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RE: Impact of losing Porter
I thought peneva was a senior anyways?
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(03-28-2018 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder if we continue man-to-man and have our center, BJ Stith, guarding the Penevas and Justin Johnsons. That'll be fun.

Haven't you heard ...... It is all about position-less basketball these days. We don't need no stinking center. Who cares if the other team went out and recruited a seven footer to post up in the middle. My 6'-7" (or 6'-5") man has him covered (like a blanket). 02-13-banana
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(03-28-2018 03:50 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  I thought peneva was a senior anyways?

He finished his junior year with a year left.
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(03-28-2018 04:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder if we continue man-to-man and have our center, BJ Stith, guarding the Penevas and Justin Johnsons. That'll be fun.

Haven't you heard ...... It is all about position-less basketball these days. We don't need no stinking center. Who cares if the other team went out and recruited a seven footer to post up in the middle. My 6'-7" (or 6'-5") man has him covered (like a blanket). 02-13-banana

A positionless team with a guy inside that can rebound (no matter height) and spread the floor on offense would be awesome. If teams have a 7 footer against us (very few, if any), they can post up if they want. Post ups are terrible shots outside of a small number of college guys. Let em do it!
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
One could argue that with the exception of exactly two players, the entire Final Four is made of teams with positionless basketball.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-28-2018 05:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 04:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 01:59 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder if we continue man-to-man and have our center, BJ Stith, guarding the Penevas and Justin Johnsons. That'll be fun.

Haven't you heard ...... It is all about position-less basketball these days. We don't need no stinking center. Who cares if the other team went out and recruited a seven footer to post up in the middle. My 6'-7" (or 6'-5") man has him covered (like a blanket). 02-13-banana

A positionless team with a guy inside that can rebound (no matter height) and spread the floor on offense would be awesome. If teams have a 7 footer against us (very few, if any), they can post up if they want. Post ups are terrible shots outside of a small number of college guys. Let em do it!

Well you started off bad and went worse from there. We're still talking about ODU under Jeff Jones here. Not Villanova. Heck, we're not even talking about William & Mary. Those teams recruit for, plan for, practice, and play the spread game. Jeff Jones is a guy whose DNA as a coach is very simple to see. Play a tough man-to-man defense, and work your offense through the post. Most of those smaller teams play a lot of zone. Jeff couldn't even force himself to stay in the zone in the first half of the tournament game against WKU even though it had given him 5-6 point lead. Might have won the game if he had. Just couldn't force himself to do it though.

Do you even remember how many games Porter carried the team to a win this past season scoring in the post? Kah could have rebounded last season. Kah could have spread the floor last season. Kah didn't get to play. Why? Because he didn't fit with Jone's coaching DNA.
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(03-28-2018 06:07 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  One could argue that with the exception of exactly two players, the entire Final Four is made of teams with positionless basketball.

Just looking at two teams ... they may spread the floor, but their big guys do most if not all of their damage inside -

1) 6'-11", 245 lbs. Moritz Wagner (Michigan). Works well in the low post. Nearly 2/3 of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60.5% from inside the arc.

2) 7'-1", 255 lbs. Jon Teske (Michigan). Works well in the low post. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 54% from inside the arc.

3) 6'-9", 260 lbs. Cameron Krutwig (Loyola of Chicago). Works well in the low post. All of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60% from inside the arc.

4) 7'-0", 245, lbs. Carson Shanks (Loyola of Chicago). Played very sparingly off the bench. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 50% from inside the arc.

Edit: For positionless basketball these teams sure do need a lot of size, and size wise, Porter was the only guy on our team that was even in the same area code as these guys.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-28-2018 02:40 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 02:09 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Peneva is not "gone" he declared for draft but will not be drafted. He will be back next season.

Pretty sure you are done if you declare for the NBA draft. You are fore fitting your eligibility as an amateur. You can only go back as a student once you declare

I'm pretty sure you are wrong. Declaring for the NBA is totally different from declaring for the NFL. Elmore declared last year and withdrew his name 13 days later. Its a win win for student athletes really, you get evaluated and hear from others around the NBA on what you need to work on. As long as you don't hire an agent you have 2 weeks after the NBA combine to withdraw your name and return to school.

(03-28-2018 03:50 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  I thought peneva was a senior anyways?

Nope all three that declared Jon Elmore, Ajdin Penava and CJ Burks were Juniors this year. All three will be back next year.

Marshall only had 2 seniors this year with Ot Elmore and Millan Mijvoic.

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They will add next year:

DeAundra Murphy (6'4 SG St Joe's HS Huntington WV) Murphy is a walkon but not your avg walkon, he avged 26.8 points and 9.8 rebounds in HS

Jeremy Dillon (6'5 SG Mingo Central HS Williamson WV) Dillon was a 4 sport athlete in HS FB, BB, BaB, Track. He was recruited both in FB and BB. He also won the 2017 Kennedy Award, given to the best HS FB player in the state of WV

Levi Cook (6'10 PF/C Huntington Prep/DePaul Univesity Arnett WV) Cook is a transfer from DePaul, orig wanted to come to Marshall but Dan flat told him he didn't like the way he played. He took a scholarship offer from DePaul worked on his deficiencies and Dan liked what he seen and his headed back home.

Iran Bennett (6'11 C Hargrave Military Academy Durham NC) Nothing said about him yet except by the end of his freshman year everyone will know his name.
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RE: Impact of losing Porter
(03-28-2018 03:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 03:29 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 03:22 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 01:34 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Pros of losing porter:
- Get rid of early foul trouble

Can anyone extract any logic from this?

I couldn't even count how many times Porter got 2 fouls within the first minutes of the game. We played without him in the first half because of that in a lot of games.

And now it will be like Porter getting 5 fouls before the opening tip.

Ding ding ding
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(03-28-2018 10:34 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 06:07 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  One could argue that with the exception of exactly two players, the entire Final Four is made of teams with positionless basketball.

Just looking at two teams ... they may spread the floor, but their big guys do most if not all of their damage inside -

1) 6'-11", 245 lbs. Moritz Wagner (Michigan). Works well in the low post. Nearly 2/3 of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60.5% from inside the arc.

2) 7'-1", 255 lbs. Jon Teske (Michigan). Works well in the low post. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 54% from inside the arc.

3) 6'-9", 260 lbs. Cameron Krutwig (Loyola of Chicago). Works well in the low post. All of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 60% from inside the arc.

4) 7'-0", 245, lbs. Carson Shanks (Loyola of Chicago). Played very sparingly off the bench. All but one of his shots were 2 point attempts. Shot 50% from inside the arc.

Edit: For positionless basketball these teams sure do need a lot of size, and size wise, Porter was the only guy on our team that was even in the same area code as these guys.

Wagner attempted 4 three pointers per game and shot 40%. His offensive stats are actually very similar to BJ's. He is NOT a traditional post player by any means. If you want to give him a position, he's a wing forward. Teske plays about 12 minutes per game (or 50% less than Aaron Carver). I was looking at the impact players.

Krutwig was one of the two traditional posts we'll see this weekend (Azubuike is the other). Shanks is Janko Mrksic. He doesn't play enough to warrant mentioning the type of player he is.

Listen, losing Porter SUCKS. But, honestly, I think he's making a mistake. My point was that traditional back to the basket bigs are rare, and the game is changing to the point that many (if not most) coaches now prefer guys who are more versatile and "positionless." There are very few coaches left that will dump the ball to Porter with his back to the basket (where he is most effective) as often as Jones did.

Of all the guys 6'10" or taller in college basketball who played at least half of his team's minutes, only 13 guys had a higher usage percentage than Porter, and half of them attempted at least one three pointer per game. Trey is a dying breed. He is really effective for Jones because Jones is old school enough to dump it to him (one could argue this is the "Jones system" that is hated by all). I'm not sure he's going to have the same opportunities to showcase his skills elsewhere.
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(03-28-2018 11:42 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 02:40 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 02:09 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Peneva is not "gone" he declared for draft but will not be drafted. He will be back next season.

Pretty sure you are done if you declare for the NBA draft. You are fore fitting your eligibility as an amateur. You can only go back as a student once you declare

I'm pretty sure you are wrong. Declaring for the NBA is totally different from declaring for the NFL. Elmore declared last year and withdrew his name 13 days later. Its a win win for student athletes really, you get evaluated and hear from others around the NBA on what you need to work on. As long as you don't hire an agent you have 2 weeks after the NBA combine to withdraw your name and return to school.

(03-28-2018 03:50 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  I thought peneva was a senior anyways?

Nope all three that declared Jon Elmore, Ajdin Penava and CJ Burks were Juniors this year. All three will be back next year.

Marshall only had 2 seniors this year with Ot Elmore and Millan Mijvoic.

-----------------------------------

They will add next year:

DeAundra Murphy (6'4 SG St Joe's HS Huntington WV) Murphy is a walkon but not your avg walkon, he avged 26.8 points and 9.8 rebounds in HS

Jeremy Dillon (6'5 SG Mingo Central HS Williamson WV) Dillon was a 4 sport athlete in HS FB, BB, BaB, Track. He was recruited both in FB and BB. He also won the 2017 Kennedy Award, given to the best HS FB player in the state of WV

Levi Cook (6'10 PF/C Huntington Prep/DePaul Univesity Arnett WV) Cook is a transfer from DePaul, orig wanted to come to Marshall but Dan flat told him he didn't like the way he played. He took a scholarship offer from DePaul worked on his deficiencies and Dan liked what he seen and his headed back home.

Iran Bennett (6'11 C Hargrave Military Academy Durham NC) Nothing said about him yet except by the end of his freshman year everyone will know his name.

We don't care. You posted this on the wrong board.
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Wagner took 39% of his shots from 3 and another 30% fron jumpers. His shots are typically not post ups
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We need somebody to be able to take the ball to the cup and finish. Draw fouls and make free throws.
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Kithcart reportedly that guy; hope there are others, too
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(03-29-2018 11:51 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Kithcart reportedly that guy; hope there are others, too

Hopefully so because Im sick of seeing other teams do this to us but our guys shy away from the contact.
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Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.
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(03-29-2018 02:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.

The logic rings true. But, its not like Porter is going to the NBA. Is the exposure that critical for playing overseas?
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(03-29-2018 02:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.

The logic rings true. But, its not like Porter is going to the NBA. Is the exposure that critical for playing overseas?

Actually it is. A lot of overseas teams/leagues don't always have the resources to physically scout players in America. A lot of 'scouting' is done via cable. So being on the major networks provides a lot of that.

Additionally, agents have a lot of overseas contacts. They provide video of their clients.
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(03-29-2018 02:07 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:02 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Had lunch with a former player today. Porter leaving is all about exposure. Has nothing to do with the staff. Has nothing to da with the offensive system. It is all about exposure.

When I said, but if you are good enough the scouts will find you. He said “true. But CUSA doesn’t make it easy.” Referring to our TV deals.

The logic rings true. But, its not like Porter is going to the NBA. Is the exposure that critical for playing overseas?

Actually it is. A lot of overseas teams/leagues don't always have the resources to physically scout players in America. A lot of 'scouting' is done via cable. So being on the major networks provides a lot of that.

Additionally, agents have a lot of overseas contacts. They provide video of their clients.

Someone needs to tell them about this new internet thing. lol
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Hah, it's censored by the state.
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