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(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.

It's evident that you are a college fan only and don't watch the NBA. Perhaps that is shading your view of the benefits of playing in the NCAA?
 
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(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.

It's evident that you are a college fan only and don't watch the NBA. Perhaps that is shading your view of the benefits of playing in the NCAA?

I'm with Jarr at some level on this. I think when people talk about paying college athletes they often really do undervalue the tangible financial value these kids get from their time at college. If there was a minor league system that gave them the same value they'd jump at it in a heartbeat. A year of exposure in college athletics is huge for many of these kids, they will also forever have networking connections through these universities, the value of free education (even a year of it), room and board goes up every single year, they get training from coaches for what they want to do, they get a jump start on real education they build their brand and have the opportunity to impact their early NBA bottom line as well.
 
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(04-03-2018 01:07 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  No one's talking about taking away college basketball and the opportunities for those guys. We're advocating a better professional development system that would take away maybe 25 guys a year who normally would've been in a college system.

NBA will try to do that, but I'm not sure how successful they'll be... we undervalue the long term financial benefits many of these elite talents get from playing even a season of college basketball. If the NBA offers these kids 1 million plus to play in their developmental system for a season I'm sure that becomes a feasible alternative, but the college game offers great exposure and great coaching... to go with many other education/development/networking advantages long term. Not sure the NBA can make an economically viable alternative.
 
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(04-03-2018 03:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 02:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.

It's evident that you are a college fan only and don't watch the NBA. Perhaps that is shading your view of the benefits of playing in the NCAA?

I'm with Jarr at some level on this. I think when people talk about paying college athletes they often really do undervalue the tangible financial value these kids get from their time at college. If there was a minor league system that gave them the same value they'd jump at it in a heartbeat. A year of exposure in college athletics is huge for many of these kids, they will also forever have networking connections through these universities, the value of free education (even a year of it), room and board goes up every single year, they get training from coaches for what they want to do, they get a jump start on real education they build their brand and have the opportunity to impact their early NBA bottom line as well.

Yes, you did a better job explaining this a little more coherently, but this is exactly how I feel.
 
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(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  
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(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

The majority of people who study acting don't end up as successful actors...
The majority of people who study art don't end up as successful artists...
The majority of people who study philosophy don't end up as successful philosophers...

and on...and on....and on....

They are still offered as majors.

Why not work study in FB and MBB?
 
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(04-03-2018 03:52 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:22 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

The majority of people who study acting don't end up as successful actors...
The majority of people who study art don't end up as successful artists...
The majority of people who study philosophy don't end up as successful philosophers...

and on...and on....and on....

They are still offered as majors.

Why not work study in FB and MBB?
OK but the majority of people who study Art, Acting, Philosophy pay tuition, room and board. Want to study FB or BB pay or get a student loan.
 
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(04-03-2018 05:05 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 03:52 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:22 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I am glad to see Bazley go that way. I would like to see the NBA go the way of MLBB.

If you are not college material go G League. Return NCAA to somewhat real Student/Athletes.

Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

The majority of people who study acting don't end up as successful actors...
The majority of people who study art don't end up as successful artists...
The majority of people who study philosophy don't end up as successful philosophers...

and on...and on....and on....

They are still offered as majors.

Why not work study in FB and MBB?
OK but the majority of people who study Art, Acting, Philosophy pay tuition, room and board. Want to study FB or BB pay or get a student loan.

Wasn't the idea behind work study that the work portion of the work study would offset tuition? Their "work" pays in revenue to the University--so just use that to offset tuition and room and board...The "evaluation" of their work would be their ability to "produce" in their chosen profession...thus warranting higher pay in the real world, or, at the collegiate level, a higher % of their tuition...those that don't either ride the pine and have to foot their own bill, or they could switch majors.

I really don't see the problem here.
 
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(04-03-2018 05:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 05:05 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 03:52 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:22 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Why not just re-classify the revenue sports as work-study programs for the NFL and the NBA and give the students a degree in their chosen profession?

We do it for artists, writers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and scientists...why not athletes?

Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

The majority of people who study acting don't end up as successful actors...
The majority of people who study art don't end up as successful artists...
The majority of people who study philosophy don't end up as successful philosophers...

and on...and on....and on....

They are still offered as majors.

Why not work study in FB and MBB?
OK but the majority of people who study Art, Acting, Philosophy pay tuition, room and board. Want to study FB or BB pay or get a student loan.

Wasn't the idea behind work study that the work portion of the work study would offset tuition? Their "work" pays in revenue to the University--so just use that to offset tuition and room and board...The "evaluation" of their work would be their ability to "produce" in their chosen profession...thus warranting higher pay in the real world, or, at the collegiate level, a higher % of their tuition...those that don't either ride the pine and have to foot their own bill, or they could switch majors.

I really don't see the problem here.
Yes, I'm sure high school talent will be lining up around the block to potentially have to pay upwards of $20k that they don't have because they sit on a bench as a freshman.

Or, maybe just offer them a full scholarship and if they'd rather play professionally they don't have to accept it?
 
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I never understood why the G League (formerly D League) and Europe has not been a workable alternative to someone wanting to get paid and develop their skills. Instead of paying college athletes, the NBA should bolster the G League. End the charade of "student athlete" and treat this as job. Those who are top shelf talents will make their way to the NBA or overseas.
 
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(04-03-2018 03:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 02:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.

It's evident that you are a college fan only and don't watch the NBA. Perhaps that is shading your view of the benefits of playing in the NCAA?

I'm with Jarr at some level on this. I think when people talk about paying college athletes they often really do undervalue the tangible financial value these kids get from their time at college. If there was a minor league system that gave them the same value they'd jump at it in a heartbeat. A year of exposure in college athletics is huge for many of these kids, they will also forever have networking connections through these universities, the value of free education (even a year of it), room and board goes up every single year, they get training from coaches for what they want to do, they get a jump start on real education they build their brand and have the opportunity to impact their early NBA bottom line as well.

The other benefit of college is that it is a four year deal. The few sure things might be able to go to the G-league or Europe. But most 4* guys and even some 5* guys aren't denfinitely go to make it big in basketball. The four year deal means the coaches are going to stick with you even if the first year or two don't go so well. What happens if after 6-months the G-league cuts you? Now college scholership is no longer an option, because you got paid to play. It's a big risk if you aren't absolutely sure you have what it takes. At most, I think the G-league is a viable alternative to 25 guys each year.
 
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(04-04-2018 11:15 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 03:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 02:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 01:03 PM)jarr Wrote:  Ok, is Bazley a lotto pick right now? Maybe. I'd still argue that Carmello Anthony has alot more brand value from his 1 year at Syracuse than if he went the D-League route. I dont have numbers on that or know how to quantify it, but I guarantee most people remember his one year in college more than any of his years in the NBA and it isn't even close. And he is probably a HOF level player. Off the top of my head and not looking it up, I forget who he even plays for since he left the Knicks.

It's evident that you are a college fan only and don't watch the NBA. Perhaps that is shading your view of the benefits of playing in the NCAA?

I'm with Jarr at some level on this. I think when people talk about paying college athletes they often really do undervalue the tangible financial value these kids get from their time at college. If there was a minor league system that gave them the same value they'd jump at it in a heartbeat. A year of exposure in college athletics is huge for many of these kids, they will also forever have networking connections through these universities, the value of free education (even a year of it), room and board goes up every single year, they get training from coaches for what they want to do, they get a jump start on real education they build their brand and have the opportunity to impact their early NBA bottom line as well.

The other benefit of college is that it is a four year deal. The few sure things might be able to go to the G-league or Europe. But most 4* guys and even some 5* guys aren't denfinitely go to make it big in basketball. The four year deal means the coaches are going to stick with you even if the first year or two don't go so well. What happens if after 6-months the G-league cuts you? Now college scholership is no longer an option, because you got paid to play. It's a big risk if you aren't absolutely sure you have what it takes. At most, I think the G-league is a viable alternative to 25 guys each year.

If those guys really care about an education, they will take the college route. Most do not though. They want cash and really do not care about attending class.
 
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(04-03-2018 07:54 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 05:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 05:05 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 03:52 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 06:58 AM)jarr Wrote:  Because people forget that the majority of players wont br playing in the NBA or NFL. People like to believe sometimes that most of these players are being deprived millions, the truth is most will need to get an actual job when they are done. Maybe some might play in Europe a couple years and make a couple bucks, but they will need to get a job eventually. Unless Bazley becomes an All Star talent, he is going to regret his decision one day, and realize he may bnb have actually lost out on financial opportunities.

The majority of people who study acting don't end up as successful actors...
The majority of people who study art don't end up as successful artists...
The majority of people who study philosophy don't end up as successful philosophers...

and on...and on....and on....

They are still offered as majors.

Why not work study in FB and MBB?
OK but the majority of people who study Art, Acting, Philosophy pay tuition, room and board. Want to study FB or BB pay or get a student loan.

Wasn't the idea behind work study that the work portion of the work study would offset tuition? Their "work" pays in revenue to the University--so just use that to offset tuition and room and board...The "evaluation" of their work would be their ability to "produce" in their chosen profession...thus warranting higher pay in the real world, or, at the collegiate level, a higher % of their tuition...those that don't either ride the pine and have to foot their own bill, or they could switch majors.

I really don't see the problem here.
Yes, I'm sure high school talent will be lining up around the block to potentially have to pay upwards of $20k that they don't have because they sit on a bench as a freshman.

Or, maybe just offer them a full scholarship and if they'd rather play professionally they don't have to accept it?

The advantage of such a system is that ALL their time would be dedicated to their career track--the revenue sport of choice would be their total focus...the result being that their proficiency at the game would dramatically improve.

Something similar to this was done at the high school level with CAPE. As I recall, for the short time it operated it produced some decent pro talent (Carlos Snow, et. al.).

The system could be set up so that you have to "audition" for the program, then, if accepted, there would be certain benchmarks they would have to hit to have their tuition offset and remain "enrolled". If they failed those benchmarks, then they would be advised to seek another major, or transfer.

The Blue Chippers wouldn't have to waste their time in a classroom, and would be groomed for professional play. They would get training, competition, and TV exposure to increase their value in the draft.

In the event that a student would want to do it "the old-fashioned way", they could apply for an academic scholarship and walk on. The same way the IVY's do it.
 
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college is better because there is more exposure. G-League players mostly play games in smaller cities in front of small crowds and as far as i ever noticed, rarely on TV.

College pays better and has more exposure
 
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(04-05-2018 06:57 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  college is better because there is more exposure. G-League players mostly play games in smaller cities in front of small crowds and as far as i ever noticed, rarely on TV.

College pays better and has more exposure

G-League players are being coached by NBA coaches. NBA scouts are watching them. This is the exposure that matters. They are in front of the decision makers every day.
 
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(04-05-2018 06:57 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  college is better because there is more exposure. G-League players mostly play games in smaller cities in front of small crowds and as far as i ever noticed, rarely on TV.

College pays better and has more exposure

G-League players are being coached by NBA coaches. NBA scouts are watching them. This is the exposure that matters. They are in front of the decision makers every day.

Troy Caupains coach for the Lakeland Magic was Stan Heath. Hes not an NBA coach. never will be an NBA coach. NBA scouts are watching college players too. Difference is its in packed gyms, in arenas not in Des Moines Iowa. Is an NBA scout more likely going to enjoy watching a game in a college atmosphere or in an arena with 200 people in a glorified AAU game?

Also, G-League Games are harder to find. So for a player, who is looking to make a name for himself and get exposed. Would he rather play in packed gyms on ESPN every game or would he rather play on ....What channel are G-League games on?

Also. College pays better
 
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(04-10-2018 06:49 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 11:05 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 06:57 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  college is better because there is more exposure. G-League players mostly play games in smaller cities in front of small crowds and as far as i ever noticed, rarely on TV.

College pays better and has more exposure

G-League players are being coached by NBA coaches. NBA scouts are watching them. This is the exposure that matters. They are in front of the decision makers every day.

Troy Caupains coach for the Lakeland Magic was Stan Heath. Hes not an NBA coach. never will be an NBA coach. NBA scouts are watching college players too. Difference is its in packed gyms, in arenas not in Des Moines Iowa. Is an NBA scout more likely going to enjoy watching a game in a college atmosphere or in an arena with 200 people in a glorified AAU game?

Also, G-League Games are harder to find. So for a player, who is looking to make a name for himself and get exposed. Would he rather play in packed gyms on ESPN every game or would he rather play on ....What channel are G-League games on?

Also. College pays better

The G-League is the NBA'a official minor league basketball organization. All teams are affiliated with an NBA franchise. The NBA has grown this league over the last couple of decades. David Stern expanded the league. The trend towards current NBA players spending time in the G-League has been steadily increasing.

Stan Heath might not have coached an actual NBA franchise, however he is an NBA minor league coach. One can only speculate on whether he will ever become a coach in the NBA. Many thought David Blatt would never coach in the league. Do scouts care more about attending a college game versus a G-League game? Depends on who they are scouting. They go where the player in question plays.

Who is to say at some point the top shelf talent foregoes college for the G-League. The player gets paid and if the product is good enough, tv will pick up the games. College basketball fans would miss out. However, direct access to an NBA organization, getting paid and not worrying about attending class are pluses.

If the trend continues towards the NBA and its partners making this a top shelf minor league, players will care less about spending a year or two in college. You forget the system is currently setup so players will look to college as their first option. The G-League could become a great first option for players, especially those players who could care less about the getting an education.
 
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Ok, so a serious question, because I do not follow the NBA at all...

Is there any chance of Cincinnati getting a "G League" franchise if the NBA emulates the MLB model? USBank arena ***could*** be used (crappy as it may be) I suppose.

I'm not sure you could make an argument that the Cincinnati could sustain the market for a minor-league BB team...
 
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bazeley can now get his 250k loan without any type investigations. If you think he went to g league to only go make 25k this season, you smoking dope!!!
 
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(04-11-2018 09:48 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  bazeley can now get his 250k loan without any type investigations. If you think he went to g league to only go make 25k this season, you smoking dope!!!

Good point. Also, there's nothing to stop Bazeley from getting a shoe deal and other endorsements as well... plus he won't have to worry about going to class and doing other things that students are supposed to be doing.

IMHO if all things stay the same we will see more of these type of moves in the future.
 
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I wonder if Rome had arguments on how gladiators weren't going to class and were full-time athletes not getting a good education.
 
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