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RE: ESPN+ Rolls out on April 12
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(04-02-2018 12:43 PM)sctvman Wrote:  ESPN3 is going away after 4/11. The only things that will remain are ACC and SEC spring sports content.

Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.
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(04-02-2018 04:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(04-02-2018 12:43 PM)sctvman Wrote:  ESPN3 is going away after 4/11. The only things that will remain are ACC and SEC spring sports content.

Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.

I think they play on the order of 25 weeknight games in football vs 9. Not sure how well they are liking that.
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Hope it is successful. I know I am currently not planning to get it since I typically get the majority of games I want to see.
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(04-02-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 12:43 PM)sctvman Wrote:  ESPN3 is going away after 4/11. The only things that will remain are ACC and SEC spring sports content.

Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.

I think they play on the order of 25 weeknight games in football vs 9. Not sure how well they are liking that.

So the MACATION tues and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday espn games that are staples for bars across America in October and November are going off tv and on to non tv ESPN plus now? That sucks!
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(04-02-2018 06:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.

I think they play on the order of 25 weeknight games in football vs 9. Not sure how well they are liking that.

So the MACATION tues and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday espn games that are staples for bars across America in October and November are going off tv and on to non tv ESPN plus now? That sucks!
No they are not.
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Kinda of confused. MAC play on ESPN Tuesday and Wednesday nights, highly doubtful they are getting pulled off for ESPN+.
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(04-02-2018 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Kinda of confused. MAC play on ESPN Tuesday and Wednesday nights, highly doubtful they are getting pulled off for ESPN+.

I saw on this very thread they’d lose 16 of their 25 linear games to this.
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(04-02-2018 07:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Kinda of confused. MAC play on ESPN Tuesday and Wednesday nights, highly doubtful they are getting pulled off for ESPN+.

I saw on this very thread they’d lose 16 of their 25 linear games to this.

I just walked back through the thread. I didn't see that anywhere in this thread.

Now maybe ESPN is going to stop subbing to CBSSN, in which case they would lose some exposure but I've not see it.
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(04-02-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 12:43 PM)sctvman Wrote:  ESPN3 is going away after 4/11. The only things that will remain are ACC and SEC spring sports content.

Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.

I think they play on the order of 25 weeknight games in football vs 9. Not sure how well they are liking that.
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This is where I got the idea. I’m sorry, I read it wrong. I thought the 9 of 25 and the talk of “triggering a re negotiation with ESPN” applied to this.
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(04-02-2018 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So pretty much most of the MAC and Sunbelt games are heading there also.

Non linear stuff.

Yep , which is pretty much most of the games.
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(04-02-2018 07:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:19 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So pretty much most of the MAC and Sunbelt games are heading there also.

Non linear stuff.

Yep , which is pretty much most of the games.

In FB I think the MAC is about 50/50 linear with its ESPN offerings. However ESPN3 will continue to produce games free of charge.

Its going to be stuff that is self produced moving there.
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Quote:While certain aspects, like the MLB and NHL games, are brand new, one of ESPN3's main draws is a wealth of college games in lesser-watched sports or conferences, as well as expanded coverage of Grand Slam tennis and global competitions like cricket. The network has so far been vague about which leagues and games will get cannibalized from ESPN3, or how many, but ESPN did confirm that some of ESPN3's programming will change.

“Most ESPN+ programming will be new and additive, not available to our existing nets (including ESPN3),” a spokesperson for ESPN told Deadspin. “ESPN3 will still have thousands of live events and, while some content will shift to ESPN+, we will actively program live events across both platforms.”

https://deadspin.com/espns-new-4-99-a-mo...1824262409
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(04-02-2018 07:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Seems like that would require yet another renegotiation of the MAC contract since their deal calls for a ton of their content to be on ESPN-3 (which unlike ESPN-Plus, is free for most anyone with a cable subscription that includes ESPN). The current MAC deal also requires significant investment on the MAC's part to produce content specifically for ESPN-3. Unilaterally moving the MAC content to a paid subscription service seems to me to be a big enough change to trigger renegotiation.

Depends on the contract. I'll wager that it only specifies that ESPN owns the digital distribution rights and doesn't specify how they are to be distributed by ESPN.

Could be. If thats the case--I wonder how the MAC conference officials feel about the deal. I think you have say the MAC deal would be worse than it was when first announced. That said, it still pays almost twice the Sunbelt (which has similar ESPN-Plus coverage), so---I imagine the MAC schools are still generally pleased with the terms....but probably regret not being more specific in the negotiations. lol...they better be happy since they are tied to deal for quite some time.

I think they play on the order of 25 weeknight games in football vs 9. Not sure how well they are liking that.
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This is where I got the idea. I’m sorry, I read it wrong. I thought the 9 of 25 and the talk of “triggering a re negotiation with ESPN” applied to this.

Ah 04-cheers
No Sun Belt receives less money than the MAC but Sun Belt only has to play 9 weeknight games (title game will be on a Saturday and is the 10th game). MAC has like 25 weeknight games.
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(04-02-2018 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Kinda of confused. MAC play on ESPN Tuesday and Wednesday nights, highly doubtful they are getting pulled off for ESPN+.

Nobody said that. The MAC has many many football and basketball games during the year on ESPN3. If they shut down EDPN3 as one poster claimed would happen in April—all that MAC content would be moving to ESPN-Plus. All thier weekday stuff and any weekend linear slots would not change.
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(04-02-2018 10:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-02-2018 06:48 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Kinda of confused. MAC play on ESPN Tuesday and Wednesday nights, highly doubtful they are getting pulled off for ESPN+.

Nobody said that. The MAC has many many football and basketball games during the year on ESPN3. If they shut down EDPN3 as one poster claimed would happen in April—all that MAC content would be moving to ESPN-Plus. All thier weekday stuff and any weekend linear slots would not change.

1) They are not getting rid of ESPN3. ESPN3 is going to serve as the next level down from ESPNU as it currently does.

2) The stuff moving to ESPN+ is most likely the you pay the production cost stuff from the college conferences that is clogging up ESPN3. MAC football production is paid for by ESPN.

3) SBC deal is about producing a ton of new content for ESPN+. Baseball games they'd put on there.

Now could ESPN3 be phased out at some point? Its possible should the market move away from cable subscriptions dramatically. Its possible if ESPN+ subscription base rises above 20 million. That is going to take years.
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ESPN+ is still an experiment.

1) Will people bother to pay $4.99 for a sports App a month? They'll do it for a music service which has formed the replacement for a CD collection. What is the market for sports.

2) Since you can cut and resign the app whenever you want are they going to get people who pick it up just for the baseball season?

3) Will people be bored of ESPN+ after its initial rollout?

HBO and Showtime have like 2 or 3 million streaming subscribers counting all the IPTV and standalone options. I can't expect ESPN+ to get more for 2nd tier sports content.
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Yep. Some of the stuff they put on ESPN3 now moving to ESPN+ is stuff that maybe a couple of hundred viewers watch. The Olympic sports from smaller leagues, the low-level basketball.

ESPN+ is adding extra golf coverage (which you pay for now additionally), plus boxing, rugby, additional courts of tennis majors (which was on ESPN3), and other stuff.

$5 a month is cheap compared to CUSA charging $6.99 to watch any non-TV game and getting a terrible product that freezes.
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(04-02-2018 10:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Yep. Some of the stuff they put on ESPN3 now moving to ESPN+ is stuff that maybe a couple of hundred viewers watch. The Olympic sports from smaller leagues, the low-level basketball.

ESPN+ is adding extra golf coverage (which you pay for now additionally), plus boxing, rugby, additional courts of tennis majors (which was on ESPN3), and other stuff.

$5 a month is cheap compared to CUSA charging $6.99 to watch any non-TV game and getting a terrible product that freezes.

The low level basketball say ASun level basketball will probably keep a limited number of games on ESPN3 as part of their agreement.
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2020 predicted market share. Netflix and Hulu will have about 15 years in the streaming market while the premium movie channels about 5.

Netflix 65 million
Hulu VOD 40 million
Starz 5.9 million
Showtime 5.8 million
HBO 5.6 million
CBS All-Access 4.8 million
Sling TV 3 million

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7062...ubscriber/

I don't think ESPN+ is going to take over America anytime soon.
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(04-02-2018 10:51 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Yep. Some of the stuff they put on ESPN3 now moving to ESPN+ is stuff that maybe a couple of hundred viewers watch. The Olympic sports from smaller leagues, the low-level basketball.

ESPN+ is adding extra golf coverage (which you pay for now additionally), plus boxing, rugby, additional courts of tennis majors (which was on ESPN3), and other stuff.

$5 a month is cheap compared to CUSA charging $6.99 to watch any non-TV game and getting a terrible product that freezes.

I don't think so.

Look again at what ESPN says will be there.
One MLB game per day, one NHL game per day. This coming from the inventory of BAM Tech subscription content.
All the MLS out-of-market pay content plus in-market for Chicago.
Golf from pay service.
Some boxing basically the stuff that isn't driving PPV but some better matches with some throwaway content.
Rugby and cricket that is mostly PPV or subscription now.

In 2015 AState games averaged 21,800 viewers per game online not counting the Missouri game which drew 137,000 viewers.

The ESPN+ focus is going to be content that people will pay for.

The last weekend of football might see some games that don't impact the conference race on ESPN3, the games that impact who plays the title game will be on ESPN.
Makes no sense to try to monetize the junk on ESPN+ while dumping the games that have more interest to ESPN3 where there is basically no revenue at all.

Why would you want to teach viewers that the best games from the Sun Belt or MAC are the "free service" while the games that feature the dogs of the conference are on ESPN+?
Makes no sense to have a regular season Loyola vs SIU game on ESPN3 while Evansville and Valpo are on ESPN+, if you want subscribers, you do exactly the opposite.
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