(03-25-2018 11:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 10:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:53 PM)mjs Wrote:  If this is true, I'm thrilled. I was 100% for Darrell Walker until I was told that he acted inappropriately toward Chasse and the chancellor when he didn't get the job last time. I assumed he had "burned that bridge" by his actions. I should add that I got this info third hand, not from Chasse or Chancellor Anderson, so I can't even say for sure if the information was true. But, like I said yesterday, if Chasse can move on for the good of the program, he's a bigger man than me. Darrell could be the best thing that ever happened to this program. He is well known and liked in LR. He has NBA experience and is a successful college coach. LR is home, and he isn't going anywhere if he's successful. His name, alone, well sell tickets and give us great exposure in Little Rock.

And if he fails? All those Little Rock money types who offered to help pay his salary going to help pay his buyout?

(Those same people offered Mohajir the same deal. "Hire Walker and we'll pay part of his salary")

I have a feeling they are paying for the buyout of our last coach. His chances of "failing" are no worse than any other random coach we might hire. He will bring money and interest to our program, something we desperately need. You have a large base of support in NE Arkansas, something we don't have. You can get 25,000 out for football. We have a base of fans that likely numbers in the 100's. I think he has proven he can coach, he will bring folks out to the games, and he will bring money into our program. He is the "perfect" hire for our needs at UALR.

You are not attracting NEW Fans. You are attracting Razorback fans.

There is a huge difference. New fans are likely to stick around regardless the coach. Razorback fans will last only as long as walker. Plus, the whole idea that its good to hire a coach that will retire there is silly. You don't want a coach to retire there. You want him to have a few good years and run for a better job.

Money spends the same.

Nothing is more hilarious than some Razorpig fan getting miffed that AState didn't hire the guy they liked or calling them out about scheduling and declaring "I always rooted for ASU but I won't any more".

Oh no we have to cut our karma budget because you aren't rooting for us any more. Thankfully it has no impact on our dollar budget.

They buy a ticket, it spends.

Memphis built a great basketball following selling tickets to people who come football season would head to Knoxville, Oxford, and Fayetteville.

chiefsfan

[b' Wrote:  You are not attracting NEW Fans. You are attracting Razorback fans.[/b]

What is the difference? We have that condition already. This is Hog country, so the vast majority of people are razorback aware and razorback positive. Also the permanent potential fan base is aging (boomers and early gen -xers) and they remember him as a Hog and an NBA guy. And those people have money and time to spend at the Jack. Now DW has two seasons coaching at the same level as Beard under his belt to prove he is capable of recruiting, motivating and teaching young men to win. He also was willing to go back to school to get his degree to coach college ball (which is why he could not be selected to replace Wimp). That is hard for Chasse to deny. I would rather have a young ambitious guy, another Porter Moser but at least Darrell is no Big Joe or Super Sid anymore. He is bona fide collegiate coaching talent and I hope to God (if this hiring rumor is even true) that his success translates from D2 to D1 like CB's did. If he turns things around quickly like Porter or Chris did and gets us back into regular championship contenders, the money folks and hog connections won't matter to anyone. And nobody will still suspect he's just another minion of the Sausage Factory there to squat and hold us back as a courtesy to his Alma Mater. The arena will be full and the Trojans will be dancing. And if the money follows him likely tailgaiting outside WMS im the fall in a few years.

(03-26-2018 09:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 10:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:53 PM)mjs Wrote:  If this is true, I'm thrilled. I was 100% for Darrell Walker until I was told that he acted inappropriately toward Chasse and the chancellor when he didn't get the job last time. I assumed he had "burned that bridge" by his actions. I should add that I got this info third hand, not from Chasse or Chancellor Anderson, so I can't even say for sure if the information was true. But, like I said yesterday, if Chasse can move on for the good of the program, he's a bigger man than me. Darrell could be the best thing that ever happened to this program. He is well known and liked in LR. He has NBA experience and is a successful college coach. LR is home, and he isn't going anywhere if he's successful. His name, alone, well sell tickets and give us great exposure in Little Rock.

And if he fails? All those Little Rock money types who offered to help pay his salary going to help pay his buyout?

(Those same people offered Mohajir the same deal. "Hire Walker and we'll pay part of his salary")

I have a feeling they are paying for the buyout of our last coach. His chances of "failing" are no worse than any other random coach we might hire. He will bring money and interest to our program, something we desperately need. You have a large base of support in NE Arkansas, something we don't have. You can get 25,000 out for football. We have a base of fans that likely numbers in the 100's. I think he has proven he can coach, he will bring folks out to the games, and he will bring money into our program. He is the "perfect" hire for our needs at UALR.

You are not attracting NEW Fans. You are attracting Razorback fans.

There is a huge difference. New fans are likely to stick around regardless the coach. Razorback fans will last only as long as walker. Plus, the whole idea that its good to hire a coach that will retire there is silly. You don't want a coach to retire there. You want him to have a few good years and run for a better job.

Money spends the same.

Nothing is more hilarious than some Razorpig fan getting miffed that AState didn't hire the guy they liked or calling them out about scheduling and declaring "I always rooted for ASU but I won't any more".

Oh no we have to cut our karma budget because you aren't rooting for us any more. Thankfully it has no impact on our dollar budget.

They buy a ticket, it spends.

Memphis built a great basketball following selling tickets to people who come football season would head to Knoxville, Oxford, and Fayetteville.

Good point. I'll take hog fans money. Maybe they'll leave when Walker retires, maybe they won't. No different than most of the people who come to our games. We actually have folks on this board who stop buying tickets when they don't like the coach.

(03-26-2018 09:45 AM)Robert C Wrote:  He is bona fide collegiate coaching talent and I hope to God (if this hiring rumor is even true) that his success translates from D2 to D1 like CB's did.

There is some difference. Walker was a dismal failure as an NBA coach (56-113). He has a nice record at D2, but he might have had a front-loaded roster to work with. Plus he has zero coaching experience at the D1 level. Beard spend twelve years as a D1 assistant, including several (six?) under a hall of fame coach.

However, to his credit, Walker has done well at D2, so evidently he does have something going for him. I just have a large amount of trouble believing that a coach with two good years at D2 is the best qualified candidate we could find. I think something else if motivating this hire (if it does come to pass), and that something else cannot be good.

(03-26-2018 10:09 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 09:45 AM)Robert C Wrote:  He is bona fide collegiate coaching talent and I hope to God (if this hiring rumor is even true) that his success translates from D2 to D1 like CB's did.

There is some difference. Walker was a dismal failure as an NBA coach (56-113). He has a nice record at D2, but he might have had a front-loaded roster to work with. Plus he has zero coaching experience at the D1 level. Beard spend twelve years as a D1 assistant, including several (six?) under a hall of fame coach.

However, to his credit, Walker has done well at D2, so evidently he does have something going for him. I just have a large amount of trouble believing that a coach with two good years at D2 is the best qualified candidate we could find. I think something else if motivating this hire (if it does come to pass), and that something else cannot be good.

There is NO WAY Walker is the best coach we could find. And I don't remember any huge influx of Hog fans to root for the Trojans when Sidney Moncrief was hired either. But if you are going to cave to big money interests, best get some big money from them on the front end!

(03-26-2018 09:58 AM)mjs Wrote:  Good point. I'll take hog fans money. Maybe they'll leave when Walker retires, maybe they won't. No different than most of the people who come to our games. We actually have folks [b]on this board who stop buying tickets when they don't like the coach.
[/b]

Probably talking about me. True and not true. First of all I've never personally disliked any Trojan coach. There was several that I didn't think were good coaches, and I was proven right about in the end, but I kept on buying tickets until I got fed up with mediocrity during Coach Shields run. I don't consider Shields to be a bad coach, but he was just treading water for too long. I want to see good exciting basketball here. Haven't seen much of it since Mike Newell, Wimp Sanderson, Porter Moser, and Chris Beard. Over thirty years and maybe twelve years of good solid coaching and exciting ball.

Tired of it, and approaching 75 years of age, with macula degeneration in my eyes, and neuropathy in my legs. Gotta be something exciting for me to even want to do something. Maybe not many years left, and want to see some good ball here for a change, rather than every twenty years or so. Don't have many twenty years left, if any.

Am I excited with the hire? No, and it's not because of Darrell. I was a hog fan back when Sutton was here, and loved Walker and Sidney. Haven't drank Kool-Aid since the kids were small, and youngest is now 46.

(03-26-2018 10:43 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  I don't consider Shields to be a bad coach, but he was just treading water for too long.

Good description of the situation.

(03-26-2018 10:55 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 10:43 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  I don't consider Shields to be a bad coach, but he was just treading water for too long.

Good description of the situation.

This is the big con for having a questionable hire. You want the absolute best, you don't want to take chances on having a squatter like Shields was. But Chasse Conque is no Tits Peterson. If Shields left when he did and Peterson was AD, we would be in year 3 of Darrell Walker or Big Joe. Who the hell knows where we would be and if we would ever see a change. With Chasse there is a track record that he is not a puppet or a clown and backs up his assertion that he wants to compete for championships.

(03-26-2018 09:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 10:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:53 PM)mjs Wrote:  If this is true, I'm thrilled. I was 100% for Darrell Walker until I was told that he acted inappropriately toward Chasse and the chancellor when he didn't get the job last time. I assumed he had "burned that bridge" by his actions. I should add that I got this info third hand, not from Chasse or Chancellor Anderson, so I can't even say for sure if the information was true. But, like I said yesterday, if Chasse can move on for the good of the program, he's a bigger man than me. Darrell could be the best thing that ever happened to this program. He is well known and liked in LR. He has NBA experience and is a successful college coach. LR is home, and he isn't going anywhere if he's successful. His name, alone, well sell tickets and give us great exposure in Little Rock.

And if he fails? All those Little Rock money types who offered to help pay his salary going to help pay his buyout?

(Those same people offered Mohajir the same deal. "Hire Walker and we'll pay part of his salary")

I have a feeling they are paying for the buyout of our last coach. His chances of "failing" are no worse than any other random coach we might hire. He will bring money and interest to our program, something we desperately need. You have a large base of support in NE Arkansas, something we don't have. You can get 25,000 out for football. We have a base of fans that likely numbers in the 100's. I think he has proven he can coach, he will bring folks out to the games, and he will bring money into our program. He is the "perfect" hire for our needs at UALR.

You are not attracting NEW Fans. You are attracting Razorback fans.

There is a huge difference. New fans are likely to stick around regardless the coach. Razorback fans will last only as long as walker. Plus, the whole idea that its good to hire a coach that will retire there is silly. You don't want a coach to retire there. You want him to have a few good years and run for a better job.

Money spends the same.

Nothing is more hilarious than some Razorpig fan getting miffed that AState didn't hire the guy they liked or calling them out about scheduling and declaring "I always rooted for ASU but I won't any more".

Oh no we have to cut our karma budget because you aren't rooting for us any more. Thankfully it has no impact on our dollar budget.

They buy a ticket, it spends.

Memphis built a great basketball following selling tickets to people who come football season would head to Knoxville, Oxford, and Fayetteville.

They did, and then Memphis started to have a few down years and all of those fans disappeared to the point that they are now scrambling trying to find any way possible to get those fans back.

Walker could end up being one of our better coaches. Hope he does. But there is nothing logical about this hire, to my way of thinking, if it is logical to hire the guy with the best credentials. Is his the best resume we received?

Isn't it fun second-guessing guys making several times as much money as I am?

(03-26-2018 12:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 09:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 10:37 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  And if he fails? All those Little Rock money types who offered to help pay his salary going to help pay his buyout?

(Those same people offered Mohajir the same deal. "Hire Walker and we'll pay part of his salary")

I have a feeling they are paying for the buyout of our last coach. His chances of "failing" are no worse than any other random coach we might hire. He will bring money and interest to our program, something we desperately need. You have a large base of support in NE Arkansas, something we don't have. You can get 25,000 out for football. We have a base of fans that likely numbers in the 100's. I think he has proven he can coach, he will bring folks out to the games, and he will bring money into our program. He is the "perfect" hire for our needs at UALR.

You are not attracting NEW Fans. You are attracting Razorback fans.

There is a huge difference. New fans are likely to stick around regardless the coach. Razorback fans will last only as long as walker. Plus, the whole idea that its good to hire a coach that will retire there is silly. You don't want a coach to retire there. You want him to have a few good years and run for a better job.

Money spends the same.

Nothing is more hilarious than some Razorpig fan getting miffed that AState didn't hire the guy they liked or calling them out about scheduling and declaring "I always rooted for ASU but I won't any more".

Oh no we have to cut our karma budget because you aren't rooting for us any more. Thankfully it has no impact on our dollar budget.

They buy a ticket, it spends.

Memphis built a great basketball following selling tickets to people who come football season would head to Knoxville, Oxford, and Fayetteville.

They did, and then Memphis started to have a few down years and all of those fans disappeared to the point that they are now scrambling trying to find any way possible to get those fans back.

But they got enough money along the way to afford to pay three football and two or three basketball coaches all at the same time.

Money is what matters in athletics.

(03-26-2018 10:18 AM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 10:09 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 09:45 AM)Robert C Wrote:  He is bona fide collegiate coaching talent and I hope to God (if this hiring rumor is even true) that his success translates from D2 to D1 like CB's did.

There is some difference. Walker was a dismal failure as an NBA coach (56-113). He has a nice record at D2, but he might have had a front-loaded roster to work with. Plus he has zero coaching experience at the D1 level. Beard spend twelve years as a D1 assistant, including several (six?) under a hall of fame coach.

However, to his credit, Walker has done well at D2, so evidently he does have something going for him. I just have a large amount of trouble believing that a coach with two good years at D2 is the best qualified candidate we could find. I think something else if motivating this hire (if it does come to pass), and that something else cannot be good.

There is NO WAY Walker is the best coach we could find. And I don't remember any huge influx of Hog fans to root for the Trojans when Sidney Moncrief was hired either. But if you are going to cave to big money interests, best get some big money from them on the front end!

Considering that anyone who is old enough to really remember him playing for the Hogs is now 45, his only all-star (all-rookie) is now 44 and anyone who remembers him getting an NBA champion ring is 35, the name value is probably over-rated.

But he can open doors to people who are at peak career and maybe aren't doing anything for UALR or doing very little and he has two good seasons under his belt.

(03-26-2018 09:27 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:49 AM)Karl B Wrote:  Well since we are the base and all of us don’t agree I think it’s safe to say if Walker is the coach the base is not energized. I have mixed emotions if it’s Walker. Will he actually go out and recruit and does anyone under 25 know him from the man on the moon. My kids have never heard of him and that’s a college age and two high schoolers. We’ll see, I was sure it was going to be Shertz so we’ll know for sure when they’re a an official announcement. And I wasn’t super excited about Shertz.

So it sounds like you had some "inside" info about Schertz. His resume sure sounded impressive. Why were you not excited about him? Not sure what folks on here are wanting. Don't we want a coach who has proven he can win on the college level?

I thought I had info that it was down to Shertz or Harper. Maybe it wasn't correct, maybe they didn't come to terms or maybe the Walker thing isn't correct. I'm not against any of the 3, but not super excited about them either. I don't really know who outside of Downey would excite me. He had terrible timing having his only losing record of his career when we had an opening. I watched him do what they said couldn't be done at Tech and know if he had a chance he could do it in Little Rock. Maybe some day down the road. Whoever is coach I'll be a Trojan fan and hope they are successful and play a brand of ball I want to watch. I get frustrated sometimes but have 30 years invested.

(03-26-2018 03:49 PM)Karl B Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 09:27 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:49 AM)Karl B Wrote:  Well since we are the base and all of us don’t agree I think it’s safe to say if Walker is the coach the base is not energized. I have mixed emotions if it’s Walker. Will he actually go out and recruit and does anyone under 25 know him from the man on the moon. My kids have never heard of him and that’s a college age and two high schoolers. We’ll see, I was sure it was going to be Shertz so we’ll know for sure when they’re a an official announcement. And I wasn’t super excited about Shertz.

So it sounds like you had some "inside" info about Schertz. His resume sure sounded impressive. Why were you not excited about him? Not sure what folks on here are wanting. Don't we want a coach who has proven he can win on the college level?

I thought I had info that it was down to Shertz or Harper. Maybe it wasn't correct, maybe they didn't come to terms or maybe the Walker thing isn't correct. I'm not against any of the 3, but not super excited about them either. I don't really know who outside of Downey would excite me. He had terrible timing having his only losing record of his career when we had an opening. I watched him do what they said couldn't be done at Tech and know if he had a chance he could do it in Little Rock. Maybe some day down the road. Whoever is coach I'll be a Trojan fan and hope they are successful and play a brand of ball I want to watch. I get frustrated sometimes but have 30 years invested.

I agree it was terrible timing. When I mentioned to Chasse that Downey's wife was at the Sun Belt tournament, he seemed interested, referred to her by name, and stated that he did not see her. He obviously has not forgotten about Coach Downey or his wife. I think he would be an extremely good candidate if he had just stayed at IUPUI (I believe that is where he was last season).