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(04-01-2018 04:39 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 03:27 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:18 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:14 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  Now Mick is going to have excuses for the next few years. Evan's left early. Cumberland leaves early next year (maybe). "If I didn't put guys in the NBA early every year we'd be winning national championships." We all know that's coming

Give it a rest....

Yes, let's not turn this thread into another Cronin bashing. There are already enough of those. Good luck to Evans and his future career. We had him for 3 years so that's better than some programs get with potential NBA'ers. Not a bad thing for our program either to have someone drafted.

Exactly when will the statute of limitations be up on being butt-hurt over the Nevada game? Two weeks of pouting, whining, and self pity is getting really old.

I don't think it's going to. This town hasn't seen a winner in a looooooooooooong time. And when I say "winner" I'm not even referring to championships. We haven't even been able to sniff the opportunity to play for a championship in a long time. I think there is something special going on here..and not the good kind of special. Honest to god if you asked right now, my money would be on Mick leaving UC on his own accord for a lesser job in the not too distant future.

Oh and congrats to Jake...Loved getting to watch him as a Bearcat.

What???

I mean that absolutely made me laugh. Do you really think Mick is sitting around, reading this forum, and fretting, "Oh my God... They don't like me... That hurts my feelings so much, I think I'll go coach Wright State where they'll appreciate me!"

As a saying goes: "This is why he gets paid the 'big bucks.'" First, I'm going to assume that he's actually out there evaluating and recruiting, and not lurking incognito on this forum. Secondly, I'm going to take him at his own word and think that he frankly doesn't spend a lot of time worrying about what "the fans" want or feel. Thirdly, I'm going to assume that he's smart enough to realize that this is a business and until and unless something bigger and better comes along, he'll be quite fine cashing in the UC paychecks.

I also think that, after the UNLV escapade, a whole bunch of Bearcat fans are not lying awake at night worried about what other program might "take away" their coach. So if Mick does suddenly show up on the campus of Wright State...or Cleveland State...or Miami...or wherever...to interview for their job, he'd better be content with that because I don't see UC making a mad dash to try and placate him again. So, if he decides to "leave UC on his own accord for a lesser job in the not too distant future..." I just might be content to wish him "Good Luck" just like I wished Jacob Evans "Good Luck" as well.

(Oh, and UC would be just fine... We'd have no shortage of candidates who would be interested in our vacancy.)

(04-01-2018 05:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  So if Mick does suddenly show up on the campus of Wright State...or Cleveland State...or Miami...or wherever...

"It is with tremendous excitement and pride that I can introduce THEE Cleveland State University's next men's basketball head coach..."

(04-01-2018 05:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  What???

I mean that absolutely made me laugh. Do you really think Mick is sitting around, reading this forum, and fretting, "Oh my God... They don't like me... That hurts my feelings so much, I think I'll go coach Wright State where they'll appreciate me!"

So my question Jerry, who is the Cronin "mole" on this board?

(04-01-2018 06:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  So if Mick does suddenly show up on the campus of Wright State...or Cleveland State...or Miami...or wherever...

"It is with tremendous excitement and pride that I can introduce THEE Cleveland State University's next men's basketball head coach..."

Wow! Thomas is at Cleveland State?

I wish Jacob the best, It was a pleasure watching him play. On another note I would love to see Gary catch on with a NBA team.

Groeschen is a clown.

Well then Agsavier's front door is locked with Crack moving on.

Goshen is a tool...

Good luck to Jacob, go get paid man.

From my own selfish fan perspective, I would feel alot better about this if their were any instant impact players coming in. I am not comfortable with Moore or William's filling Evan's shoes, I see alot of clanking sounds filling my head in the future. Mahan or Mitchell or Jones would be nice fill-ins, but by all accounts those ships have sailed.

The difference between us and Dukes and KYs of the world, is they all have ready to go replacements lined up. Our entire season next year probably hinges on if Evan's stays or goes. Those other programs have the luxury of multiple McDAA waiting in the wings.

The article wasn't a bad article. Neither neg or pos. Enquire headlines are always neg (for UC athletics and academics). I'm used to that at this point.

Actually, G's article is somewhat positive, praising Cronin for typically finding a way...

(04-01-2018 07:58 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good luck to Jacob, go get paid man.

From my own selfish fan perspective, I would feel alot better about this if their were any instant impact players coming in. I am not comfortable with Moore or William's filling Evan's shoes, I see alot of clanking sounds filling my head in the future. Mahan or Mitchell or Jones would be nice fill-ins, but by all accounts those ships have sailed.

The difference between us and Dukes and KYs of the world, is they all have ready to go replacements lined up. Our entire season next year probably hinges on if Evan's stays or goes. Those other programs have the luxury of multiple McDAA waiting in the wings.

We have replacements in the forms of 3* or 4* recruits who have been on the bench for a year (or more), UK and Duke have incoming freshman 5*'s. Look at UK, the 5* approach works out sometimes, but just as often it doesn't. The advantage of bench guys is they should adjust quicker (though obviously the ceiling is generally lower) and they stay for multiple years. Using one-and-dones as every year is high risk - high reward. We will miss Evans but I think top 25 team is still very realistic for next year (though I thought we were top 10 if Evans returned).

The big question is who will step up. Will it be small ball with Jenifer and Broome starting and Logan Johnson as the backup PG. Or will Williams, Moore, Hardnett or Diarra win the starting SF role. The early season development of players will be more interesting to watch with Evans gone.

Didn't even read the article, to be honest. Was too annoyed by the stupid headline. Who's responsible for that?

Looks like a couple mock drafts have him going 22 or 23. Some still have him going 53.

http://www.sportingnews.com/amp/ncaa-bas...?__twitter


Looks like Decoursey has us as #20 next year with Evan's returning. Where does this put us with him gone?

(04-01-2018 02:18 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Isn't there a date that is the point of no return? I think there is a certain date before the draft that you have to pull out in order to go back to school. If he is in the draft come draft day, he's gone regardless of where, or if, he is picked. Sounds like he is gone anyway.

It used to be you had up until 10 days before the draft to withdraw, however you cannot hire an agent in order to be able to retain your eligibility. This is pretty much expected particularly for a 3rd year guy. He'll have to see how he does in the comps. before the draft. It's kind of a catch 22, as i would be shocked if he was picked in the first round given his play in key situations this year, but if he's gone you would like to get another wing in the fold. Hopefully he's decisive in what he is doing. I see him likely leaving, not getting picked till round 2 and ending up in the D league.

(04-01-2018 08:42 PM)jarr Wrote:  http://www.sportingnews.com/amp/ncaa-bas...?__twitter


Looks like Decoursey has us as #20 next year with Evan's returning. Where does this put us with him gone?

With him I think we're a top 15 team. Our bigs would still struggle but we'd also have two of the best (if not the best) wings in the country.

Without him we're probably a 25-40 team next year, but I'm guessing we'll probably have a few nice victories to get us in the top 25 at some point. It all depends on how the conference looks this year. Wins over OSU, X, and UCLA, though not amazing, would go a long way toward another tournament birth.

(04-01-2018 02:14 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  Now Mick is going to have excuses for the next few years. Evan's left early. Cumberland leaves early next year (maybe). "If I didn't put guys in the NBA early every year we'd be winning national championships." We all know that's coming

Yup. Late this year Mick says "If Evans had not unexpectedly left we would have been a contender."

Late the following substitute Cumberland for Evans.

But remember only thing that matters is winning the NCAA Title. S16 or E8 is just for resumes and fans.

Perhaps he can team up with Bazley in G League team in Canton.

(04-01-2018 05:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 04:39 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 03:27 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 02:18 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Give it a rest....

Yes, let's not turn this thread into another Cronin bashing. There are already enough of those. Good luck to Evans and his future career. We had him for 3 years so that's better than some programs get with potential NBA'ers. Not a bad thing for our program either to have someone drafted.

Exactly when will the statute of limitations be up on being butt-hurt over the Nevada game? Two weeks of pouting, whining, and self pity is getting really old.

I don't think it's going to. This town hasn't seen a winner in a looooooooooooong time. And when I say "winner" I'm not even referring to championships. We haven't even been able to sniff the opportunity to play for a championship in a long time. I think there is something special going on here..and not the good kind of special. Honest to god if you asked right now, my money would be on Mick leaving UC on his own accord for a lesser job in the not too distant future.

Oh and congrats to Jake...Loved getting to watch him as a Bearcat.

What???

I mean that absolutely made me laugh. Do you really think Mick is sitting around, reading this forum, and fretting, "Oh my God... They don't like me... That hurts my feelings so much, I think I'll go coach Wright State where they'll appreciate me!"

As a saying goes: "This is why he gets paid the 'big bucks.'" First, I'm going to assume that he's actually out there evaluating and recruiting, and not lurking incognito on this forum. Secondly, I'm going to take him at his own word and think that he frankly doesn't spend a lot of time worrying about what "the fans" want or feel. Thirdly, I'm going to assume that he's smart enough to realize that this is a business and until and unless something bigger and better comes along, he'll be quite fine cashing in the UC paychecks.

I also think that, after the UNLV escapade, a whole bunch of Bearcat fans are not lying awake at night worried about what other program might "take away" their coach. So if Mick does suddenly show up on the campus of Wright State...or Cleveland State...or Miami...or wherever...to interview for their job, he'd better be content with that because I don't see UC making a mad dash to try and placate him again. So, if he decides to "leave UC on his own accord for a lesser job in the not too distant future..." I just might be content to wish him "Good Luck" just like I wished Jacob Evans "Good Luck" as well.

(Oh, and UC would be just fine... We'd have no shortage of candidates who would be interested in our vacancy.)

You mean you really can’t foresee a potential scenario where that might happen?
I consider UC a top 15 program, so a lesser program doesn’t exactly mean Wright State or Cleveland State.

All I am saying is, at what point does Mick start to believe that maybe he has done all that he can here and decides to move on and start fresh while decent offers are still there? Someplace where the attitude around the program isn’t so toxic.

I mean imagine 3 more seasons of not getting past the first weekend...what’s the fan base gonna be like then? He might not browse these boards or Twitter but you know who does? The players. This crap finds its way into the locker room one way or another.