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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 02:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(03-29-2018 02:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.

The logic rings true. But, its not like Porter is going to the NBA. Is the exposure that critical for playing overseas?

Actually it is. A lot of overseas teams/leagues don't always have the resources to physically scout players in America. A lot of 'scouting' is done via cable. So being on the major networks provides a lot of that.

Additionally, agents have a lot of overseas contacts. They provide video of their clients.

Someone needs to tell them about this new internet thing. lol


True, but try finding CUSA on that 'interweb' stuff.....
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(03-29-2018 02:07 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.

The logic rings true. But, its not like Porter is going to the NBA. Is the exposure that critical for playing overseas?

Actually it is. A lot of overseas teams/leagues don't always have the resources to physically scout players in America. A lot of 'scouting' is done via cable. So being on the major networks provides a lot of that.

Additionally, agents have a lot of overseas contacts. They provide video of their clients.

Yes, in regards to the limited access to film footage. However, I have to disagree regarding the limitations for exposure to overseas teams. Every college team wants to showcase their players, and any agent worth their salt can get access to game footage from pretty much every college game played each year. You and I would be able to get every minute of Charlotte's games this year if we really wanted it.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.
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(03-29-2018 02:21 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.

Based on what? He would get eaten alive , he's still way too skinny and raw. How would he bang down low vs. those guys (because he doesn't spread floor very well). He also doesn't rebound that well for a guy his size.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
I heard that he is transferring to a CAA school. It is said that he really wants at least two more shot at beating William and Mary since he never has beat them yet...
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 02:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:21 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.

Based on what? He would get eaten alive , he's still way too skinny and raw. How would he bang down low vs. those guys (because he doesn't spread floor very well). He also doesn't rebound that well for a guy his size.

He's not nearly as skinny as he once was. Added a lot of muscle.

He also has a nice stroke, just needs a quicker release. Runs the floor well as well. If he could improve his ball-handling and release...

I don't think he'll be a lottery pick or anything, but he could be a serviceable player for a lot of NBA Teams.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 02:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:21 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.

Based on what? He would get eaten alive , he's still way too skinny and raw. How would he bang down low vs. those guys (because he doesn't spread floor very well). He also doesn't rebound that well for a guy his size.

You cannot teach length/size, but yes, he would have to significantly ratchet up every aspect of his game to a level than none of us have witnessed from him up to this point.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 02:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:21 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.

Based on what? He would get eaten alive , he's still way too skinny and raw. How would he bang down low vs. those guys (because he doesn't spread floor very well). He also doesn't rebound that well for a guy his size.

Put him on the right team with the right training program and who knows? Maybe he finds the situation that improves him enough to at least get in the discussion. But if he comes to Portsmouth, well, he could have and almost certainly would have anyway staying at ODU.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 02:43 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:21 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I would say that Porter does have a shot at the NBA.

Based on what? He would get eaten alive , he's still way too skinny and raw. How would he bang down low vs. those guys (because he doesn't spread floor very well). He also doesn't rebound that well for a guy his size.

You cannot teach length/size, but yes, he would have to significantly ratchet up every aspect of his game to a level than none of us have witnessed from him up to this point.

Right, that helps, but there are a lot of guys his size in the NBA. And a lot of prospects that are his size, but also skilled at playing in transition (dribbling). Trey is not a ballhandler at all.

Im just trying to figure out how he would fit at all. Don't think he mobile enough. Not a good ball handler. Not much of a shooter from outside. He's not going to be posting up NBA guys and he would struggle to rebound.

I liked Porter while he was here, but, imo, he was perfect for this level.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
Really don't get the exposure deal. We have a fair share of alums playing overseas, have had quite a few get D/G League opportunities (Baze, Coop, Frank, Freeman) and even more who have had the chance to play at the PIT.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-29-2018 07:35 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
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(03-28-2018 06:07 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  One could argue that with the exception of exactly two players, the entire Final Four is made of teams with positionless basketball.

Just looking at two teams ... they may spread the floor, but their big guys do most if not all of their damage inside -

1) 6'-11", 245 lbs. Moritz Wagner (Michigan). Works well in the low post. Nearly 2/3 of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60.5% from inside the arc.

2) 7'-1", 255 lbs. Jon Teske (Michigan). Works well in the low post. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 54% from inside the arc.

3) 6'-9", 260 lbs. Cameron Krutwig (Loyola of Chicago). Works well in the low post. All of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60% from inside the arc.

4) 7'-0", 245, lbs. Carson Shanks (Loyola of Chicago). Played very sparingly off the bench. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 50% from inside the arc.

Edit: For positionless basketball these teams sure do need a lot of size, and size wise, Porter was the only guy on our team that was even in the same area code as these guys.

Wagner attempted 4 three pointers per game and shot 40%. His offensive stats are actually very similar to BJ's. He is NOT a traditional post player by any means. If you want to give him a position, he's a wing forward. Teske plays about 12 minutes per game (or 50% less than Aaron Carver). I was looking at the impact players.

Krutwig was one of the two traditional posts we'll see this weekend (Azubuike is the other). Shanks is Janko Mrksic. He doesn't play enough to warrant mentioning the type of player he is.

Listen, losing Porter SUCKS. But, honestly, I think he's making a mistake. My point was that traditional back to the basket bigs are rare, and the game is changing to the point that many (if not most) coaches now prefer guys who are more versatile and "positionless." There are very few coaches left that will dump the ball to Porter with his back to the basket (where he is most effective) as often as Jones did.

Of all the guys 6'10" or taller in college basketball who played at least half of his team's minutes, only 13 guys had a higher usage percentage than Porter, and half of them attempted at least one three pointer per game. Trey is a dying breed. He is really effective for Jones because Jones is old school enough to dump it to him (one could argue this is the "Jones system" that is hated by all). I'm not sure he's going to have the same opportunities to showcase his skills elsewhere.

Coach, I only responded to your comment because of the following line - "the entire Final Four is made of teams with positionless basketball".

I took your comment regarding "teams" to mean just that - the entire team, not just the starters. When looking at an entire team, it doesn't matter if a player plays 1 minute or 40 minutes each game, shoots 1 shot or 25 shots a game. They are still part of the make up of the "team", much like Vassor who played sparingly was with ODU.

For the most part I am in full agreement with you about the game of basketball being more of a spread game versus a low post game these days. Where I would differ a little bit is at the center position. Someone like Wagner that can post up against virtually any college center is still a legitimate center to me. The fact that his game goes out to the 3 point line is just a plus. The fact that he can put it on the floor is just a plus. ODU has had several centers over the years that could post up AND shoot 3 pointers. 6'-10" Clarance (Moose) Hanley from the mid 80's is one of the first that I can recall. That doesn't mean that we were playing positionless basketball over 30 years ago. Or does it? Gerald Lee would be a more recent one.

To me positionless is when you are putting a guy like 6'-7" Valdas in as your center. He can post up against some teams, but not against several others due to his lack of size. He can always move outside and drive or shoot the 3.

I would not mind it at all if ODU would get on the bandwagon and play the spread, drive, and shoot threes game ... but I just don't see it happening with our current head coach. It doesn't appear to be his game. Even if they were to do so they still need someone that can defend the post against guys like Wagner, Krutwig, etc. if they ever hope to be able to defeat those kinds of teams in the NCAA Tournament. As I said, even if those guys are playing the spread offense, they still have plenty of size and an inside presence.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
Porter leaving is really interesting on a couple of fronts. Someone reported it is because he wants more exposure. I have heard that externally. However, I have heard other things as well. I really don't think it is about exposure. Think about it...he would likely be one of the best bigs in CUSA next year. He would have certainly gotten exposure and recognition. He and Caver would have also been the leader of the team. He would have likely been given the ball on most offensive possessions because JJ likes inside out offense and he knows the system. ODU has historically sent many gigs on to play in Europe. Finally, transferring might certainly not enable more PT or development because he is virtually starting over again. I just don't buy it. He had the perfect setup at ODU next year.
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I agree. The exposure line of thinking is a joke. The NBA or any type of pro league will find talent. Doesn’t matter where you are. This is 2018. Any D1 program can be scouted and scouted heavily. If anything he’d stand out even more in a middle tier league such as CAA or CUSA. Porter is making a huge mistake. Honestly the only reason that makes since to leave is that he wants to play in the Dean Dome or Cameron indoor. Maybe that’s what’s driving him at this point. If he thinks he has a better chance of getting scouted at a P5 he’s listening to the wrong people. That’s not the case. He may be seeking more public exposure from just normal b-ball fans but I can promise you it’s not more exposure to pro scouts. Maybe he just doesn’t like Norfolk... not sure the reasoning.
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(03-30-2018 04:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I agree. The exposure line of thinking is a joke. The NBA or any type of pro league will find talent. Doesn’t matter where you are. This is 2018. Any D1 program can be scouted and scouted heavily. If anything he’d stand out even more in a middle tier league such as CAA or CUSA. Porter is making a huge mistake. Honestly the only reason that makes since to leave is that he wants to play in the Dean Dome or Cameron indoor. Maybe that’s what’s driving him at this point. If he thinks he has a better chance of getting scouted at a P5 he’s listening to the wrong people. That’s not the case. He may be seeking more public exposure from just normal b-ball fans but I can promise you it’s not more exposure to pro scouts. Maybe he just doesn’t like Norfolk... not sure the reasoning.

Agree 100%. Scouts are going to recognize him regardless of the conference. My guess is he wants as close to a guarantee of getting to the big dance as he can get. I believe our team next year had the best chance of making that happen over any he has been on since his time here but that's neither nor there and just an opinion. Regardless of what people may say, our coaching staff has done a tremendous job of developing his talents and Jones could not have made him a more focal partof our offense that he did. I expect Jones has been tough on him because he knows Porter has such a high ceiling. i remember the game this year when Porter stepped out and hit a three. Jones said in the post game that the three is something they would like to expect Trey to make and it shouldn't be a surprise. Jones knew he was/ is a special talent and I don't believe anyone else would draw that out of Porter any better than Jones has done.
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(03-30-2018 04:33 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(03-30-2018 04:19 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I agree. The exposure line of thinking is a joke. The NBA or any type of pro league will find talent. Doesn’t matter where you are. This is 2018. Any D1 program can be scouted and scouted heavily. If anything he’d stand out even more in a middle tier league such as CAA or CUSA. Porter is making a huge mistake. Honestly the only reason that makes since to leave is that he wants to play in the Dean Dome or Cameron indoor. Maybe that’s what’s driving him at this point. If he thinks he has a better chance of getting scouted at a P5 he’s listening to the wrong people. That’s not the case. He may be seeking more public exposure from just normal b-ball fans but I can promise you it’s not more exposure to pro scouts. Maybe he just doesn’t like Norfolk... not sure the reasoning.

Agree 100%. Scouts are going to recognize him regardless of the conference. My guess is he wants as close to a guarantee of getting to the big dance as he can get. I believe our team next year had the best chance of making that happen over any he has been on since his time here but that's neither nor there and just an opinion. Regardless of what people may say, our coaching staff has done a tremendous job of developing his talents and Jones could not have made him a more focal partof our offense that he did. I expect Jones has been tough on him because he knows Porter has such a high ceiling. i remember the game this year when Porter stepped out and hit a three. Jones said in the post game that the three is something they would like to expect Trey to make and it shouldn't be a surprise. Jones knew he was/ is a special talent and I don't believe anyone else would draw that out of Porter any better than Jones has done.

That’s exactly right. Porter got tons of run out dunks this year. Blocked shots. He needs to board the ball better. Plenty of touches in the post... high and low. He has tons of opportunities to shoot jumpers. The coaches all repeatedly encouraged him to shoot those shots.. which he sometimes did. Don’t see how he’s going to get more of an opportunity to flash his skills then at ODU. He may just want to play in a bigger league in front of more fans and on TV more. More power to him if that’s the case. But it isn’t going to help his pro “stock” if u will.
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This transfer is all about getting to the NCAA regardless of playing time or development. It is also about getting away from coach Jones who he clashed with all year.
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(03-30-2018 07:19 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This transfer is all about getting to the NCAA regardless of playing time or development. It is also about getting away from coach Jones who he clashed with all year.

And you got this intel from........

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Porter also clashed with the referees all year. Common denominator...
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-30-2018 07:38 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-30-2018 07:19 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This transfer is all about getting to the NCAA regardless of playing time or development. It is also about getting away from coach Jones who he clashed with all year.

And you got this intel from........

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Wherever he got this intel it is absolutely incorrect. Porter and JJ got along really well. Somebody got to this kid. You and I both know recruiting goes on with a player like Porter. Hopefully Porter comes to his senses and realizes ODU is the best place for him...by far...BUT don't count on it!!!
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(03-30-2018 07:19 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This transfer is all about getting to the NCAA regardless of playing time or development. It is also about getting away from coach Jones who he clashed with all year.

Why do you make suff up? Or say things like “most people...”
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