(03-27-2018 10:18 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  How about the Summit?

UND/NDSU
USD/SDSU
UNO/UMKC
ORU/UTRGV
DU/UVU
GCU/NMSU

Fort Wayne to Horizon, WIU to OVC.

That’s a good league.

Denver left the WAC over Grand Canyon, so this won’t happen.

Exactly. Between GCU and UVU, DU is not interested in their partnership.

Still don't know why Summit just invites UMKC already to come back to the fold? They fit the geographic and institutional profile, while providing a numbers buffer for if and when Fort Wayne bolts.

Merge the WCC and the WAC after Gonzaga and BYU leave.

Well perhaps the WAC could make a preemptive move, if Gonzaga does go to the MWC. As soon as it's announced, the WAC should make a pitch for Portland, and perhaps San Diego as well to move over to the WAC. The WCC will be taking a big financial hit down the line if Gonzaga leaves, and no addition is really going to fill that gap.

Whether BYU sticks around or not shouldn't really matter much because they will have one eye on the exit door at all times. If the WAC can sell the two schools on the idea that bringing them into the fold (and letting Chicago State depart), would create a stronger league than the new WCC will be, it would certainly stabilize the WAC. A bit unlikely perhaps, but certainly something that the WAC commish should be thinking about. Seattle/Portland, and San Diego/Cal Baptist would make good travel partners as well. And it might help the conference secure a little more TV time.

(03-27-2018 12:41 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 10:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 10:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Virginia Tech fans might remember -- how much was paid to VT and VCU when they were excluded from the GMC/Metro "merger"? That was more than 20 years ago, so double or triple that amount, and that would have to be the opening offer to each orphaned WAC school to get them to sell the shell of their conference. They'll probably hold out for a lot more.

Of course one problem is that many of the schools who would want to "buy" the WAC shell have athletic departments that are already run on a shoestring and can barely find two nickels to rub together, so where are they going to get a few million dollars for each WAC orphan?

Seattle may get a natural WCC bid.
The Big Sky actually needs a school for Olympic sports.
The Southland may have a need for UTRGV w fb.

It doesn't need to be complicated.

Big Sky would not take UVU if that is your thinking, SUU and Weber would block. The one they would take is NMSU, but I doubt they would be interested.


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I would agree that the BSC would love NMSU, but I don't see NMSU dropping down.

I hadn't heard anything about Weber St and SUU blocking UVU. But UVU is not really on the radar in the Salt Lake market. I hear more about Dixie State then I do about UVU. I know that UVU accused Utah State of keeping them out of the WAC until the Aggies left. I wonder if Weber St and SUU would actually block UVU. With the BSC headquarters in Ogden, they might push for UVU if they added football.

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

(03-28-2018 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

Montana is definitely FBS ready if they had a landing spot.

https://map.umt.edu/imx/places/54/Washin...202008.jpg

(03-28-2018 03:53 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

Montana is definitely FBS ready if they had a landing spot.

https://map.umt.edu/imx/places/54/Washin...202008.jpg

A stadium doesn't mean you are FBS ready. Half of the SWAC play in that sized stadiums, with good attendance.

Now of course Montana/MSU are much closer to being FBS ready than Portland State or NAU, and certainly more "qualified" than a CCU or ULM, but only if you aspire to be at the bottom of FBS.

(03-28-2018 04:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:53 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

Montana is definitely FBS ready if they had a landing spot.

https://map.umt.edu/imx/places/54/Washin...202008.jpg

A stadium doesn't mean you are FBS ready. Half of the SWAC play in that sized stadiums, with good attendance.

Now of course Montana/MSU are much closer to being FBS ready than Portland State or NAU, and certainly more "qualified" than a CCU or ULM, but only if you aspire to be at the bottom of FBS.

Both Montana and Mont St would need to add more sports because FBS needs 16. Politically, becomes nearly impossible unless both move up. Still think it happens after the Gonzaga to MWC dust clears.

(03-28-2018 03:53 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

Montana is definitely FBS ready if they had a landing spot.

https://map.umt.edu/imx/places/54/Washin...202008.jpg

Reminds me of Army with the river flowing right behind. Absolutely timeless.

I'm shocked that UVU, GCU, and UTRGV have not been working to add FCS football in order to improve their chances of making it out of the WAC alive.

(03-28-2018 04:20 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:53 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 04:21 PM)MJG Wrote:  Ideally the Summit , WAC and BSC would work together.
With the Summit getting the flagship possible FBS schools.
Keeping Denver and adding a few geographically friendly school out of the mix.
The WAC getting ORU , W Illinois and FWU.
The BSC the rest that fit geographically .
Saving travel cost and stabilizing the WAC.

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So to save the WAC, you want to decimate the Big Sky. Nothing ideal, logical or good about that.

And there are NO possible FBS schools in either the Summit or Big SKy

Montana is definitely FBS ready if they had a landing spot.

https://map.umt.edu/imx/places/54/Washin...202008.jpg

Reminds me of Army with the river flowing right behind. Absolutely timeless.

It is a beautiful stadium. Well worth the trip. Cold and Loud, too

(03-28-2018 04:30 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm shocked that UVU, GCU, and UTRGV have not been working to add FCS football in order to improve their chances of making it out of the WAC alive.

UTRGV is doing a football study. I don't think they have finished it yet. If they add they were deciding between FCS or FBS.

UVU was willing to add football to get out of the Great West into an autobid conference (I saw plans for where a stadium could be built and even saw an image of a possible helmet) but that died when they got into the WAC. If they got left out behind again (i.e. if the WAC dies and no other options remain for an oly only conference) they may dust off those plans again and try for the Big Sky.

I have no information on GCU. From what one fan says on the old WAC board, the school had no interest in football. But they do have a lot of money. I just don't know if they have stadium or a space for a stadium. If they added they would make for a good rival to Northern Arizona IMHO.

(03-28-2018 04:50 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 04:30 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm shocked that UVU, GCU, and UTRGV have not been working to add FCS football in order to improve their chances of making it out of the WAC alive.

UTRGV is doing a football study. I don't think they have finished it yet. If they add they were deciding between FCS or FBS.

UVU was willing to add football to get out of the Great West into an autobid conference (I saw plans for where a stadium could be built and even saw an image of a possible helmet) but that died when they got into the WAC. If they got left out behind again (i.e. if the WAC dies and no other options remain for an oly only conference) they may dust off those plans again and try for the Big Sky.

I have no information on GCU. From what one fan says on the old WAC board, the school had no interest in football. But they do have a lot of money. I just don't know if they have stadium or a space for a stadium. If they added they would make for a good rival to Northern Arizona IMHO.

Before they went to DI, they were trying to decide between DI w/o FB, or DII w/FB.

No interest at this time - they are concentrating on building quality in the sports they have

UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

UTRGV is already relying on the school for nearly 88% of the athletics budget and Utah Valley almost 87%. Adding football at either would be a financial strain.

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

As has been mentioned multiple times here UVU will be blocked by Weber and SUU from Big Sky. The Montana’s and Idaho are going to the Great North Imaginary Conference created by NoDak, which will be formed by April 20. No Dak guaranteed it.


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(03-28-2018 09:28 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

As has been mentioned multiple times here UVU will be blocked by Weber and SUU from Big Sky. The Montana’s and Idaho are going to the Great North Imaginary Conference created by NoDak, which will be formed by April 20. No Dak guaranteed it.


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By July 1st, guarantee it. Know too much about North Dakota politics. For NDSU to be cozying up to UND means something big is up.

The results after the Gonzaga - MWC move should be domino fast.

Idaho State then will have to invite UVU, Dixie St, and CWU to the remnants of the Big Sky to fill out a conference schedule.

(03-28-2018 09:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:28 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

As has been mentioned multiple times here UVU will be blocked by Weber and SUU from Big Sky. The Montana’s and Idaho are going to the Great North Imaginary Conference created by NoDak, which will be formed by April 20. No Dak guaranteed it.


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By July 1st, guarantee it. Know too much about North Dakota politics. For NDSU to be cozying up to UND means something big is up.

The results after the Gonzaga - MWC move should be domino fast.

Idaho State then will have to invite UVU, Dixie St, and CWU to the remnants of the Big Sky to fill out a conference schedule.

You already guaranteed April 20.


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(03-28-2018 09:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:28 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

As has been mentioned multiple times here UVU will be blocked by Weber and SUU from Big Sky. The Montana’s and Idaho are going to the Great North Imaginary Conference created by NoDak, which will be formed by April 20. No Dak guaranteed it.


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By July 1st, guarantee it. Know too much about North Dakota politics. For NDSU to be cozying up to UND means something big is up.

The results after the Gonzaga - MWC move should be domino fast.

Idaho State then will have to invite UVU, Dixie St, and CWU to the remnants of the Big Sky to fill out a conference schedule.

You already guaranteed April 20.


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You are the one that put it in writing and signed my name.

(03-28-2018 09:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:28 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 07:34 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UVU, GCU, and UTRGV all have the enrollment to support FCS or FBS football and a student athletic fee spread over that many students wouldn't be felt as hard as at smaller institutions.

The Big Sky would be the logical target conference for the first two at the FCS level. GCU might have a shot at a successful FBS independent--a west coast Liberty.

UTRGV could probably make either level work.

If FCS is the level they feel comfortable starting at they could use football as a means of attracting Azusa Pacific and teams from the Lonestar.

Launching an FBS WAC, they'd have NMSU as a 4th member and maybe lure the Montanas, Idaho, or the Dakota schools into the fold.

As has been mentioned multiple times here UVU will be blocked by Weber and SUU from Big Sky. The Montana’s and Idaho are going to the Great North Imaginary Conference created by NoDak, which will be formed by April 20. No Dak guaranteed it.


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By July 1st, guarantee it. Know too much about North Dakota politics. For NDSU to be cozying up to UND means something big is up.

The results after the Gonzaga - MWC move should be domino fast.

Idaho State then will have to invite UVU, Dixie St, and CWU to the remnants of the Big Sky to fill out a conference schedule.

You already guaranteed April 20.


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You are the one that put it in writing and signed my name.

You claimed it, signed it, and stamped it. Others on here know it also. You put a new guarantee that won’t happen right above this, but when it doesn’t happen either you will deny it. You must be a Democrat.