One thing Gonzaga may need to be aware or is aware of that the divide between the P5, G5, Big East and the rest of the conferences is getting wider. Even if the P5/G5 divide in football is getting wider, it will be getting to the point of where the G5 conferences are getting a wider divide to those who are FCS and Non-Football conferences. Where does Gonzaga want to be?
I guess Wichita St made their decision by leaving the MVC for the AAC.

(03-26-2018 07:24 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:22 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Oh I have a lot of respect for Gonzaga. But BYU is a big time "non-G5" football power. Sucking ass to Gonzaga is pathetic for a "non-g5" power right?

You tell me cap'n P6.

Hahahaha....I love seeing BYU fans squirm over losing Gonzaga. You guys are part of the big boys and have treated Gonzaga leaving your high school gym league like its life and death. Real power school move by you jokers

(03-26-2018 07:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  One thing Gonzaga may need to be aware or is aware of that the divide between the P5, G5, Big East and the rest of the conferences is getting wider. Even if the P5/G5 divide in football is getting wider, it will be getting to the point of where the G5 conferences are getting a wider divide to those who are FCS and Non-Football conferences. Where does Gonzaga want to be?
I guess Wichita St made their decision by leaving the MVC for the AAC.

That they did and there's NO QUESTION the excitement that Wichita St has given to the AAC this season. This was my favorite basketball season since the CUSA 1.0 days

(03-26-2018 08:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:24 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:22 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Oh I have a lot of respect for Gonzaga. But BYU is a big time "non-G5" football power. Sucking ass to Gonzaga is pathetic for a "non-g5" power right?

You tell me cap'n P6.

Hahahaha....I love seeing BYU fans squirm over losing Gonzaga. You guys are part of the big boys and have treated Gonzaga leaving your high school gym league like its life and death. Real power school move by you jokers

Who is squirming? You live in a strange fantasy world my friend.

If Gonzaga doesn't do all they can to move to the MWC, then I don't want to hear Mark Few complain about the lack of effort from WCC schools ever again. Except for BYU, these are tiny, barely D-I schools. What St. Mary’s is doing is a major miracle. The schools have history decades back but that's solely on the court.

The MWC has been down but is still full of committed basketball programs that have a history of being good and relevant.

(03-26-2018 07:28 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Are we sure BYU really cares what Gonzaga does? The Zags leaving likely increases the number of tournament bids BYU gets going forward, not decreasing them.

Seems like BYU fans don't want to be in the WCC without Gonzaga. Though they'd be the autobid team with St. Mary's every year.

(03-27-2018 01:26 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:28 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Are we sure BYU really cares what Gonzaga does? The Zags leaving likely increases the number of tournament bids BYU gets going forward, not decreasing them.

Seems like BYU fans don't want to be in the WCC without Gonzaga. Though they'd be the autobid team with St. Mary's every year.

As a 13 seed or play in round game in Dayton.

(03-27-2018 02:41 AM)spenser Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 01:26 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:28 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Are we sure BYU really cares what Gonzaga does? The Zags leaving likely increases the number of tournament bids BYU gets going forward, not decreasing them.

Seems like BYU fans don't want to be in the WCC without Gonzaga. Though they'd be the autobid team with St. Mary's every year.

As a 13 seed or play in round game in Dayton.

Well the Missouri Valley isn't that much better than the West Coast and Loyola-Chicago got to the Final Four. Though I'd like to see the WAC survive and keep it's autobid, it would be smart for the WCC to add a decent basketball school in Grand Canyon if Gonzaga leaves.

Puke, I don't know what people see in Grand Canyon.

(03-27-2018 03:39 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Puke, I don't know what people see in Grand Canyon.

Dan Majerle is a decent coach, never had a losing record, decent arena, almost full/nearly sold out every home game (6,000-7,500 which is better attendance than pretty much any team in the WCC besides BYU and Gonzaga), Arizona recruiting/market, would bring some fans to Vegas. They don't have great academics (though not considered a profit school anymore), but I just don't see how they aren't better than any team other than Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's every year. None of the other teams have a lot of of consistency. Certainly not RPI killers like the bottom teams in the league IMO.

Quick over/under: the number of years it takes for a WCC member to apply for a waiver to relieve themselves from the MTE quota. Good luck enforcing that.

I don't think this keeps Gonzaga in the conference. It's clearly compromised, especially with keeping that cap of two non-D1 games. You shouldn't have any...one if you must. Sure, the conference schedule is a low threshold allowing for more, and hopefully better, non-conference games...nobody's really getting their butts burned in this. You can still be a nobody in this arrangement. Heck, just stock up on home games with WAC, Big West, Big Sky, Summit, MEAC, A-Sun, etc...WCC isn't at the bottom of the pecking order...yet. This just happens to give your overachievers a little more space to go out and succeed without being too brought down by the rest of the conference.

(03-27-2018 06:16 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 03:39 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Puke, I don't know what people see in Grand Canyon.

Dan Majerle is a decent coach, never had a losing record, decent arena, almost full/nearly sold out every home game (6,000-7,500 which is better attendance than pretty much any team in the WCC besides BYU and Gonzaga), Arizona recruiting/market, would bring some fans to Vegas. They don't have great academics (though not considered a profit school anymore), but I just don't see how they aren't better than any team other than Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's every year. None of the other teams have a lot of of consistency. Certainly not RPI killers like the bottom teams in the league IMO.

Majerle can grab solid recruits using his name, his coaching ability is questionable. Picked to win the league, he finished 3rd. In the WAC title game, he was out coached, big time. They may have never had a losing record, but they also haven't done anything. RPI? I think at 156, 2018 is their highest RPI in their history, that is 5th in this years WCC. Not great. They had an SOS in the 270s, this idea that they are playing up is laughable. They are still a for profit, nothing has changed other then they are once again trying to manipulate the system by have their campus site as non-profit, online as for profit. They are still considered a diploma mill by many academic institutions.

GCU seems to be more about media coverage, hyped by all, nothing to show for all that hype.

(03-26-2018 07:28 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Are we sure BYU really cares what Gonzaga does? The Zags leaving likely increases the number of tournament bids BYU gets going forward, not decreasing them.

I suspect the only school that BYU cares about what they do is Utah. And now that the Utes are in the PAC, BYU has painted itself into a corner. They don't want to be in a lesser conference than Utah for football, which forces them into the WCC for all other sports. And, other than Gonzaga, the WCC school with the closest average attendance to BYU is St Mary's. At about 3K per game, the Gaels average only about 20% of what BYU averages.

The MWC should try to get both the Zags and the Cougars, but I think BYU's ego gets in the way of that.

(03-26-2018 07:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  One thing Gonzaga may need to be aware or is aware of that the divide between the P5, G5, Big East and the rest of the conferences is getting wider. Even if the P5/G5 divide in football is getting wider, it will be getting to the point of where the G5 conferences are getting a wider divide to those who are FCS and Non-Football conferences. Where does Gonzaga want to be?
I guess Wichita St made their decision by leaving the MVC for the AAC.

I am not sure why a basketball school like Gonzaga should be concerned with the P5/G5 divide in football? For basketball, the MWC has never had a school make it past the sweet sixteen in its 19 years of existence. For the MWC, they need Gonzaga to get better. I am not sure how much Gonzaga needs them.

In the 2017 NBA Draft, the WCC or Gonzaga had two players drafted, one in the first round. The MWC had zero players drafted. The PAC-12 had 14 players drafted in the 2017 NBA draft. If you are a talented kid in the west and you want to stay out west, you look at the PAC-12 first before looking at the other western schools.

In three of the past five seasons, the WCC has had the better Conference RPI compared to the MWC. That is because of Gonzaga. It is easy to see that the MWC would be better with Gonzaga because any western conference would be better with Gonzaga.

(03-27-2018 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  The MWC should try to get both the Zags and the Cougars, but I think BYU's ego gets in the way of that.

I don't think it's just BYU who would stumble. Didn't the MWC commissioner say not terribly long ago about BYU coming back that they "may not have the votes?" Don't put that out there publicly regardless of its accuracy, but, it's no secret some of the originals are still nursing some grudges over the way the split went, and how BYU tried to leverage the WAC to muck over the remaining MWC members.

Those two parties are made for each other, really. But, is it possible there may finally be too much water under that bridge, and it doesn't happen again under that current membership group?

(03-27-2018 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:28 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Are we sure BYU really cares what Gonzaga does? The Zags leaving likely increases the number of tournament bids BYU gets going forward, not decreasing them.

I suspect the only school that BYU cares about what they do is Utah. And now that the Utes are in the PAC, BYU has painted itself into a corner. They don't want to be in a lesser conference than Utah for football, which forces them into the WCC for all other sports. And, other than Gonzaga, the WCC school with the closest average attendance to BYU is St Mary's. At about 3K per game, the Gaels average only about 20% of what BYU averages.

The MWC should try to get both the Zags and the Cougars, but I think BYU's ego gets in the way of that.

It's easier for BYU to sell their supporters on the idea of "following the Notre Dame path". Realistically, their supporters and the LDS Church would have to be behind any move back to the MWC, and it looks like the MWC isn't open to BYU unless football is included.

(03-27-2018 12:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  The MWC should try to get both the Zags and the Cougars, but I think BYU's ego gets in the way of that.

I don't think it's just BYU who would stumble. Didn't the MWC commissioner say not terribly long ago about BYU coming back that they "may not have the votes?" Don't put that out there publicly regardless of its accuracy, but, it's no secret some of the originals are still nursing some grudges over the way the split went, and how BYU tried to leverage the WAC to muck over the remaining MWC members.

Those two parties are made for each other, really. But, is it possible there may finally be too much water under that bridge, and it doesn't happen again under that current membership group?

Probably so. My guess is that some MWC members who would not otherwise vote to readmit BYU would insist on conditions that BYU would find intolerable in order to get their votes. The Cougars have only themselves to blame for that. What goes around, comes around.

(03-27-2018 12:41 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  One thing Gonzaga may need to be aware or is aware of that the divide between the P5, G5, Big East and the rest of the conferences is getting wider. Even if the P5/G5 divide in football is getting wider, it will be getting to the point of where the G5 conferences are getting a wider divide to those who are FCS and Non-Football conferences. Where does Gonzaga want to be?
I guess Wichita St made their decision by leaving the MVC for the AAC.

I am not sure why a basketball school like Gonzaga should be concerned with the P5/G5 divide in football? For basketball, the MWC has never had a school make it past the sweet sixteen in its 19 years of existence. For the MWC, they need Gonzaga to get better. I am not sure how much Gonzaga needs them.

In the 2017 NBA Draft, the WCC or Gonzaga had two players drafted, one in the first round. The MWC had zero players drafted. The PAC-12 had 14 players drafted in the 2017 NBA draft. If you are a talented kid in the west and you want to stay out west, you look at the PAC-12 first before looking at the other western schools.

In three of the past five seasons, the WCC has had the better Conference RPI compared to the MWC. That is because of Gonzaga. It is easy to see that the MWC would be better with Gonzaga because any western conference would be better with Gonzaga.

Those 19 (20) years of existence start right before Utah's trip to the title game. The MWC has had some really good teams, they just suck at the crapshoot. For example, Jimmer Fredette's BYU team and Kawhi Leonard's SDSU team were both really good but both were beaten in the Sweet 16 by really good teams. Either could have won the national title.

It's not as if the WCC is much better. In that same time frame, 3 WCC teams have gone beyond the Sweet 16, and only two since 1999. And both of those teams were Gonzaga to boot. Only one other has even made the Sweet 16, Saint Mary's once.

Well well

... maybe Gonzaga stays

(03-27-2018 03:11 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Well well

... maybe Gonzaga stays

Why the lack of an announcement from Gonzaga?
They’ve had the WCC by the nads for 2 weeks with this MWC stuff causing BYU to have an ulcer (doubt the other WCC schools even know what we’re talking about)
Gonzaga: You got all the concessions you wanted. Tell the WCC you are staying.