
16
Duke
15
Kansas
10
Ohio State*
9
Michigan State
8
Indiana, Louisville**
6
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan**, Oklahoma State, Syracuse
5
Connecticut, Florida, Georgetown, Houston, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova*

And how much of that stuff was prior to 1979, when the real NCAA tournament era began? There is no doubt in any reasonable persons mind that Villanova is right now a top 5 program in college basketball. Can that change? Obviously yes. But right now. It is.

Thanks Villanova - picked you to win it all in my bracket.

Congratulations.

(04-04-2018 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:13 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  blue blood or not, right now Villanova and Duke are looked at pretty much exactly the same.

IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

It's pretty much established at this point that where the top 20 or so guys go is more about sneaker money than anything else, no?

Louisville and Arizona, while good programs, are not bluebloods.

Are you saying that you don't think guys going to Duke and Kentucky and such are getting money from Nike (to say nothing of the schools' own boosters)?

(04-04-2018 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  IU really isn't getting them anymore, but the other 5 blue bloods who are actually blue dominate the McDonald's All-Americans. They get a phenomenal % of the very top recruits. Those 5 do not include Villanova. Its UK, KU, UCLA, UNC and Duke.

I didn't realize college basketball was all about McDonald's All-Americans. I thought performance on the court mattered some. Villanova has a very real chance to with a good year next year make a claim as the team of the decade.

Recruiting demonstrates who the blue-bloods are.

And of course there are final four appearances and championships, which is on the court, just not limited to the last two years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

App.
School
20
North Carolina
17
Kentucky, UCLA*
16
Duke
15
Kansas
10
Ohio State*
9
Michigan State
8
Indiana, Louisville**
6
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan**, Oklahoma State, Syracuse
5
Connecticut, Florida, Georgetown, Houston, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova*

And how much of that stuff was prior to 1979, when the real NCAA tournament era began? There is no doubt in any reasonable persons mind that Villanova is right now a top 5 program in college basketball. Can that change? Obviously yes. But right now. It is.

There's no reasonable person that puts them as a top 4 "program." And they aren't top 5 "program."

The real NCAA tournament began in the 30s. Once the UCLA era ended, it got very competitive. 1979 means nothing. Villanova has 5, tied with Florida and Houston (although their 1972 or so got vacated, so they are unofficially at 6). I'm pretty sure Florida's are all post 1979. So does that make Florida a blueblood?

If you want to use 1979, Indiana has 4 final 4s and UCLA 5. KU and UK have 9 since then and I think Duke and UNC have more.

(04-05-2018 10:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I didn't realize college basketball was all about McDonald's All-Americans. I thought performance on the court mattered some. Villanova has a very real chance to with a good year next year make a claim as the team of the decade.

Recruiting demonstrates who the blue-bloods are.

And of course there are final four appearances and championships, which is on the court, just not limited to the last two years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis..._by_school

App.
School
20
North Carolina
17
Kentucky, UCLA*
16
Duke
15
Kansas
10
Ohio State*
9
Michigan State
8
Indiana, Louisville**
6
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan**, Oklahoma State, Syracuse
5
Connecticut, Florida, Georgetown, Houston, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova*

And how much of that stuff was prior to 1979, when the real NCAA tournament era began? There is no doubt in any reasonable persons mind that Villanova is right now a top 5 program in college basketball. Can that change? Obviously yes. But right now. It is.

There's no reasonable person that puts them as a top 4 "program." And they aren't top 5 "program."

The real NCAA tournament began in the 30s. Once the UCLA era ended, it got very competitive. 1979 means nothing. Villanova has 5, tied with Florida and Houston (although their 1972 or so got vacated, so they are unofficially at 6). I'm pretty sure Florida's are all post 1979. So does that make Florida a blueblood?

Mid 70's are when tournament could start to have more than just 1 team per conference. 1979 is when the tourney first expanded up to 48 teams. The modern era of the tournament is viewed as either 1979 or 1985(when went to 64).

If you ask any reasonable college basketball person to name the top college basketball programs right now- you better believe Nova would be in there.

(04-05-2018 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Mid 70's are when tournament could start to have more than just 1 team per conference. 1979 is when the tourney first expanded up to 48 teams. The modern era of the tournament is viewed as either 1979 or 1985(when went to 64).

If you ask any reasonable college basketball person to name the top college basketball programs right now- you better believe Nova would be in there.

Between basketball, football, and consolidation rules (DII football but DI basketball schools had to move to DI-A, DI-AA, drop football, or move to DII basketball) 1978-79 is definitely the first season of the modern college athletics era. In basketball you have the expanded tournament, multi-bid leagues, and large movement of independents into conferences including the creation of the A10 and Big East. In football you had the creation of the DI-A and DI-AA subdivisions, and the impact that had on the Ivy League.

(04-05-2018 02:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-05-2018 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Mid 70's are when tournament could start to have more than just 1 team per conference. 1979 is when the tourney first expanded up to 48 teams. The modern era of the tournament is viewed as either 1979 or 1985(when went to 64).

If you ask any reasonable college basketball person to name the top college basketball programs right now- you better believe Nova would be in there.

Between basketball, football, and consolidation rules (DII football but DI basketball schools had to move to DI-A, DI-AA, drop football, or move to DII basketball) 1978-79 is definitely the first season of the modern college athletics era. In basketball you have the expanded tournament, multi-bid leagues, and large movement of independents into conferences including the creation of the A10 and Big East. In football you had the creation of the DI-A and DI-AA subdivisions, and the impact that had on the Ivy League.

very valid points.

what is so amazing now- the NCAA tourney era for basketball can be put in 2 era's- pre-modern(1938-39 thru 1977-78) and then modern(1978-79 thru 2017-18). Both exactly 40 seasons.