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If UConn went Indy for football that means zero bowl games.
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(03-31-2018 01:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(03-30-2018 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That said, I see no reason that cant fashion a 12 game schedule with 6 home games. Just dont expect to have as many home P5 games as BYU.

UConn can get as many home P5 games as BYU, because BYU is averaging 2 of those a season, as you can see here: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

Big Ten and ACC teams that don't have Ohio State-like or Clemson-like attendance would be open to playing home/home series with UConn, as Illinois, Indiana, BC, NC State, Syracuse and Virginia already have or will in the next several years.

Did you look at UConns schedules while you were there? Over the next 5 years they have a total of 2 P5 home games scheduled. They have hosted a grand total of 5 home P5 games since the start of AAC play in 2013---two of those home games were in the first year of play (2013). Im not confident at all they can schedule many home P5 games as an indy. THat said, I am confident they can schedule a 12 game FBS schedule. If New Mexico St and UMass can do it---so can UConn.

You're downplaying UConn's indy prospects because you don't want them to leave the AAC. But c'mon, you know that UConn's football value, and their ability to schedule as an indy, is a helluva lot closer to BYU than NMSU.

I don’t want them to leave—but I think I’m pretty clear eyed about thier program as an indy. Their situation and location would be very similar to UMass. I suspect the schedules would be similar if UConn went indy.

I agree with you that it is very doubtful that if they left the AAC and went Indy, that UConn football could construct a schedule as fan-appealing or as strong in an SOS sense as what they have in the AAC. There would be a drop-off.

Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

Heck, the AAC has already set the precedent of Navy football only being in the AAC and Wichita State having hoops but no football in the AAC. It would be hard therefore to take a moralistic/indignant "we insist on all in or nothing" stance, if they tried to they would look merely spiteful, and bottom line is that the AAC would still be stronger with UConn football than without it.
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(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree with you that is very doubtful that if they left the AAC and went Indy, that UConn football could construct a schedule as fan-appealing or as strong in an SOS sense as what they have in the AAC. There would be a drop-off.

Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

Why on God's green earth would the AAC do this? What does UConn football give them that would not be easily replaced by any of a half-dozen CUSA or Sun Belt schools, who would be much closer geographically to most of the AAC?

Realignment-driven spite has ended entertainment properties as valuable as the TExas-Texas A&M rivalry game, Pitt-West Virginia, Oklahoma-NEbraska, Missouri-Kansas. Why would whatever trivial benefits UConn as a football affiliate brings to the AAC outweigh the costs in pride of giving UConn a special status?

Remember how adamant and righteous the AAC was about not giving Boise STate a special deal--a deal that would have crippled the Mountain West as a sometimes-peer of the AAC?

Or is Quo trolling me? OK, ya got me.
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(03-31-2018 08:35 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree with you that is very doubtful that if they left the AAC and went Indy, that UConn football could construct a schedule as fan-appealing or as strong in an SOS sense as what they have in the AAC. There would be a drop-off.

Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

Why on God's green earth would the AAC do this? What does UConn football give them that would not be easily replaced by any of a half-dozen CUSA or Sun Belt schools, who would be much closer geographically to most of the AAC?

Realignment-driven spite has ended entertainment properties as valuable as the TExas-Texas A&M rivalry game, Pitt-West Virginia, Oklahoma-NEbraska, Missouri-Kansas. Why would whatever trivial benefits UConn as a football affiliate brings to the AAC outweigh the costs in pride of giving UConn a special status?

Remember how adamant and righteous the AAC was about not giving Boise STate a special deal--a deal that would have crippled the Mountain West as a sometimes-peer of the AAC?

Or is Quo trolling me? OK, ya got me.

Not trolling.

First, as I said, the AAC will struggle to work up much credible pride/spite when they already have "special arrangements" with WSU and Navy.

Second, I disagree about UConn football. Yes, they are down on the field right now, but UConn is a flagship, the only AAC flagship, and their football has far more upside than the typical AAC school, much less C-USA school. UConn football is, objectively, a value-added proposition for the AAC.

Finally, while you will try to draw distinctions between the Navy and WSU situations and my UConn situation, they will be trivial distinctions. In contrast, the Boise situation truly was different, because unlike UConn/Navy/WSU, the Boise proposal involved money, Boise getting a bigger cut than anyone. When you mess with the money, that's a whole 'nother ball game.
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I don't think there would be much, if any, incentive for the AAC to keep UConn as a football-only member. They have a negative value attached to football due to its recent very poor on-field performance, do not have the history or tradition of other G5 programs, and there are other programs available that would be able to provide stronger football value than UConn.

To put it another way, if UConn knew it could keep football in the AAC, and move everything else to Big East, it would have already happened, IMO. The fact it hasn't should reveal the current dynamic.
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(03-31-2018 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 08:35 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree with you that is very doubtful that if they left the AAC and went Indy, that UConn football could construct a schedule as fan-appealing or as strong in an SOS sense as what they have in the AAC. There would be a drop-off.

Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

Why on God's green earth would the AAC do this? What does UConn football give them that would not be easily replaced by any of a half-dozen CUSA or Sun Belt schools, who would be much closer geographically to most of the AAC?

Realignment-driven spite has ended entertainment properties as valuable as the TExas-Texas A&M rivalry game, Pitt-West Virginia, Oklahoma-NEbraska, Missouri-Kansas. Why would whatever trivial benefits UConn as a football affiliate brings to the AAC outweigh the costs in pride of giving UConn a special status?

Remember how adamant and righteous the AAC was about not giving Boise STate a special deal--a deal that would have crippled the Mountain West as a sometimes-peer of the AAC?

Or is Quo trolling me? OK, ya got me.

Not trolling.

First, as I said, the AAC will struggle to work up much credible pride/spite when they already have "special arrangements" with WSU and Navy.

Second, I disagree about UConn football. Yes, they are down on the field right now, but UConn is a flagship, the only AAC flagship, and their football has far more upside than the typical AAC school, much less C-USA school. UConn football is, objectively, a value-added proposition for the AAC.

Finally, while you will try to draw distinctions between the Navy and WSU situations and my UConn situation, they will be trivial distinctions. In contrast, the Boise situation truly was different, because unlike UConn/Navy/WSU, the Boise proposal involved money, Boise getting a bigger cut than anyone. When you mess with the money, that's a whole 'nother ball game.

The real difference is the two hybrid members of the AAC are very very good at their one key revenue sport. UConn football is more often an anchor. Keep in mind you’d need another basketball team as well. From a performance standpoint—you might do better adding a W Kentucky (solid football/good basketball) than keeping the worst program at UConn.

That said, I think it will end up being a moot point. I think the next AAC tv deal will probably exceeed 4 million a team—which would effectively end any real likelihood of UConn moving. 04-cheers
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(03-31-2018 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  First, as I said, the AAC will struggle to work up much credible pride/spite when they already have "special arrangements" with WSU and Navy.

Wichita is a non-example. If the AAC wanted Wichita football, Wichita would start football tomorrow. AAC doesn't *want* Wichita football, Wichita doesn't want football, everybody's happy.

Likewise, AAC doesn't want Navy's Olympic sports. By contrast, the AAC does very much want UConn's Olympic sports. And they'll act mildly irrationally, if need be, to stave off the threat of losing UConn basketball (mens and womens).

Look over at the Brexit negotiations for how that goes.

Quote:Second, I disagree about UConn football. Yes, they are down on the field right now, but UConn is a flagship, the only AAC flagship, and their football has far more upside than the typical AAC school, much less C-USA school. UConn football is, objectively, a value-added proposition for the AAC.

You're advocating for the AAC to treat UConn football like it's Navy football, with Roger Staubach and major bowl history and national championships (probably, go check wikipedia and see if I'm wrong). When the reality is UConn football is basically UMass football.

Quote:Finally, while you will try to draw distinctions between the Navy and WSU situations and my UConn situation, they will be trivial distinctions. In contrast, the Boise situation truly was different, because unlike UConn/Navy/WSU, the Boise proposal involved money, Boise getting a bigger cut than anyone. When you mess with the money, that's a whole 'nother ball game.

IIRC, Boise's proposal to the AAC was that they be allowed to sell their home games as a package. And they were bringing something to the table--the taxidermied carcass of the Mountain West. (They were able to get more out of the Mountain West because the MWC needed Boise more than the AAC did.)
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(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

I don't believe NCAA regulations permit a school to be a basketball only member of a conference. It would have to be all (except football) or nothing I believe.
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Well since everyone else is offering their opinion, I think UCONN is better off in the AAC than going Indy. Obviously the BE would be better for their basketball but not their AD as a whole so unless they could keep their football in the AAC or MAC then they should stay in the AAC.

Furthermore people seem to undervalue the AAC (as a whole) & UCONN football. UCONN has Temple & Navy for football so all they really have to do is rotate Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Rutgers & some random ACC/B1G teams along with UMass, Buffalo, etc to fill a solid schedule. That's a lot better than an Indy schedule. Rotate some of those ACC & B1G teams along with BE rivals in basketball & you have a tough schedule that also includes Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, Temple & now Wichita State.

UCONN has made some solid hires in football & basketball. Edsel put together some great defenses during his first stop, he needs to get back to that & build on it. With the AAC being spread out he can use that to his advantage. He can pluck a 3* out Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, etc. You can build a good team that way.

Winning cures all & UCONN seems to be set up to get back to winning. I don't want to tell UCONN what to do but from this outsiders perspective I think they are setup nicely for the future right there in the AAC. It just comes down to hiring coaches that can win & I think you made 1 of the 2 or 3 best hires this offseason.


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(03-31-2018 10:34 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You're advocating for the AAC to treat UConn football like it's Navy football, with Roger Staubach and major bowl history and national championships (probably, go check wikipedia and see if I'm wrong). When the reality is UConn football is basically UMass football.

It's funny to me how Navy football is viewed around here. I've been watching college football for almost 50 years, and for the great bulk of that time Navy was viewed as a pure basket-case, body-bag program, yes, like Army one that at a certain much earlier time in college football history had been credible but was nothing in the modern football world. Big powers like Notre Dame played Navy either for 'charitable' reasons, out of respect for our military, or because it was the easiest possible win.

The past 20 years, Navy has definitely improved from that, and now regular beats P5 teams. But that's a very recent development.
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This notion in blaming the AAC for UConn failures in this thread is so hilarious.

Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

The AAC is a darn good solid league if UConn wants their fans back than simply go defeat everyone, if you win in this league your end results will be impressive but if you fail than don't go blaming everyone including the pet for your poor ugly pathetic end results.
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(03-31-2018 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 10:34 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You're advocating for the AAC to treat UConn football like it's Navy football, with Roger Staubach and major bowl history and national championships (probably, go check wikipedia and see if I'm wrong). When the reality is UConn football is basically UMass football.

It's funny to me how Navy football is viewed around here. I've been watching college football for almost 50 years, and for the great bulk of that time Navy was viewed as a pure basket-case, body-bag program, yes, like Army one that at a certain much earlier time in college football history had been credible but was nothing in the modern football world. Big powers like Notre Dame played Navy either for 'charitable' reasons, out of respect for our military, or because it was the easiest possible win.

The past 20 years, Navy has definitely improved from that, and now regular beats P5 teams. But that's a very recent development.

You are both right. Navy's football history is clearly superior to UConn's, but it's sporadic. They are a solid G5 team.

And UConn is more like UMass in football than they would like to admit. They are at best a middle of the pack G5 team, and at worst like most of the recent move-ups from FCS. No FBS conference is going to seek to add UConn because of their football credentials.
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(03-31-2018 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 10:34 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You're advocating for the AAC to treat UConn football like it's Navy football, with Roger Staubach and major bowl history and national championships (probably, go check wikipedia and see if I'm wrong). When the reality is UConn football is basically UMass football.

It's funny to me how Navy football is viewed around here. I've been watching college football for almost 50 years, and for the great bulk of that time Navy was viewed as a pure basket-case, body-bag program, yes, like Army one that at a certain much earlier time in college football history had been credible but was nothing in the modern football world. Big powers like Notre Dame played Navy either for 'charitable' reasons, out of respect for our military, or because it was the easiest possible win.

The past 20 years, Navy has definitely improved from that, and now regular beats P5 teams. But that's a very recent development.

I don’t remember the details, but that turn around was not by accident or happenstance. There were structural reasons involving how the academies operate that have been changed and modified that allow them to be more competitive. My understanding is Army was the last to start adopting those changes. A Navy poster would probably have a better handle on it—but I know AirForce and Navy have made minor rule changes and did something like a feeder academy that has made a big difference,
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Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years
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Hurley should be able to get UConn back on course. Once he does that and brings in the recruits UConn's stock with obviously go up and the fans will respond. He should start with scheduling more regional games. BC PC St Johns should all be annual matchups. I'm sure UConn fans would like to see Nova, Georgetown and Syracuse in the mix somehow as well.
The AAC gives UConn the best opportunity to grow FB. UConn needs to figure out how to take advantage of that opportunity and be more competitive
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(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this. 07-coffee3
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(03-31-2018 11:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

Someone from Texas thinks Kansas is "West coast"? So is Texas now the same as California?
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I guess UConn could become Football Bowl Subdivision schools (FBS) Independent. However, this would greatly limit thier bowl appearances. More than likely UConn football would drop to Football Championship Subdivision Schools (FCS). So would they be independent (FCS) or join as a football only member to one of these conferences(FCS).

I think UConn should stay in the AAC and how develop it into the 6th Power Conference. 07-coffee3
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(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this. 07-coffee3

uh, no.

UConn has no chance in hell of remaining in the AAC if they leave for the Big East. NONE. The AAC isn't going to help UConn in ******* them over.
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(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this. 07-coffee3

They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.
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