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How do you feel about the G league?
I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.
 
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I think for the overall best thing for the good of the game is a true talent development system like MLB. Problem with what Bazelys doing is he's not draft eligible so he's not getting paid much more than he would've in college. Players should be able to get drafted and get contracts after high school if they're good enough.
 
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I dont think you can compare Baseball to Basketball. The developmental process is so different, especially with pitchers. The G-League is nice for Kilpatrick type guys to work there way in the league, maybe get a rookies feet wet or someone coming off injury.

The bottom line is when you way all the pros and cons of College, Euro, or G-League, college is still by far the best.

The only reason Bazley is going to the G-League is because his payment didnt fo through at Syracuse after all the FBI stuff. He would have been better off playing in Europe, or maybe the BBB league lol.
 
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(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Unless you are one of the fortunate few on a two way contract, imho, the players would be better off getting paid overseas.
 
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(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?
 
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(04-03-2018 06:22 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.
 
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1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.
 
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(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.
 
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(04-02-2018 08:14 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Unless you are one of the fortunate few on a two way contract, imho, the players would be better off getting paid overseas.
Different situations. Bazley would more likely get highest salary. Projected lock to go in 1st. And he still can take all side money in world now.
 
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(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:22 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

one 1rd nba contract(4-5) could be more than a lawyer or doctor makes in 20yrs. not including loans they have pay back. He go get at least 5-10mil his 1st contract. lol stop hating on these young boys
 
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(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.
stop it with your non sense. bazley is PROJECTED LOTTERY PICK. 1st yr minimum would be 5mil. 5mil/125k you know the math.
 
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Eh, Bazley is a fringe lottery pick at best.

The G-League just isn't very competitive.
 
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(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.

There are several false premises in your argument here, but perhaps the weirdest is that you think playing college basketball gives people some entree into a bunch of fantastic business deals.
 
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(04-03-2018 10:02 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.

There are several false premises in your argument here, but perhaps the weirdest is that you think playing college basketball gives people some entree into a bunch of fantastic business deals.

Playing basketball in college does not automatically get you business deals. But it sure as hell doesnt hurt. For example, Eric Hicks has a personal training company in Cincinnati right now. Lenny Stokes has a drywall company in town, and Roger McClendon is a VP at Yum. I would like to think their time playing at UC has opened alot of doors for them, and I dont understand what the big deal is and what is wrong with that.

What are we even arguing here? Everyone has a right to choose their own path, and shape their life on the decisions they have made. My only point I'm saying, is that there is more merit to going the college route than alot ot people mention. The vast majority of players will not be able to set themselves up for lives playing hoops, why is this even controversial?
 
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(04-03-2018 09:34 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Eh, Bazley is a fringe lottery pick at best.

The G-League just isn't very competitive.

Hey, if he wants to make $26k for a year and ride around at night on a bus to road games and eat crappy food, more power to him. I'd rather be big man on campus for a couple of semesters and play a year in the ACC, but to each his own.
 
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(04-03-2018 11:13 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 09:34 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Eh, Bazley is a fringe lottery pick at best.

The G-League just isn't very competitive.

Hey, if he wants to make $26k for a year and ride around at night on a bus to road games and eat crappy food, more power to him. I'd rather be big man on campus for a couple of semesters and play a year in the ACC, but to each his own.
Basically he took his money now. He gets guaranteed 15-20mil his first nba contract if he go top 15.
 
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(04-03-2018 10:24 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 10:02 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.

There are several false premises in your argument here, but perhaps the weirdest is that you think playing college basketball gives people some entree into a bunch of fantastic business deals.

Playing basketball in college does not automatically get you business deals. But it sure as hell doesnt hurt. For example, Eric Hicks has a personal training company in Cincinnati right now. Lenny Stokes has a drywall company in town, and Roger McClendon is a VP at Yum. I would like to think their time playing at UC has opened alot of doors for them, and I dont understand what the big deal is and what is wrong with that.

What are we even arguing here? Everyone has a right to choose their own path, and shape their life on the decisions they have made. My only point I'm saying, is that there is more merit to going the college route than alot ot people mention. The vast majority of players will not be able to set themselves up for lives playing hoops, why is this even controversial?

lottery picks make more money in short term nba careers, than them 3 guys combined might make a lifetime.
 
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(04-03-2018 12:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 10:24 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 10:02 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:14 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  1. I wouldn't make this move at this point. G League isn't far enough along. Only way I'd skip college under the current system is if you're a LeBron type star where you can sign a big endorsement deal and exposure will follow you to G league or overseas.
2. Why do colleges need to be involved in sports work/study programs? They've got more important things to do.

Yes most players don't play pro but if someone's willing to pay them and put them into their development system there should be an avenue to do so. Why do we look down upon basketball players for not going to college but no one has an issue with people studying at skilled apprenticeships like electricians or plumbers? Is it a race issue? I've got 2 college degrees but I hate where we are as a society thinking we need to force as many people as possible into college. It's why costs have exploded. College is great for people who want to go there but it's not the only avenue to developing marketable skills.

Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.

There are several false premises in your argument here, but perhaps the weirdest is that you think playing college basketball gives people some entree into a bunch of fantastic business deals.

Playing basketball in college does not automatically get you business deals. But it sure as hell doesnt hurt. For example, Eric Hicks has a personal training company in Cincinnati right now. Lenny Stokes has a drywall company in town, and Roger McClendon is a VP at Yum. I would like to think their time playing at UC has opened alot of doors for them, and I dont understand what the big deal is and what is wrong with that.

What are we even arguing here? Everyone has a right to choose their own path, and shape their life on the decisions they have made. My only point I'm saying, is that there is more merit to going the college route than alot ot people mention. The vast majority of players will not be able to set themselves up for lives playing hoops, why is this even controversial?

lottery picks make more money in short term nba careers, than them 3 guys combined might make a lifetime.

Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.
 
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(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  
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(04-03-2018 10:24 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 10:02 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:52 AM)jarr Wrote:  Who is forcing anyone to go to college. I simply said it was in their best interest financially. It has nothing to do with race, so please keep that crap out of here.

Quick, what NBA team does Shanazz Napier play for? How about Tyler Hansbrough? What team does Jared Sullinger play for? Aaron Craft? Can you name the teams they have even played for in the past? These guys made their legacy from their college days, when they are done playing ball in the pros or Euro, they will be setup with many business/financial opportunities because of their college days.

Comparing professional basketball to a skilled trade like plumbing is ridiculous. You can be a plumber alot longer than a hoops player. For 99.99% of athletes, playing sports is not a way to make a living. Colleges offer opportunities to get a free education while they are playing the game they love on big stages in the prime of their life. Who wouldn't want that opportunity?

I'm not even sure I understand what you are saying about the plumber/electrician thing. You still need to go to school to and take tests to be a licensed plumber/HVAC tech, or truck driver. These careers require alot of on the job training and passing tests. Playing hoops is not a sustainable career for most people. Being a plumber is a pretty safe/sustainable career for someone that doesnt want to go the traditional college route.

There are several false premises in your argument here, but perhaps the weirdest is that you think playing college basketball gives people some entree into a bunch of fantastic business deals.

Playing basketball in college does not automatically get you business deals. But it sure as hell doesnt hurt. For example, Eric Hicks has a personal training company in Cincinnati right now. Lenny Stokes has a drywall company in town, and Roger McClendon is a VP at Yum. I would like to think their time playing at UC has opened alot of doors for them, and I dont understand what the big deal is and what is wrong with that.

What are we even arguing here? Everyone has a right to choose their own path, and shape their life on the decisions they have made. My only point I'm saying, is that there is more merit to going the college route than alot ot people mention. The vast majority of players will not be able to set themselves up for lives playing hoops, why is this even controversial?

lottery picks make more money in short term nba careers, than them 3 guys combined might make a lifetime.

Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.
dude melo was backed by millionaires in high school. He played at Syracuse 1YEAR 20yrs ago, NOBODY remembers him from college.
 
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RE: How do you feel about the G league?
No one's talking about taking away college basketball and the opportunities for those guys. We're advocating a better professional development system that would take away maybe 25 guys a year who normally would've been in a college system.
 
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