Unless I missed it earlier, this just went online.

Here's the link to the report.

And here's the 2016 report for comparison.

My takeaways:

• Football ticket revenue way up over 2016
• Football received $429k in student fees in FY2017. (I saw this in FY2016 and thought it was that stadium debt payment that the AD agreed to reimburse. But now I have no idea what it is.)
• Basketball guarantees up nearly nine-fold to $73k!! Based on what Samantha has said, I expect that to be even higher next year.
• We're carrying $3.2M in debt for the Laycock Center??? (I guess I hadn't paid attention before and thought that it had been paid for.) Some of the debt is at 5%!
• The Tribe Club gave the College $5.2M for operating expenses in FY17. (Looks like another $6.3M was funneled through the Foundation for capital expenses.) Not too shabby, assuming the TC raised as much as it gave away.
• Overall budget $27.5M, with $14.4M coming from student fees. That's too much from student fees, in my judgment, but still well below JMU's 77%!
  

Anyway, enjoy.

Got Ribe!

It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

I would think there's enough schools that will just take the money that there's no leverage for schools like us.

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

(03-28-2018 01:09 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  Unless I missed it earlier, this just went online.

Here's the link to the report.

And here's the 2016 report for comparison.

My takeaways:

• Football ticket revenue way up over 2016
• Football received $429k in student fees in FY2017. (I saw this in FY2016 and thought it was that stadium debt payment that the AD agreed to reimburse. But now I have no idea what it is.)
• Basketball guarantees up nearly nine-fold to $73k!! Based on what Samantha has said, I expect that to be even higher next year.
• We're carrying $3.2M in debt for the Laycock Center??? (I guess I hadn't paid attention before and thought that it had been paid for.) Some of the debt is at 5%!
• The Tribe Club gave the College $5.2M for operating expenses in FY17. (Looks like another $6.3M was funneled through the Foundation for capital expenses.) Not too shabby, assuming the TC raised as much as it gave away.
• Overall budget $27.5M, with $14.4M coming from student fees. That's too much from student fees, in my judgment, but still well below JMU's 77%!
  

Anyway, enjoy.

Got Ribe!

Great summary, thanks!

Increasing the MBB guarantee fund would be HUGE! Upon reflection the increase from $8,000 to $73,000 occurred for our MBB home games in the fall of 2016 based on the timing of this report. Assuming we paid no guarantee for home to home matches, this means guarantee money was used for these teams to play us at home--Bridgewater, Presbyterian, or Milligan. Let that sink in on how hard it is to get Home games!

(03-31-2018 08:53 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

I thought the A10 had a no H&H policy with the CAA. That's why we don't play Richmond anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood and Richmond are just being a bunch of dicks...

(03-31-2018 10:00 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:53 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

I thought the A10 had a no H&H policy with the CAA. That's why we don't play Richmond anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood and Richmond are just being a bunch of dicks...

My brother, a Richmond fan and alumni told me a couple of years back that the bb series was broken off before a Richmond return game in Williamsburg by our coach because of how he felt that W&M was jobbed by the refs in our last game in Richmond. That story has never quite sounded complete and/or correct to me, although I do agree we were jobbed by the refs in Robbins the last time we played there...

(03-31-2018 10:09 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 10:00 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:53 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

I thought the A10 had a no H&H policy with the CAA. That's why we don't play Richmond anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood and Richmond are just being a bunch of dicks...

My brother, a Richmond fan and alumni told me a couple of years back that the bb series was broken off before a Richmond return game in Williamsburg by our coach because of how he felt that W&M was jobbed by the refs in our last game in Richmond. That story has never quite sounded complete and/or correct to me, although I do agree we were jobbed by the refs in Robbins the last time we played there...

Yes we were jobbed, but that holds no water to me. Tony is smarter than that.

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(03-31-2018 10:31 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 10:09 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 10:00 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:53 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

I thought the A10 had a no H&H policy with the CAA. That's why we don't play Richmond anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood and Richmond are just being a bunch of dicks...

My brother, a Richmond fan and alumni told me a couple of years back that the bb series was broken off before a Richmond return game in Williamsburg by our coach because of how he felt that W&M was jobbed by the refs in our last game in Richmond. That story has never quite sounded complete and/or correct to me, although I do agree we were jobbed by the refs in Robbins the last time we played there...

Yes we were jobbed, but that holds no water to me. Tony is smarter than that.

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Agreed. It's always interesting to hear what circulates on the other side however.

(03-31-2018 10:00 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:53 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It is an interesting question: do we need to increase our guarantees TO other schools or reduce our required guarantees from OTHER schools?

In other words, if instead of getting the $80,000/game from an ACC school next year, can we pass on that money in exchange for a home game against that school (as part of let's say a 2-1 or 3-1 deal).

The ACC money games are against schools who usually have a VERY limited away OCC schedule with no desire to play us away. schedule.

Our best hope are conferences like the A-10 to do Home and Away. We played GMU away this year and my guess they are home this next year.

Also the harsh reality is we got $260,000 to help fund our MBB in guarantees for the fall 2016 season which was more than all our home ticket sales for MBB-that is reality.

I thought the A10 had a no H&H policy with the CAA. That's why we don't play Richmond anymore. Or maybe I misunderstood and Richmond are just being a bunch of dicks...

No policy that the A-10 cannot do H & H. Example Richmond played at JMU on 12/20/16 and JMU at Richmond 12/10/17.

Tony would never end a series...and cancel a home game with Richmond, because of official calls.

(03-31-2018 11:16 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Tony would never end a series...and cancel a home game with Richmond, because of official calls.

No he wouldn't, but I'm supposing this is how the UR top dogs square up stating that they value the rivalry with W&M, yet avoid playing W&M in what is supposed to be Richmond's signature sport.

(03-31-2018 11:34 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:16 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Tony would never end a series...and cancel a home game with Richmond, because of official calls.

No he wouldn't, but I'm supposing this is how the UR top dogs square up stating that they value the rivalry with W&M, yet avoid playing W&M in what is supposed to be Richmond's signature sport.

Both schools have a new AD. Let the dust settle with calm winds.

(03-31-2018 11:37 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:34 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:16 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Tony would never end a series...and cancel a home game with Richmond, because of official calls.

No he wouldn't, but I'm supposing this is how the UR top dogs square up stating that they value the rivalry with W&M, yet avoid playing W&M in what is supposed to be Richmond's signature sport.

Both schools have a new AD. Let the dust settle with calm winds.

The proof is in the pudding. I'd be ecstatic to try a new version of our old recipe.

(03-31-2018 11:37 AM)wmmii Wrote:  Both schools have a new AD. Let the dust settle with calm winds.

Then make it happen Sam! A H&H with Richmond would be great for the schedule.