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(04-22-2018 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-22-2018 08:59 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The point above that Connecticut was a founding member of the Big East is well intentioned but inaccurate. It was an original member of the Big East but not among its founders. The four founding schools were Providence, Georgetown, Syracuse, and St. John's.

The Big East owns the IP and history of the conference dating to 1979--the AAC sold that away in 2013. That's a contrast to the Big 12, which did not assume the history of the Big 8 nor the Southwest Conference when it was founded, nor the Mountain West, which was essentially the original WAC but did not take that with them.

good point. UConn was actually the last school invited to join the original BE. Villanova entered the following year but had already accepted membership prior to both UConn and BC. Anyone who is honest with themselves should know that the current BE is the BE, history and all. Calling the AAC the BE with a new name, was an attempt to protect the leagues FB interests and status as a P6 . Does anyone really believe the American is a continuation of the original BE?

I've been a supporter of the Big East, since day one in 1979 - 1980, but to parse administrative syllables with UConn is silly. Bottom line is they were there at ground zero, competed in the conference from the very first day.

Surely, the current "new" Big East is the most rightful heir to the Big East legacy of 1979 - 2013, but that in no way should be used to disparage UConn's legitimacy as an OG member. Likewise with Syracuse.

Sad fact is, while most of the Big East DNA is in the new Big East, a significant amount is elsewhere, most prominently with UConn (and to a lesser extent Cincy) in the AAC and with Syracuse, BC, and Pitt in the ACC. Syracuse was obviously a founder, BC competed from day one, and Pitt from 1982. That's a lot of Big East DNA stolen by the ACC.

Out of the 9 OG Big East Members (Pitt, Nova, Cuse, Georgetown, PC, SJU, Seton Hall and UConn) 5 are in the Big East, 3 are in the ACC and 1 is in the AAC. The Big East is the Big East. From 1979-today it's still the Big East. No one besides AAC fans look at it as anything else but.

UConn is now in a glorified CUSA and there will be an internal Civil Conflict (03-lmfao) in Storrs over the next decade for the soul of the athletic department. We shall see which side wins out as the years pass.
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(04-22-2018 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

Agreed. I was thrilled when the C7 were able to negotiate for the name, whatever legacy credits or cash we signed over to do so was a pittance for something so valuable to us. It was Yuuuge to be able to claim that legacy, it was what the entire new conference was based on.

Very happy that Aresco didn't see the value in the name. I suspect he was blinded by the fact that in a football sense, the name was disparaged, and at that time, the AAC was focused on the football situation. He thus overlooked the fact that as a basketball brand, it had real value.

I think Aresco saw what most outside observers saw, which was that regardless of quality of play you weren't going to be able to effectively sell the football-playing side of the conference post-split as "The Big East" and so he sold an asset while it still had value rather than potentially running the name into the ground. Legal technicalities aside, the C7 and friends were the obvious successor to the BE .
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(04-22-2018 02:43 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

Agreed. I was thrilled when the C7 were able to negotiate for the name, whatever legacy credits or cash we signed over to do so was a pittance for something so valuable to us. It was Yuuuge to be able to claim that legacy, it was what the entire new conference was based on.

Very happy that Aresco didn't see the value in the name. I suspect he was blinded by the fact that in a football sense, the name was disparaged, and at that time, the AAC was focused on the football situation. He thus overlooked the fact that as a basketball brand, it had real value.

I think Aresco saw what most outside observers saw, which was that regardless of quality of play you weren't going to be able to effectively sell the football-playing side of the conference post-split as "The Big East" and so he sold an asset while it still had value rather than potentially running the name into the ground. Legal technicalities aside, the C7 and friends were the obvious successor to the BE .

If you had received some long lasting tangible asset in return, I would agree. He sold for the name for about 100 million--most of which was spent on annual operating expenses and none of it was spent on anything that might have a long term lasting effect on the conference. If they had put say 25-30 million into a new high end bowl with s payout high enough to attract a quality P5 opponent---they maybe it would have made sense. Otherwise Aresco gave away a high value long term asset for money--that was squandered on daily expenses with no long term value to show for it.
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(04-22-2018 12:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  UConn is now in a glorified CUSA and there will be an internal Civil Conflict (03-lmfao) in Storrs

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(04-22-2018 02:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 02:43 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

Agreed. I was thrilled when the C7 were able to negotiate for the name, whatever legacy credits or cash we signed over to do so was a pittance for something so valuable to us. It was Yuuuge to be able to claim that legacy, it was what the entire new conference was based on.

Very happy that Aresco didn't see the value in the name. I suspect he was blinded by the fact that in a football sense, the name was disparaged, and at that time, the AAC was focused on the football situation. He thus overlooked the fact that as a basketball brand, it had real value.

I think Aresco saw what most outside observers saw, which was that regardless of quality of play you weren't going to be able to effectively sell the football-playing side of the conference post-split as "The Big East" and so he sold an asset while it still had value rather than potentially running the name into the ground. Legal technicalities aside, the C7 and friends were the obvious successor to the BE .

If you had received some long lasting tangible asset in return, I would agree. He sold for the name for about 100 million--most of which was spent on annual operating expenses and none of it was spent on anything that might have a long term lasting effect on the conference. If they had put say 25-30 million into a new high end bowl with s payout high enough to attract a quality P5 opponent---they maybe it would have made sense. Otherwise Aresco gave away a high value long term asset for money--that was squandered on daily expenses with no long term value to show for it.

Well that's more about how the money was spent than the actual sale. I have a hard time picturing the now-AAC ever getting a better offer than 100 million for that name. The current Conference USA kept the old conference name through almost-complete turnover in a lower-end version of what the current AAC keeping the Big East name could have looked like, but it hasn't done them much good.
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(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

But the name wouldn't have done you any good. The "Big East" would be like the WAC, or the Missouri Valley or the Southern Conference, or Conference USA--a league that used to be important before a big shift in membership. UConn would be like Memphis in CUSA 2.0, a great program stranded in a bad conference.

The name is valuable for us because it's part of our history and vice versa. Separated from the schools that made it mean something, it doesn't mean anything.
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(04-22-2018 04:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

But the name wouldn't have done you any good. The "Big East" would be like the WAC, or the Missouri Valley or the Southern Conference, or Conference USA--a league that used to be important before a big shift in membership. UConn would be like Memphis in CUSA 2.0, a great program stranded in a bad conference.

The name is valuable for us because it's part of our history and vice versa. Separated from the schools that made it mean something, it doesn't mean anything.

If the teams were all that mattered then the BIg East would never have paid 100 million for the name. The name itself had value and 4 of the teams in the AAC were ex-Big East schools. Yes, I dont disagree that the it would have been a diminished Big East---but starting from scratch in building name recognition is infinitely much harder than starting with a known brand name. In fact, I have little doubt that not even having a name was at least a factor in the current sad little AAC media deal. If Im NBC or ESPN---Im much more interested in something I can market as the Big East than I am the "conference to be named later".

That said, I would have looked much more postively on the transaction had a significant portion of the money been invested in something that would yield a long term return to the conference (like a major bowl game).
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The name clearly had some value to both sides and could only go one way. The football side could have probably kept it if they fought, but went away with a lot less money if they did. Their reasoning was likely that without the BCS status, the name was likely to lose much of its football power in a few years and it's basketball value was diminished without a big east coast presence and without Madison Square Garden. In short, it's value was high at the time they sold it, but they figured likely to drop in coming years given changes and the money was the more immediate need.It still had value for sure as it was a reminder that the conference had been to big time bowls and had great basketball success, but it was, at the end of the day, worth less to them than to the C7, so they sold it off at a very high price.
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(04-22-2018 06:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 04:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

But the name wouldn't have done you any good. The "Big East" would be like the WAC, or the Missouri Valley or the Southern Conference, or Conference USA--a league that used to be important before a big shift in membership. UConn would be like Memphis in CUSA 2.0, a great program stranded in a bad conference.

The name is valuable for us because it's part of our history and vice versa. Separated from the schools that made it mean something, it doesn't mean anything.

If the teams were all that mattered then the BIg East would never have paid 100 million for the name. The name itself had value and 4 of the teams in the AAC were ex-Big East schools. Yes, I dont disagree that the it would have been a diminished Big East---but starting from scratch in building name recognition is infinitely much harder than starting with a known brand name. In fact, I have little doubt that not even having a name was at least a factor in the current sad little AAC media deal. If Im NBC or ESPN---Im much more interested in something I can market as the Big East than I am the "conference to be named later".

That said, I would have looked much more postively on the transaction had a significant portion of the money been invested in something that would yield a long term return to the conference (like a major bowl game).

That’s something me and you always agreed on (investing in a big bowl). I always used the example of the WAC creating the Fiesta and Holiday Bowls for their champs to play in. That Miami Beach Bowl idea was utterly pathetic.
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(03-29-2018 07:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 07:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I've predicted for years that UCONN will leave the AAC for the Big East once the legacy $ dries up. They ll be BE in olympics and Indy in football playing UMASS, Army, Liberty, Buffalo, BC and Cuse yearly. By 2020/21.

They might--but it has to make financial sense. Frankly if we get 3-4 million on the next TV deal---I dont think it will make financial sense. Truthfully, I dont think there is a chance in hell the next deal will pay less than 3-4 million per team.

A valid question for you. Who should the AAC replace UConn with, if this does happen?
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Two pages of a slap fight unrelated to the OP is way over the line. Next one to do this gets the ban.

I cleaned up the slap fight, now carry on with the thread.

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(04-22-2018 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 12:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  UConn is now in a glorified CUSA and there will be an internal Civil Conflict (03-lmfao) in Storrs

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Well CUSA didn't win 3 ny6 bowls, a men's basketball championship and several women's basketball championships in a 5yr period.. although the AAC is technically the old big East, the NBE is the true big heir. The AAC is no more the big East than the AAC is a "glorified CUSA ".
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(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 09:38 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 08:59 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The point above that Connecticut was a founding member of the Big East is well intentioned but inaccurate. It was an original member of the Big East but not among its founders. The four founding schools were Providence, Georgetown, Syracuse, and St. John's.

The Big East owns the IP and history of the conference dating to 1979--the AAC sold that away in 2013. That's a contrast to the Big 12, which did not assume the history of the Big 8 nor the Southwest Conference when it was founded, nor the Mountain West, which was essentially the original WAC but did not take that with them.

good point. UConn was actually the last school invited to join the original BE. Villanova entered the following year but had already accepted membership prior to both UConn and BC. Anyone who is honest with themselves should know that the current BE is the BE, history and all. Calling the AAC the BE with a new name, was an attempt to protect the leagues FB interests and status as a P6 . Does anyone really believe the American is a continuation of the original BE?

There is nothing to "believe". That is "in fact" exactly what it is. Clearly, the membership is different as is performance--but the point he made is correct. The current non-football "Big East" is actually a new conference while the old Big East rump maintains the original Big East corporate charter under a new name (AAC).

That said, selling the name "Big East"--along with the C7 Big East having 7 original BE members while the AAC only has 4 ex-members (and that's a stretch because I'm counting Temple)--pretty much means the Big East "brand" for all intents and purposes lies with the C7 Big East. Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

so the current BE which has the BE name and history of the BE dating back to 1979 is a new league? I know that's how it was presented legally but cmon.
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(04-23-2018 10:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 11:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 09:38 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2018 08:59 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The point above that Connecticut was a founding member of the Big East is well intentioned but inaccurate. It was an original member of the Big East but not among its founders. The four founding schools were Providence, Georgetown, Syracuse, and St. John's.

The Big East owns the IP and history of the conference dating to 1979--the AAC sold that away in 2013. That's a contrast to the Big 12, which did not assume the history of the Big 8 nor the Southwest Conference when it was founded, nor the Mountain West, which was essentially the original WAC but did not take that with them.

good point. UConn was actually the last school invited to join the original BE. Villanova entered the following year but had already accepted membership prior to both UConn and BC. Anyone who is honest with themselves should know that the current BE is the BE, history and all. Calling the AAC the BE with a new name, was an attempt to protect the leagues FB interests and status as a P6 . Does anyone really believe the American is a continuation of the original BE?

There is nothing to "believe". That is "in fact" exactly what it is. Clearly, the membership is different as is performance--but the point he made is correct. The current non-football "Big East" is actually a new conference while the old Big East rump maintains the original Big East corporate charter under a new name (AAC).

That said, selling the name "Big East"--along with the C7 Big East having 7 original BE members while the AAC only has 4 ex-members (and that's a stretch because I'm counting Temple)--pretty much means the Big East "brand" for all intents and purposes lies with the C7 Big East. Thats one of the many reasons I always thought it was a mistake to sell the name unless the money was invested in something that would yield long term conference value (like using it to create a high end bowl game for the conference champ).

so the current BE which has the BE name and history of the BE dating back to 1979 is a new league? I know that's how it was presented legally but cmon.

If my memory is correct the AAC could've kept the big East name and history because the then unnamed c7 actually split from the then NBE. Wasn't the initial fox offer 2-3 million a year but the upped it to 4-5 million a year on an increasing scale so that the c7 could purchase the brand which allowed them to have the Big East under their network banner? I may be slightly off, not sure though
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(04-23-2018 10:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  so the current BE which has the BE name and history of the BE dating back to 1979 is a new league? I know that's how it was presented legally but cmon.

Big East is a new league in the same sense that GM is a 10 year old corporation. The AAC kept things like the Providence headquarters, the tax ID number and bank account and things like that, in addition to the FBS football league, CFP membership and the exit fees from the departed members. The New Big East secured the brand, and major operating assets--the MSG tournament.

(04-23-2018 11:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  If my memory is correct the AAC could've kept the big East name and history because the then unnamed c7 actually split from the then NBE. Wasn't the initial fox offer 2-3 million a year but the upped it to 4-5 million a year on an increasing scale so that the c7 could purchase the brand which allowed them to have the Big East under their network banner? I may be slightly off, not sure though

That was widely believed on CSNBBS, but I never saw any credible media reports that said that Fox would pay extra money for the name.
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The Old Big East should have remained in tact for at least one TV contract to see what the offer would have been with ESPN with pressure from the C7 leaving and knowing what they were negotiating with FS1. Bring in ECU FB only as originally offered, and offer Villanova a free football move up with minor modifications to their stadium to get to minimum requirement of 15k for seating, and offer G'town a minor annual FB stipend of $100,000 to help compete in the Patriot League. Nova would need 2 years to transition and could contract larger attended games in Philly Stadiums when needed as they build their program and attendance numbers, and could have worked out their permanent stadium issues down the road. They would come in as a full FB member with Navy when they arrived. That would have taken the major leaders for separation out of splitting the league. The league would have remained BB centric just as the BE of old while rebuilding the FB program with it new members.

BE - FB East - Nova, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, UConn.

BE - FB West - Memphis, Navy, Houston, SMU, Tulane, Cinn.

To keep the C7 together and happy for BB and Olympic Sports:

BE - BB - North - UConn, Nova, G'town, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, DePaul, Marquette.

BE - BB - South - Temple, UCF, USF, Cinn, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, SMU.

This makes a 6 - 9 bid league for the NCAA Tournament and keeps the BE name in the in the forefront all year long for football (fall), basketball (winter), and strong southern baseball (spring). It also keeps and puts the BE in the NE, Mid-Atlantic, DC, Chicago / Midwest, Florida, New Orleans, and Texas TV markets for contract negotiations.

Unfortunately under this scenario Tulsa remains in CUSA at this time. 07-coffee3
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(04-24-2018 11:11 AM)panite Wrote:  The Old Big East should have remained in tact for at least one TV contract to see what the offer would have been with ESPN with pressure from the C7 leaving and knowing what they were negotiating with FS1. Bring in ECU FB only as originally offered, and offer Villanova a free football move up with minor modifications to their stadium to get to minimum requirement of 15k for seating, and offer G'town a minor annual FB stipend of $100,000 to help compete in the Patriot League. Nova would need 2 years to transition and could contract larger attended games in Philly Stadiums when needed as they build their program and attendance numbers, and could have worked out their permanent stadium issues down the road. They would come in as a full FB member with Navy when they arrived. That would have taken the major leaders for separation out of splitting the league. The league would have remained BB centric just as the BE of old while rebuilding the FB program with it new members.

BE - FB East - Nova, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, UConn.

BE - FB West - Memphis, Navy, Houston, SMU, Tulane, Cinn.

To keep the C7 together and happy for BB and Olympic Sports:

BE - BB - North - UConn, Nova, G'town, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, DePaul, Marquette.

BE - BB - South - Temple, UCF, USF, Cinn, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, SMU.

This makes a 6 - 9 bid league for the NCAA Tournament and keeps the BE name in the in the forefront all year long for football (fall), basketball (winter), and strong southern baseball (spring). It also keeps and puts the BE in the NE, Mid-Atlantic, DC, Chicago / Midwest, Florida, New Orleans, and Texas TV markets for contract negotiations.

Unfortunately under this scenario Tulsa remains in CUSA at this time. 07-coffee3

What was in it for the C7 to remain?

Syracuse and Pitt were already gone, RU and UL were out the door. There was no real history with anyone left except for UConn. Football was a huge headache for schools that either didn't play it or played at a lower level.

The C7 got exactly what they wanted -- a concise, basketball-focused conference that's a destination for its members (instead of a stepping stone) with no football headache. Additionally they were well compensated for their product.
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(04-24-2018 06:24 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 10:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  so the current BE which has the BE name and history of the BE dating back to 1979 is a new league? I know that's how it was presented legally but cmon.

Big East is a new league in the same sense that GM is a 10 year old corporation. The AAC kept things like the Providence headquarters, the tax ID number and bank account and things like that, in addition to the FBS football league, CFP membership and the exit fees from the departed members. The New Big East secured the brand, and major operating assets--the MSG tournament.

(04-23-2018 11:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  If my memory is correct the AAC could've kept the big East name and history because the then unnamed c7 actually split from the then NBE. Wasn't the initial fox offer 2-3 million a year but the upped it to 4-5 million a year on an increasing scale so that the c7 could purchase the brand which allowed them to have the Big East under their network banner? I may be slightly off, not sure though

That was widely believed on CSNBBS, but I never saw any credible media reports that said that Fox would pay extra money for the name.

They also secured the Basketball history and records. Thats a big thing, so it's not so much a new league as an offshoot.
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RE: Anyone catch Jim Calhoun on the Gottlieb radio show today?
(04-24-2018 01:06 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(04-23-2018 10:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  so the current BE which has the BE name and history of the BE dating back to 1979 is a new league? I know that's how it was presented legally but cmon.

Big East is a new league in the same sense that GM is a 10 year old corporation. The AAC kept things like the Providence headquarters, the tax ID number and bank account and things like that, in addition to the FBS football league, CFP membership and the exit fees from the departed members. The New Big East secured the brand, and major operating assets--the MSG tournament.

(04-23-2018 11:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  If my memory is correct the AAC could've kept the big East name and history because the then unnamed c7 actually split from the then NBE. Wasn't the initial fox offer 2-3 million a year but the upped it to 4-5 million a year on an increasing scale so that the c7 could purchase the brand which allowed them to have the Big East under their network banner? I may be slightly off, not sure though

That was widely believed on CSNBBS, but I never saw any credible media reports that said that Fox would pay extra money for the name.

They also secured the Basketball history and records. Thats a big thing, so it's not so much a new league as an offshoot.

Thus my analogy to New GM.
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RE: Anyone catch Jim Calhoun on the Gottlieb radio show today?
Personally, I think the C7 would have seriously entertained remaining in the (then) Big East if it was only Syracuse/Pittsburgh that ended up leaving. Once the second wave of West Virginia, Rutgers, Louisville and Notre Dame hit, there was no possible way that the league could have remained in its (then) current form. Villanova wasn't upgrading football. Georgetown wasn't upgrading football. ECU (even in an original football-only membership) was coming in as an eventual full-member. Tulane was already in as a full-member.

The league was on a collision course with a separation. Frankly, as many posters here have alluded to, it is a miracle that the Big East was able to remain intact for so long. There were years of rumors of an eventual football/non-football split. The only thing holding everyone together was the money. Once the number of core programs left, there was no way the money remained the same - and became time for the basketball schools to break away and forge their own conference. The C7 keeping the Big East brand, Madison Square Garden and the basketball history was one of the greatest successes of the 2010-2013 realignment cycle. It not only (re)instituted Dave Gavitt's original vision, but it also ensured that the Big East would remain of the top conferences in college basketball.
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