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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.
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Question: Will the content from ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU also be on ESPN+?


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No. To get those, you still need a cable log in I believe.
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My previous predictions regarding ESPN+ programming:

Quote:- An NBA out of market game of the day similar to Yahoo!'s package with the NHL and MLB.
- More soccer, probably international leagues like Mexico and Italy.
- International sports with small but devoted followings like cricket and rugby.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-842764-post-15...id15073538

On my first prediction, I was wrong about the NBA, but right about the strategy. Instead of copying the Yahoo! MLB and NHL packages, they bought them.

Second prediction, wrong for now. It may be that none of these rights were currently available.

Third prediction, absolutely correct.

I am actually impressed at what ESPN has pulled off here. It seems like a good value proposition for many sports fans.
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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.
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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
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(04-02-2018 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So pretty much most of the MAC and Sunbelt games are heading there also.

Non linear stuff.

Yep , which is pretty much most of the games.

In FB I think the MAC is about 50/50 linear with its ESPN offerings. However ESPN3 will continue to produce games free of charge.

Its going to be stuff that is self produced moving there.
I have seen it written that the ESPN deals with the MAC and SBC called for the conferences to cover production costs for the games from the money they receive for the contract and the contracts specify how many games are required to be produced (X amount for linear and X amount for streaming). Are you saying that is not the case?
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(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

MLB.TV is also one of the more expensive streaming services too.

I think ESPN+ press release say they are going to charge $25/month for it. I know you can buy a whole season for about $10/month if you pay in full upfront and early, even less if you have a student or military discount. They even have special one day sales throughout the year, like on father's day, where you can get the rest of the season with an very generous discount.

I would think most MLB.TV subscribers pay annually though, so I don't know how much more room there is for growth on that spectrum as the amount of people who are willing to fork out over $100 up front for out of market, regular season baseball will be limited. Paying monthly would make MLB.TV more expensive than Sling Orange which includes ESPN and Turner networks for sports.
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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-03-2018 07:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

MLB.TV is also one of the more expensive streaming services too.

I think ESPN+ press release say they are going to charge $25/month for it. I know you can buy a whole season for about $10/month if you pay in full upfront and early, even less if you have a student or military discount. They even have special one day sales throughout the year, like on father's day, where you can get the rest of the season with an very generous discount.

I would think most MLB.TV subscribers pay annually though, so I don't know how much more room there is for growth on that spectrum as the amount of people who are willing to fork out over $100 up front for out of market, regular season baseball will be limited. Paying monthly would make MLB.TV more expensive than Sling Orange which includes ESPN and Turner networks for sports.

What I read said $5/month, not $25.

Quote:ESPN+, the upcoming direct-to-consumer subscription streaming service from Disney Direct-to-Consumer and International in partnership with ESPN and featuring ESPN branded content, will launch on April 12 and offer fans a dynamic lineup of live sports, original content and an unmatched library of award-winning on-demand programming – all for a subscription price of $4.99 per month.

https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-relea...per-month/
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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

And also highly limited in who wants it. The millions in NYC can't watch Yankees or Mets. The millions in LA cannot watch Dodgers or Angels. Much of the south cannot watch the Braves much or the Midwest cannot watch the Cardinals.

It is by design very much a niche product aimed at the displaced fan or the rare person who just wants to see every baseball game, it is not a mass market product.
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(04-03-2018 07:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

MLB.TV is also one of the more expensive streaming services too.

I think ESPN+ press release say they are going to charge $25/month for it. I know you can buy a whole season for about $10/month if you pay in full upfront and early, even less if you have a student or military discount. They even have special one day sales throughout the year, like on father's day, where you can get the rest of the season with an very generous discount.

I would think most MLB.TV subscribers pay annually though, so I don't know how much more room there is for growth on that spectrum as the amount of people who are willing to fork out over $100 up front for out of market, regular season baseball will be limited. Paying monthly would make MLB.TV more expensive than Sling Orange which includes ESPN and Turner networks for sports.

MLB.tv is cheap compared to NHL Gamecenter. Expensive compared to MLS Direct Kick.
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(04-03-2018 07:34 AM)CurveItAround Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 07:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So pretty much most of the MAC and Sunbelt games are heading there also.

Non linear stuff.

Yep , which is pretty much most of the games.

In FB I think the MAC is about 50/50 linear with its ESPN offerings. However ESPN3 will continue to produce games free of charge.

Its going to be stuff that is self produced moving there.
I have seen it written that the ESPN deals with the MAC and SBC called for the conferences to cover production costs for the games from the money they receive for the contract and the contracts specify how many games are required to be produced (X amount for linear and X amount for streaming). Are you saying that is not the case?

Yes at least in the MAC case.
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(04-03-2018 12:21 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Question: Will the content from ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU also be on ESPN+?


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No. To get those, you still need a cable log in I believe.


So + will be primarily a carrier of secondary games, which will make this good for FCS and G5.


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If any of you use. T Mobile, MLB.TV is free for the whole season.


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(04-03-2018 08:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

MLB.TV is also one of the more expensive streaming services too.

I think ESPN+ press release say they are going to charge $25/month for it. I know you can buy a whole season for about $10/month if you pay in full upfront and early, even less if you have a student or military discount. They even have special one day sales throughout the year, like on father's day, where you can get the rest of the season with an very generous discount.

I would think most MLB.TV subscribers pay annually though, so I don't know how much more room there is for growth on that spectrum as the amount of people who are willing to fork out over $100 up front for out of market, regular season baseball will be limited. Paying monthly would make MLB.TV more expensive than Sling Orange which includes ESPN and Turner networks for sports.

What I read said $5/month, not $25.

Quote:ESPN+, the upcoming direct-to-consumer subscription streaming service from Disney Direct-to-Consumer and International in partnership with ESPN and featuring ESPN branded content, will launch on April 12 and offer fans a dynamic lineup of live sports, original content and an unmatched library of award-winning on-demand programming – all for a subscription price of $4.99 per month.

https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-relea...per-month/

You can add on MLB.TV in the ESPN plus app for $25/month. MLB.TV is arguably the most expensive streaming service out there. So for it to have 4M subscribers at $120/year or $25/month is very very good. However, I wonder what its cap is without sacrificing the big money national TV contracts and/or getting rid of in market blackouts.
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(04-03-2018 09:26 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:49 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 07:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-03-2018 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 11:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.

MLB.tv has around 4 million subscribers and that's with the baseball fan in Chicago unable to watch the Cubs or White Sox on MLB.tv. The fan in Connecticut can't see the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Fans in Arkansas and Oklahoma can't watch any game involving the Cardinals, Rangers, Royals, or Astros.

We really don't know what streaming sports can do.

4 million subscribers for a streaming service that has been around 15 years for video and about 20 for audio.

MLB.TV is also one of the more expensive streaming services too.

I think ESPN+ press release say they are going to charge $25/month for it. I know you can buy a whole season for about $10/month if you pay in full upfront and early, even less if you have a student or military discount. They even have special one day sales throughout the year, like on father's day, where you can get the rest of the season with an very generous discount.

I would think most MLB.TV subscribers pay annually though, so I don't know how much more room there is for growth on that spectrum as the amount of people who are willing to fork out over $100 up front for out of market, regular season baseball will be limited. Paying monthly would make MLB.TV more expensive than Sling Orange which includes ESPN and Turner networks for sports.

MLB.tv is cheap compared to NHL Gamecenter. Expensive compared to MLS Direct Kick.

I didn't realize NHL Game Center cost more per season than MLB.TV and the same price per month.

That is insane
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(04-03-2018 11:32 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
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(04-03-2018 12:21 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Question: Will the content from ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU also be on ESPN+?


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No. To get those, you still need a cable log in I believe.


So + will be primarily a carrier of secondary games, which will make this good for FCS and G5.


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Exactly. Think of it more as ESPN selling the content they used to give away for free on ESPN3.
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Yep. Talking about ESPN+, there is other content which might be interesting. Linda Cohn and Barry Melrose with an NHL highlight show every night. All of the 30 for 30s. ESPN FC (the soccer show that used to be on ESPNews).

What will be interesting is if ESPN places softball and baseball regional coverage on ESPN+. There will be a lot of outcry from people if that happens. They have the Bases Loaded coverage for both on digital cable and DirecTV, but people want more.
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(04-12-2018 09:31 AM)sctvman Wrote:  What will be interesting is if ESPN places softball and baseball regional coverage on ESPN+. There will be a lot of outcry from people if that happens. They have the Bases Loaded coverage for both on digital cable and DirecTV, but people want more.

I don't think people would complain if the college baseball and softball tournaments get additional coverage on ESPN+ above the games that are already shown on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. In fact, it would be a good use of ESPN+ to provide coverage for all of the regional games not shown on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. OTOH if the coverage on the "cable" ESPN channels is drastically cut back and those games moved to ESPN+, then some people would grumble.
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ESPN+ shows support for iOS, Android, Apple TV Gen 4, Chromecast and Amazon Fire but not Roku.
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(04-12-2018 11:30 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 09:31 AM)sctvman Wrote:  What will be interesting is if ESPN places softball and baseball regional coverage on ESPN+. There will be a lot of outcry from people if that happens. They have the Bases Loaded coverage for both on digital cable and DirecTV, but people want more.

I don't think people would complain if the college baseball and softball tournaments get additional coverage on ESPN+ above the games that are already shown on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. In fact, it would be a good use of ESPN+ to provide coverage for all of the regional games not shown on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. OTOH if the coverage on the "cable" ESPN channels is drastically cut back and those games moved to ESPN+, then some people would grumble.

More than grumble. I bet a LOT of ESPN subscribers are like me, very keen to see what content is shifted from what we currently get with our purchase of the ESPN cable channels to "+", as that would represent a reduction of content without a commensurate cut in price.

I have some issue with ESPN signing up or creating new content and putting it on "+", but not much of one because I was never getting that to begin with. But shifting stuff that was already included in my cable bill to "+" is another matter entirely.
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