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This is why all the talk about only playing P5's is a joke. In the end of the day, everyone is blinded by money and greed. Money and greed destroyed conferences and rivalries. Money and greed will prevent out of conference home and home P5 games from taking exclusivity. There will always be a G5 waiting for a money game and there will always be a blue blood with a 90k capacity stadium that would rather rake in the money by playing as many home games as possible.
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(03-30-2018 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-30-2018 10:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I thought Harbaugh had a lifetime contract? 05-stirthepot

Looking over Virginia Tech's future schedules, they sure seem to be playing many Big 10 schools. Penn State, Wisconsin, Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue remain after the Michigan cancellation. Recently played Ohio State as well.

Proximity I suppose. Deep South programs are even farther away. They did play Tennessee. I wouldn't read too much into it, but they would be a good fit for either the SEC or Big 10, but proximity wise probably better off in the Big 10 should they ever leave the ACC, which I doubt they do.

That racetrack game was a novelty.
The folks that I know that went said they would never do it again. They couldn't see anything....too far from the field.
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(03-31-2018 09:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-30-2018 11:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-30-2018 10:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I thought Harbaugh had a lifetime contract? 05-stirthepot

Looking over Virginia Tech's future schedules, they sure seem to be playing many Big 10 schools. Penn State, Wisconsin, Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue remain after the Michigan cancellation. Recently played Ohio State as well.

Proximity I suppose. Deep South programs are even farther away. They did play Tennessee. I wouldn't read too much into it, but they would be a good fit for either the SEC or Big 10, but proximity wise probably better off in the Big 10 should they ever leave the ACC, which I doubt they do.

That racetrack game was a novelty.
The folks that I know that went said they would never do it again. They couldn't see anything....too far from the field.

People had to know, given the size of tracks, that they were going to be observing dots through binoculars. But agreed on the conditions and novelty.
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(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.
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(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.
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(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.
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(03-31-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.

Its just economics.
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(03-31-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.

In my mind it's the fans who are paying $75 for a ticket, $50 to park and $20 for concessions - all to see a game like Arkansas State vs Michigan - who are the real enablers. Fans will get better games only when they stop paying for bad ones.
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(03-31-2018 10:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.

In my mind it's the fans who are paying $75 for a ticket, $50 to park and $20 for concessions - all to see a game like Arkansas State vs Michigan - who are the real enablers. Fans will get better games only when they stop paying for bad ones.

True, but that's a tough leap if you're a real diehard. Giving up your season tickets to protest scheduling games like that means you might not have a ticket for Michigan-Ohio State, or might have to pay the cost of a season ticket to get one.

And even that might not curb the coach's desire to have a "breather" on the schedule, because even teams that don't have the nearly-guaranteed sellouts like Michigan does still schedule those games. Or they schedule games vs. FCS teams because the payout is one-third or less of what Michigan will pay Arkansas State.
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(03-31-2018 10:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  In my mind it's the fans who are paying $75 for a ticket, $50 to park and $20 for concessions - all to see a game like Arkansas State vs Michigan - who are the real enablers. Fans will get better games only when they stop paying for bad ones.

I think those fans should be applauded. Why should I be interested in seeing my school team play only if they are playing a big-name opponent? That's not very supportive.

I mean, to take LSU for example, you don't have to be very dedicated to come out to see LSU play Auburn, that's a game of interest to anyone. But the true Tigers fans shows up for LSU vs South Alabama as well.

I should support my football team whoever they play, and I understand that not every game can be against Notre Dame or Alabama. Or even most of them. Or even some of them, LOL. 07-coffee3
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(03-31-2018 10:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.

In my mind it's the fans who are paying $75 for a ticket, $50 to park and $20 for concessions - all to see a game like Arkansas State vs Michigan - who are the real enablers. Fans will get better games only when they stop paying for bad ones.

Once again part of the problem might also be the solution. The schools will gradually shed the FCS and G5 games for more cash from networks that want a larger potential audience for each game each week. The real obstacle to overcome is that 7th home game that brand programs demand each year and the solution is a simple one as Dabo has suggested several times already. Move the Spring game to mid to late August and make it a preseason game against an instate FCS or G5 opponent and sell that game in the season book. The coaches would have a lot better idea what they had for the opening P5 game by doing this, and the 6 home and home's with P5 opponents would make 7 home tickets for every P5 school.

And if we are in four conferences with a champs only model for the playoffs worrying about your record won't be an obstacle either.
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(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

Shoot just listen to any number of radio interviews, video interviews or written accounts of interviews with AState's AD. He says he won't send the team on the road for less than $1.5 million unless he's getting a return game and he intends to buy an FCS each year to offset that payday trip. I would hope other AD's know their price even if they aren't willing to state it publicly.
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(03-31-2018 10:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 04:03 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 09:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Sadly, the finances of college blue bloods make it more profitable to play two pay-games in back to years rather than scheduling a home and home with a marquee opponent and only reaping the profits of one game.

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Thats why the Bama's of the world only play at home or in big bucks neutral site games during OOC. Its just the economics of their unique situations. There are perhaps half a dozen schools (maybe less) with that kind of pull. That said, there are quite a few P5's and even some G5's that do better with a 7 game home schedule that includes a FCS (or even G5) one-and-done "buy" game.

Multiple AAC teams will use a P5 game to pay for an FCS game. G5 aren't innocent in this process, either. Everyone knows their number to a certain extent.

That's true; a G5 team might collect $1.5 million for playing on the road in a 90,000 seat stadium and use $500,000 of that to buy a home game vs. an FCS team. Every team that either buys or sells any of these games is enabling the entire buy-game process.

In my mind it's the fans who are paying $75 for a ticket, $50 to park and $20 for concessions - all to see a game like Arkansas State vs Michigan - who are the real enablers. Fans will get better games only when they stop paying for bad ones.

I don't know Michigan's season ticket policy but I pay a few bucks less per game by buying season tickets vs a single game ticket in my section (which is generally sold out). I have a minimum donation to get those tickets and that includes parking that is closer than what is available to non-donors.

I would assume for a school like Michigan there are fans who love the team but cannot afford season tickets and lack the priority to get top game tickets from the school so a G5 or FCS is the only time they get to come to see their team in person.
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