(04-04-2018 12:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 07:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTPB Ratliff Stadium hosts high school football famous for Friday Night Lights and home of UTPB seats 19,302. It is a football crazy part of Texas, and could be a great spot to recruit kids from for all sports.
Odessa, Texas might be okay fit for WAC.

Not if you don't like UTPB.
Their enrollment is 3200, their average MBB attendance this season was 364 (THREE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR. No typo) and their basketball court is a glorified rec gym with seating on one side.


At least four Lone Star Conference schools have better facilities to make a move compared to UTPB. This post should not be seen as advocating for a mass influx of LSC schools into the WAC, but as an informational comparison.
Based on 2017 NCAA data - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf

Tarleton - Enrollment: 13,020. Arena: 3500. Average Basketball Attendance: 1502

Texas A&M Commerce - Enrollment 12,013 Arena: 5000. Attend 943

West Texas A&M - Enrollment 10,169. Arena: 4800. Attend: 830

Angelo State - Enrollment 10,447. Arena: 6500. Attend: 980

Abilene Christian (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 4544. Arena: 4600. Attend 1313

Incarnate Word (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 10389. Arena: 2000. Attend: 830

Stuff like that doesn't matter to David St. Any college, from any division is a potential D1 move up in his mind. "They just need 1 big donor to make it happen"......

Here's his tracker for realignment on the CS & CR board https://csnbbs.com/thread-847354.html

(04-04-2018 12:40 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 12:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 07:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTPB Ratliff Stadium hosts high school football famous for Friday Night Lights and home of UTPB seats 19,302. It is a football crazy part of Texas, and could be a great spot to recruit kids from for all sports.
Odessa, Texas might be okay fit for WAC.

Not if you don't like UTPB.
Their enrollment is 3200, their average MBB attendance this season was 364 (THREE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR. No typo) and their basketball court is a glorified rec gym with seating on one side.


At least four Lone Star Conference schools have better facilities to make a move compared to UTPB. This post should not be seen as advocating for a mass influx of LSC schools into the WAC, but as an informational comparison.
Based on 2017 NCAA data - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf

Tarleton - Enrollment: 13,020. Arena: 3500. Average Basketball Attendance: 1502

Texas A&M Commerce - Enrollment 12,013 Arena: 5000. Attend 943

West Texas A&M - Enrollment 10,169. Arena: 4800. Attend: 830

Angelo State - Enrollment 10,447. Arena: 6500. Attend: 980

Abilene Christian (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 4544. Arena: 4600. Attend 1313

Incarnate Word (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 10389. Arena: 2000. Attend: 830

Stuff like that doesn't matter to David St. Any college, from any division is a potential D1 move up in his mind. "They just need 1 big donor to make it happen"......

Here's his tracker for realignment on the CS & CR board https://csnbbs.com/thread-847354.html

Then why not Northern State with its 3552 average attendance for 2017 (Capacity 8000)? Enrollment is reported as 3663. Oh yeah, they'd need somewhere to park their football.

Any D2 California school is what the WAC needs. CS-LA, Chico State, CS-SB especially. Dixie State and WWU are great too.

(04-04-2018 09:27 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 07:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTPB Ratliff Stadium hosts high school football famous for Friday Night Lights and home of UTPB seats 19,302. It is a football crazy part of Texas, and could be a great spot to recruit kids from for all sports.
Odessa, Texas might be okay fit for WAC.

At least four Lone Star Conference schools have better facilities to make a move compared to UTPB. This post should not be seen as advocating for a mass influx of LSC schools into the WAC, but as an informational comparison.
Based on 2017 NCAA data - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf

Tarleton - Enrollment: 13,020. Arena: 3500. Average Basketball Attendance: 1502

Texas A&M Commerce - Enrollment 12,013 Arena: 5000. Attend 943

West Texas A&M - Enrollment 10,169. Arena: 4800. Attend: 830

Angelo State - Enrollment 10,447. Arena: 6500. Attend: 980

Abilene Christian (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 4544. Arena: 4600. Attend 1313

Incarnate Word (D1-Southland) - Enrollment 10389. Arena: 2000. Attend: 830

Another LSC school to consider is Midwestern State. Their enrollment is only 6,064 and their gym seats only 3,640, but it's a nice facility and they draw pretty well even when they don't have a great record.





Here are overall records and home attendance for the LSC schools for the just-completed 2017-18 season:

Midwestern State (11-18) 1377
West Texas A&M (32-4) 1303
Tarleton State (19-11) 1098
Texas A&M Commerce (22-9) 870
Angelo State (18-11) 550

Is there any articles stating Midwestern St wants to go D1?????

(04-08-2018 06:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Is there any articles stating Midwestern St wants to go D1?????

None that I can find. Just putting out names of some LSC schools it would make sense for Hurd to be talking to if he isn’t already. Maybe someone other than Tarleton would be willing to mull it over. You never know.

(04-08-2018 06:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 06:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Is there any articles stating Midwestern St wants to go D1?????

None that I can find. Just putting out names of some LSC schools it would make sense for Hurd to be talking to if he isn’t already. Maybe someone other than Tarleton would be willing to mull it over. You never know.

No, Midwestern has not explored D1 to my knowledge. I believe that only Tarleton, A&M-Commerce, and Angelo State have commissioned D1 studies.

I debated including Midwestern in my list but I didn't want it to seem like I was advocating for the entire league to make the jump. Despite their small size and budget ($6-7m) they have been successful at the D2 level.

Last 10 years,
1 National Title (Womens Golf 2015), 11 Regional Champs, 64 NCAA tournament appearances and 30 conference titles across all sports.

Arena holds 3640.

The reason I put UTPB as a future target because it is a football talent riched area to recruit from. Playing in Odessa could bring in d1 schools to play them which could draw more people.


Something is brewing when UTT applied this year to D2, and now UT-Dallas is looking to move up to D2. That could mean that there might be more than one Lone Star Conference Texas schools could be moving up. Tarleton State is one, but who is the other? Angelo State? West Texas A&M? Commerce? Kingsville?

Please stop.

(04-11-2018 01:21 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Please stop.

Right! It’s should be moved next to the smack talk in its own expansion conspiracy theories. No need for this on the main board

That's what he does. Hijack every thread with fantasy D2 call-ups.

(04-11-2018 02:49 PM)AZcats Wrote:  That's what he does. Hijack every thread with fantasy D2 call-ups.

Talking about how those D2 schools would beat us all.

(04-11-2018 05:02 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 02:49 PM)AZcats Wrote:  That's what he does. Hijack every thread with fantasy D2 call-ups.

Talking about how those D2 schools would beat us all.

I have this guy on ignore, and if you see who started this thread is me. The person who seems to be hijacking threads is the people like him complaining. If he does not these threads? he should not take part in them in the first place.

(04-11-2018 08:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 05:02 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 02:49 PM)AZcats Wrote:  That's what he does. Hijack every thread with fantasy D2 call-ups.

Talking about how those D2 schools would beat us all.

I have this guy on ignore, and if you see who started this thread is me. The person who seems to be hijacking threads is the people like him complaining. If he does not these threads? he should not take part in them in the first place.

I don't care if you see this or not. This was a good informative on-topic thread until page 4 when you actually hijack your own thread and listed about a half dozen D2 schools for the WAC. For added measure you included more false statements. Then on page 8 was another hijack with more D2 call-ups. Oh and, please do feel free to continue to ignore the people who post correct and accurate facts. BTW, where is that ATU-Southland article that DawgNBama asked about?

These type of realignment / expansion threads keep getting moved from the main board because they start to journey into the realm of the ridiculous; with all these hypothetical DII move up conference alignments. If there is a basis of fact like with the Tarleton State D1 study (you posted), then we can discuss the possibilities of how it can help the WAC. But throwing in a myriad of DII schools into the mix without similar supporting facts is just pointless. I for one do not want to discuss a WAC alignment that is simply rolling around in your brain.

Those of us from the defunct WAC Scout board had to put up with a bunch of realignment theory threads with little to nothing to back them up. Half of which had nothing to do with the WAC. This is because the powers at be saw no problem in the WAC board being the Conference realignment board, even after they were asked to put a stop to it multiple times by multiple users. So that's why there's a lot of angst with these types of threads.

(04-12-2018 11:34 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Those of us from the defunct WAC Scout board had to put up with a bunch of realignment theory threads with little to nothing to back them up. Half of which had nothing to do with the WAC. This is because the powers at be saw no problem in the WAC board being the Conference realignment board, even after they were asked to put a stop to it multiple times by multiple users. So that's why there's a lot of angst with these types of threads.

LOL...yup, remember that! There was ZERO moderation on that board. "It was the best of times, the worst of times."

(04-12-2018 12:32 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  These type of realignment / expansion threads keep getting moved from the main board because they start to journey into the realm of the ridiculous; with all these hypothetical DII move up conference alignments. If there is a basis of fact like with the Tarleton State D1 study (you posted), then we can discuss the possibilities of how it can help the WAC. But throwing in a myriad of DII schools into the mix without similar supporting facts is just pointless. I for one do not want to discuss a WAC alignment that is simply rolling around in your brain.

You do get that when some officials at the WAC headquarters mentioned that they have been contacted by many D2 schools that are interested in moving up. One article, I believed on Bleacher Report, listed the top 50 schools to invite to the WAC. Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Seattle, CSU-Bakersfield, Chicago State, UTRGV and NJ Tech were on that list that was correct. The others mentioned are the schools that have been mentioned in this thread. So, if any of these names come up? They came up being mentioned on sporting news websites.

(04-14-2018 09:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 12:32 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  These type of realignment / expansion threads keep getting moved from the main board because they start to journey into the realm of the ridiculous; with all these hypothetical DII move up conference alignments. If there is a basis of fact like with the Tarleton State D1 study (you posted), then we can discuss the possibilities of how it can help the WAC. But throwing in a myriad of DII schools into the mix without similar supporting facts is just pointless. I for one do not want to discuss a WAC alignment that is simply rolling around in your brain.

You do get that when some officials at the WAC headquarters mentioned that they have been contacted by many D2 schools that are interested in moving up. One article, I believed on Bleacher Report, listed the top 50 schools to invite to the WAC. Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Seattle, CSU-Bakersfield, Chicago State, UTRGV and NJ Tech were on that list that was correct. The others mentioned are the schools that have been mentioned in this thread. So, if any of these names come up? They came up being mentioned on sporting news websites.

Isn't there an actual College and Conference Realignment board in the lounge area of CSNbbs? I think the point is that many of us directly affiliated with a WAC institution of only mildly to moderately interested in realignment talk. Certainly not 10 pages worth of what usually ends up being utter silliness posted by folks who seem to be more interested in realignment conversation than the conference itself. It's like flies to a third on a hot summer day.

I'd be fine if every realignment thread was moved off the WAC board entirely. I know where to find that conversation if I want in on it.

(04-14-2018 09:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 12:32 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  These type of realignment / expansion threads keep getting moved from the main board because they start to journey into the realm of the ridiculous; with all these hypothetical DII move up conference alignments. If there is a basis of fact like with the Tarleton State D1 study (you posted), then we can discuss the possibilities of how it can help the WAC. But throwing in a myriad of DII schools into the mix without similar supporting facts is just pointless. I for one do not want to discuss a WAC alignment that is simply rolling around in your brain.

You do get that when some officials at the WAC headquarters mentioned that they have been contacted by many D2 schools that are interested in moving up. One article, I believed on Bleacher Report, listed the top 50 schools to invite to the WAC. Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Seattle, CSU-Bakersfield, Chicago State, UTRGV and NJ Tech were on that list that was correct. The others mentioned are the schools that have been mentioned in this thread. So, if any of these names come up? They came up being mentioned on sporting news websites.

Hey, we get it...you like to speculate. Nothing wrong with what-if threads. I think most here are just wanting that on a separate thread and not have someone glom them onto an a thread that has some real evidentiary (meaning LEGITIMATELY documented) content to it.
Just begin a fantasy thread and ask a mod to pit it, and maybe they will, if there aren't a bunch of others existing already.
As for the article though, first of all, NJ Tech was not in the WAC (maybe you confuse them with UMKC, I dont know). The rest... c'mon...a bunch of schools who needed a conference, and a near-terminal WAC dying to pick up ANYONE willing. That wasn't too tough. You present it like it was a really visionary article. Most all here likely could have written the same thing with their 50 schools and a dying conference.