Quote:Dershowitz said that special counsels are not the right way to approach criminal justice. “When you appoint a special counsel you give them targets and you say, ‘You better get that guy or the people around him…and we’re going to give you tens of millions of dollars. And if you come up empty handed you’re a failure.'”

Quote: “I think Rod Rosenstein needs to say to the special counsel, ‘Do not investigate the private finances of the president before he became president; do not investigate his relatives; do not investigate his sex life.’ Don’t do – to President Trump – what Ken Starr did to President Clinton,” said Dershowitz . “It started with Whitewater and ended up with a blue dress. That’s not the appropriate way a special counsel should operate.”

Quote:“Look, Comey should have been fired. I think Clinton would have fired him had she been elected,” said Dershowitz. “[Comey] did a terrible, terrible thing during the election and he may have influenced the election. That’s not the job of the FBI. He should have been fired but I think it was a mistake for the President to fire him in the manner that he did,” he continued. “I don’t think it was illegal – I think it was a constitutionally authorized act – but I think we wouldn’t have a special counsel today if not for that firing.”

Quote:“Collusion – if it happened, and there’s no evidence that it happened – would be a sin, it would not be a crime,” said Dershowitz. “It is not a crime to collude about an election unless there are payments made, or violations of the federal law involving gifts to campaigns from foreign governments. But collusion itself is not a crime.”

“I think that the president cannot be charged with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional authority. He has the authority to fire anybody in the executive branch – the Supreme Court has said that.”

Quote:Dershowitz said he has taken a lot of heat from friends because some of his positions appear to “help” President Trump. “I didn’t vote for President Trump, I voted for Hillary Clinton. But I’m going to be honest about the law, whoever is the President.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/03/29/dersh...iet-union/

If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.

Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.

Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.

Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?

He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

And the more I learn about Comey, more I dislike the guy. It seems that ever big decision he was faced with was first preferenced with, "how will this affect me, James Comey". Cardinal Comey his subordinates called him because he was sure he was better than those around him.

(03-30-2018 12:27 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

And the more I learn about Comey, more I dislike the guy. It seems that ever big decision he was faced with was first preferenced with, "how will this affect me, James Comey". Cardinal Comey his subordinates called him because he was sure he was better than those around him.

And Mueller was known as "Bobby Three Sticks" because he signed everything "Robert Mueller III," to mock was the rank and file felt was is patrician, holier-than-thou attitude toward them.

Comey had a habit of telling those who disagreed with him that their moral compass was broken. LOL. What an *******.

(03-30-2018 12:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:27 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

And the more I learn about Comey, more I dislike the guy. It seems that ever big decision he was faced with was first preferenced with, "how will this affect me, James Comey". Cardinal Comey his subordinates called him because he was sure he was better than those around him.

And Mueller was known as "Bobby Three Sticks" because he signed everything "Robert Mueller III," to mock was the rank and file felt was is patrician, holier-than-thou attitude toward them.

Do people really think that when you use a III suffix. It kinda has to be done if it's legal stuff. I grew up with IV's and even a V.

Asking for a non patrician, plebeian friend. LOL

(03-30-2018 12:27 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

And the more I learn about Comey, more I dislike the guy. It seems that ever big decision he was faced with was first preferenced with, "how will this affect me, James Comey". Cardinal Comey his subordinates called him because he was sure he was better than those around him.

I wonder what % of bosses across the country have unflattering nicknames? You guys are really stretching for things to ***** about.

This sounds very petty.

At least Sessions has so far refused to start a second special counsel investigation into Hillary ( imagine that!! a repub thru and thru won't start checking up on Hillary before having a UTAH USA look over the congressional concerns to see if there is enough reason to investigate.

Some of you are so sure there are crimes here, what the hell are you going to say if Sessions doesn't investigate, nor does any District USA??

(03-30-2018 02:48 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:27 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 12:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump had convinced Trey Gowdy to take the AG job instead of Jeff Sessions, we wouldn't have had the embarrassing Sessions testimony before the senate, there would have been no need to recuse leasing to a special counsel, the investigation would have been an investigation instead of a witch hunt, it would probably be over by now, and we would have been spared the Roy Moore-Doug Jones debacle.
Guess what I think was Trump's biggest mistake?

I agree that Gowdy would have been a great AG. Whether or not he was ever interested in the job, I don't know. I suspect he's too smart to get involved at that level.
Sessions appears at times to be totally lost and disconnected from all that is going on around him. How do the FBI and DOJ stonewall congressional investigators requests for documentation for over a year when Trump's hand-picked man is their boss?
He's either totally ineffectual or there's something at play there that I'm not aware of.......probably the latter.

I don't think Gowdy wanted it. I know Sessions did. I think he was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

And the more I learn about Comey, more I dislike the guy. It seems that ever big decision he was faced with was first preferenced with, "how will this affect me, James Comey". Cardinal Comey his subordinates called him because he was sure he was better than those around him.

I wonder what % of bosses across the country have unflattering nicknames? You guys are really stretching for things to ***** about.

This sounds very petty.

At least Sessions has so far refused to start a second special counsel investigation into Hillary ( imagine that!! a repub thru and thru won't start checking up on Hillary before having a UTAH USA look over the congressional concerns to see if there is enough reason to investigate.

Some of you are so sure there are crimes here, what the hell are you going to say if Sessions doesn't investigate, nor does any District USA??

If Sessions doesn't investigate lots of people will say it's just another example of Washington insiders allowing other Washington insiders to flout the law where those at a lower level get skewered.......

.........some pigs more equal than others...

(03-30-2018 02:48 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I wonder what % of bosses across the country have unflattering nicknames? You guys are really stretching for things to ***** about.

This sounds very petty.

At least Sessions has so far refused to start a second special counsel investigation into Hillary ( imagine that!! a repub thru and thru won't start checking up on Hillary before having a UTAH USA look over the congressional concerns to see if there is enough reason to investigate.

Some of you are so sure there are crimes here, what the hell are you going to say if Sessions doesn't investigate, nor does any District USA??

Unless it's an investigation of His Orangeness, things move slowly in DC.

Quote:House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Judiciary Committee Republicans today sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein calling for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate unaddressed matters, some connected to the 2016 election and others, including many actions taken by Obama Administration officials like Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The letter follows yesterday’s House Judiciary Committee approval of H. Res. 446, as amended, to request documents pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of former Secretary Clinton.

The members call for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate grave concerns such as former Attorney General Lynch’s directive to former FBI Director Comey to mislead the American people on the nature of the investigation into former Secretary Clinton; the FBI and Justice Department’s investigative decisions related to the Clinton email investigation, including the immunity deals given to potential co-conspirators; selected leaks of classified information that unmasked U.S. persons incidentally collected upon by the intelligence community; and the FBI’s reliance on “Fusion GPS” in its investigation of the Trump campaign, among many others issues.

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-releas...stigation/

If you were fine with Bubba and Lynch meeting on the tarmac in private just days before Cankles was to "testify" in front of Comey's investigators, that's okay. I'm sure you agree they likely only discussed the weather and grand chillins and Bubba applied no pressure to Lynch for an outcome.

I do believe there still are congressional committees investigating the Cankles server and the Lynch and Bubba meeting, though they're probably still sitting around waiting on the FBI to find the perteninent documents.

If in the end Sessions does nothing, then I'll conclude he's an asswipe and has not done his job.

(03-30-2018 03:01 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:48 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I wonder what % of bosses across the country have unflattering nicknames? You guys are really stretching for things to ***** about.

This sounds very petty.

At least Sessions has so far refused to start a second special counsel investigation into Hillary ( imagine that!! a repub thru and thru won't start checking up on Hillary before having a UTAH USA look over the congressional concerns to see if there is enough reason to investigate.

Some of you are so sure there are crimes here, what the hell are you going to say if Sessions doesn't investigate, nor does any District USA??

Unless it's an investigation of His Orangeness, things move slowly in DC.

Quote:House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Judiciary Committee Republicans today sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein calling for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate unaddressed matters, some connected to the 2016 election and others, including many actions taken by Obama Administration officials like Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The letter follows yesterday’s House Judiciary Committee approval of H. Res. 446, as amended, to request documents pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of former Secretary Clinton.

The members call for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate grave concerns such as former Attorney General Lynch’s directive to former FBI Director Comey to mislead the American people on the nature of the investigation into former Secretary Clinton; the FBI and Justice Department’s investigative decisions related to the Clinton email investigation, including the immunity deals given to potential co-conspirators; selected leaks of classified information that unmasked U.S. persons incidentally collected upon by the intelligence community; and the FBI’s reliance on “Fusion GPS” in its investigation of the Trump campaign, among many others issues.

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-releas...stigation/

If you were fine with Bubba and Lynch meeting on the tarmac in private just days before Cankles was to "testify" in front of Comey's investigators, that's okay. I'm sure you agree they likely only discussed the weather and grand chillins and Bubba applied no pressure to Lynch for an outcome.

I do believe there still are congressional committees investigating the Cankles server and the Lynch and Bubba meeting, though they're probably still sitting around waiting on the FBI to find the perteninent documents.

If in the end Sessions does nothing, then I'll conclude he's an asswipe and has not done his job.

Sounds like you've got an agenda.
What if he does his job and simply doesn't find anything there?

(03-30-2018 04:32 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:01 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:48 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I wonder what % of bosses across the country have unflattering nicknames? You guys are really stretching for things to ***** about.

This sounds very petty.

At least Sessions has so far refused to start a second special counsel investigation into Hillary ( imagine that!! a repub thru and thru won't start checking up on Hillary before having a UTAH USA look over the congressional concerns to see if there is enough reason to investigate.

Some of you are so sure there are crimes here, what the hell are you going to say if Sessions doesn't investigate, nor does any District USA??

Unless it's an investigation of His Orangeness, things move slowly in DC.

Quote:House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Judiciary Committee Republicans today sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein calling for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate unaddressed matters, some connected to the 2016 election and others, including many actions taken by Obama Administration officials like Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The letter follows yesterday’s House Judiciary Committee approval of H. Res. 446, as amended, to request documents pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of former Secretary Clinton.

The members call for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate grave concerns such as former Attorney General Lynch’s directive to former FBI Director Comey to mislead the American people on the nature of the investigation into former Secretary Clinton; the FBI and Justice Department’s investigative decisions related to the Clinton email investigation, including the immunity deals given to potential co-conspirators; selected leaks of classified information that unmasked U.S. persons incidentally collected upon by the intelligence community; and the FBI’s reliance on “Fusion GPS” in its investigation of the Trump campaign, among many others issues.

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-releas...stigation/

If you were fine with Bubba and Lynch meeting on the tarmac in private just days before Cankles was to "testify" in front of Comey's investigators, that's okay. I'm sure you agree they likely only discussed the weather and grand chillins and Bubba applied no pressure to Lynch for an outcome.

I do believe there still are congressional committees investigating the Cankles server and the Lynch and Bubba meeting, though they're probably still sitting around waiting on the FBI to find the perteninent documents.

If in the end Sessions does nothing, then I'll conclude he's an asswipe and has not done his job.

Sounds like you've got an agenda.
What if he does his job and simply doesn't find anything there?

An agenda? If finding out the truth about why the Cankles server investigation was handled the way it was, then yes, I have an agenda. The main target of the investigation not placed under oath, no recordings, no notes, her attorneys present? Come on. If you were a target in an investigation by the FBI OD, do you think you'd have gotten that treatment. If not, why the difference for Cankles?

As far as for Sessions, doing his job would be doing things like making sure those under his command obey congressional requests for documents in a timely manner while congress is performing their oversight duties. So far his record has been less than stellar.

Let's just say that at the moment, I have less confidence in Jeff Sessions than I have in the FBI. I hope he proves me wrong. If he does, I'll have no qualms about saying so.

(03-30-2018 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  [Sessions] was a decent senator, but has been out of his element as AG. I think he is more the kind of guy who goes along to get along, which may work well in the senate, but probably not in herding this bunch of cats.

Jeff Sessions has his faults, but I never dreamed someone would accuse him of that.

Obviously the Roy Moore debacle was a huge black eye for Trump and the GOP. If we had known in Nov-2016 that something like that would happen, then yes of course I’d advise Trump to look elsewhere for AG, and Sessions would’ve, too. But I really don’t see how Sessions could’ve been reasonably expected to anticipate something like that.