(06-30-2018 08:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: As stated Thursday, the Summit will transform into the Great Northern by football season. The NCAA timeline for changes isn’t valid because the Big Sky requires two season for no exit fees. The Montanas, Idaho, and Weber St have until football season starts to notify the Big Sky that they are leaving for free with no exit fees.
Quoted for posterity.
I'm not sure people here are going to let you get away with weaseling out of the July 1 deadline. Incidentally, I'm curious to know: what's your plan for delaying this next deadline (first game is Aug 30) when it passes and nothing happens?
It's just a made up date. I don't think the Big Sky actually has a 2 year notice rule. There was no fee for UND because the Big Sky was being nice and for scheduling.
(06-30-2018 08:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: As stated Thursday, the Summit will transform into the Great Northern by football season. The NCAA timeline for changes isn’t valid because the Big Sky requires two season for no exit fees. The Montanas, Idaho, and Weber St have until football season starts to notify the Big Sky that they are leaving for free with no exit fees.
If you can afford the significant financial commitment of FBS, you can afford a measly $1M or so exit fee. If a $1M or so exit fee is a big deal, then FBS isn't a good fit.
EDIT: Hey, look what I found googling "Big Sky Conference Bylaws."
Big Sky has no exit fee, just a one-year notice provision, and you forfeit your last year's distribution. (It's $1M if you withdraw without providing notice.)
Article V Membership, Section 5 Withdrawal
Quote:1. A member institution may withdraw from the Conference upon written notice to the Commissioner and each president of its intention to withdraw by July 1 prior to the commencement of the year in which withdrawal shall be effective. A member institution may withdraw from the Conference upon written notice to all Conference members by the President of the withdrawing institution at least one year prior to the effective date of
withdrawal.
That's badly drafted, but seems to mean 12 months notice.
Quote:3. An institution that has announced its intention to withdraw from the Conference is not eligible to receive a regular (i.e., television, championships revenue, surplus, etc.) or special (i.e., new initiative funding, etc.) distribution made from the Conference to its membership, effective immediately upon written notice of intent to withdraw.
One year notice, forfeit your last year's distribution. Got it.
Quote:B. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION
The failure of an institution to provide proper notification will result in the Conference, by a majority vote of its members, excluding all teams from the withdrawing institution from participation in any remaining Big Sky Championships.
1. An Institution that fails to provide proper notification will pay a non-refundable $1,000,000 fee to the Conference.
a.) The Presidents’ Council, by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those institutions eligible to vote, may reduce, restructure, or waive the payment required if extenuating circumstances warrant consideration.
So it's $1,000,000 to leave immediately, or one-years-revenue to leave with notice.
(06-30-2018 08:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: The NCAA timeline for changes isn’t valid because the Big Sky requires two season for no exit fees. The Montanas, Idaho, and Weber St have until football season starts to notify the Big Sky that they are leaving for free with no exit fees.
(06-30-2018 08:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: As stated Thursday, the Summit will transform into the Great Northern by football season. The NCAA timeline for changes isn’t valid because the Big Sky requires two season for no exit fees. The Montanas, Idaho, and Weber St have until football season starts to notify the Big Sky that they are leaving for free with no exit fees.
Quoted for posterity.
I'm not sure people here are going to let you get away with weaseling out of the July 1 deadline. Incidentally, I'm curious to know: what's your plan for delaying this next deadline (first game is Aug 30) when it passes and nothing happens?
We wont let him off. LOL, still no worries
I will start a Triple Dog Dare countdown clock to August 30th
(06-30-2018 08:46 PM)NoDak Wrote: As stated Thursday, the Summit will transform into the Great Northern by football season. The NCAA timeline for changes isn’t valid because the Big Sky requires two season for no exit fees. The Montanas, Idaho, and Weber St have until football season starts to notify the Big Sky that they are leaving for free with no exit fees.
If you can afford the significant financial commitment of FBS, you can afford a measly $1M or so exit fee. If a $1M or so exit fee is a big deal, then FBS isn't a good fit.
EDIT: Hey, look what I found googling "Big Sky Conference Bylaws."
Big Sky has no exit fee, just a one-year notice provision, and you forfeit your last year's distribution. (It's $1M if you withdraw without providing notice.)
Article V Membership, Section 5 Withdrawal
Quote:1. A member institution may withdraw from the Conference upon written notice to the Commissioner and each president of its intention to withdraw by July 1 prior to the commencement of the year in which withdrawal shall be effective. A member institution may withdraw from the Conference upon written notice to all Conference members by the President of the withdrawing institution at least one year prior to the effective date of
withdrawal.
That's badly drafted, but seems to mean 12 months notice.
Quote:3. An institution that has announced its intention to withdraw from the Conference is not eligible to receive a regular (i.e., television, championships revenue, surplus, etc.) or special (i.e., new initiative funding, etc.) distribution made from the Conference to its membership, effective immediately upon written notice of intent to withdraw.
One year notice, forfeit your last year's distribution. Got it.
Quote:B. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION
The failure of an institution to provide proper notification will result in the Conference, by a majority vote of its members, excluding all teams from the withdrawing institution from participation in any remaining Big Sky Championships.
1. An Institution that fails to provide proper notification will pay a non-refundable $1,000,000 fee to the Conference.
a.) The Presidents’ Council, by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those institutions eligible to vote, may reduce, restructure, or waive the payment required if extenuating circumstances warrant consideration.
So it's $1,000,000 to leave immediately, or one-years-revenue to leave with notice.
EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
Quote:League schedules for 2020 and beyond have yet to be announced, but starting that season EWU will play UI and PSU annually, and the other league schools on a rotating basis.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
It doesn't say so many schools are leaving. It says changes in conference affiliation. That could be leaving or joining. It could also reflect uncertainties regarding non-conference opponents availability because they may be changing conferences. But, OK, we know what your expectation of what it means is.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
It doesn't say so many schools are leaving. It says changes in conference affiliation. That could be leaving or joining. It could also reflect uncertainties regarding non-conference opponents availability because they may be changing conferences. But, OK, we know what your expectation of what it means is.
The schools that are in the Big Sky footprint that have football are either in the MWC, PAC 12, RMAC, C-USA's ;one school, West Texas A&M, Eastern New Mexico, Western New Mexico, Fort Hays State, Nebraska-Kearney, Wayne State, Chadron State or the western D2 Dakota schools. If there are any reduction of schools leaving? It could be Sacramento State, Cal. Poly, UC-Davis, Northern Arizona and Southern Utah to the WAC to start an FCS football. The only schools that are logic for Big Sky to add in the future are Central Washington, Western Oregon, Colorado Mesa, Dixie State, Azusa Pacific, Humboldt State, Chadron State (not likely), Fort Hays State (more than 10,000 students), CSU-Peublo or any of the New Mexico D2 schools or West Texas A&M. I think they will stay within their footprint. Central Washington and Colorado Mesa are the 2 best shots since you would give Eastern Washington and Northern Colorado an in-state rivals.
Well as of today, we are now an “official” @thesummitleague member - thank you to the @BigSkyConf for allowing us to be a part of your great conference but the future is now onto (back) some great conference regional rivalries!! #UNDproud #pledgeyourloyalty 7:19 AM - 1 Jul 2018
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
Once again, you're seeing something that's not there. That article does not support your claims. The only "changes in league affiliations" mentioned are Idaho and UND.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
(06-30-2018 10:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: EWU filled its 2018 home football schedule vs CWU, which I say will join the remaining Big Sky in 2020. Their 2020 football schedule is up in the air because so many schools are leaving. In past years, the Big Sky has announced conference games years in advance.
Or for a realistic explanation, they're still debating whether or not to go to 9 conference games in 2020.
This seems likely to come true (article is 19 1/2 months ago, so it will be interesting to see if this goes in place in 2020), ever more signs of the core Big Sky schools retrenching in the West. 9 Games would restore even more rivalries and provide a solution to the difficulty of the OOC issue. https://missoulian.com/sports/college/bi...1c1af.html
My take on how they fix "the Brawl" issue: always have that the 9th game for the Montana schools, they host 4 other Big Sky and go on the road to 4 others every year regardless of who hosts "the Brawl."
Frankly I think this is a general trend, where conference play has gained more and more importance and such games have more value than OOC and OOC are ever more difficult to schedule. It also shows the schools in the Big Sky are not interested in membership changes or football level changes. They are interested in renewing and strengthening rivalries with each; rivalries which in many case go back several generations.
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