(03-25-2018 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Big East commissioner Ackerman was making her case for "two or none" on ESPN radio today. She wants to go from one and done to a system where a kid coming out of high school could go straight to the NBA, but if they choose college, they would have to play two years of college hoops before being draft eligible.

I like it, as it allows the true studs like a Lebron to avoid the charade of one year in college, while also giving college teams more stability.

But it will come down to what the NBA and its union want.

I like it, but its probably not constitutional. The money in baseball is such that its not worth fighting. Eventually some super freshman basketball player will fight it in court and win.

We really need a good minor league in the US. Players can go to Europe. And there are several leagues. But a minor league affiliated with the NBA or an upgraded G league makes the US options more viable.

One and dones don't need to be in college.

And while one and dones bring great talent, they are a long run detriment to the college game. I've heard more than one Kentucky fan complain that its hard to get attached to the team when everyone changes every year.

(03-27-2018 01:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

Which entity is it that requires players to declare for the draft - the NCAA or the NBA? If it's the former, your suggestion makes perfect sense. If it's the latter, maybe it's time for some athlete to challenge the one and done rule by citing the availability of the G League as an alternative to college.

The NCAA doesn't require players to declare they're in the NBA draft, but it does require them to either (a) give up their eligibility or (b) not sign with any agent or sponsor and take their name out of the draft before the draft to regain eligibility.

Basketball players should be able to go through the draft, talk to teams, even negotiate contract terms -- like baseball players -- and, if they choose, decline to sign with the pro team and return to college basketball.

Baseball and soccer work just fine. If someone wants to draft you or sign you as a free agent they do so, it takes no affirmative act by the player.

(03-27-2018 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Big East commissioner Ackerman was making her case for "two or none" on ESPN radio today. She wants to go from one and done to a system where a kid coming out of high school could go straight to the NBA, but if they choose college, they would have to play two years of college hoops before being draft eligible.

I like it, as it allows the true studs like a Lebron to avoid the charade of one year in college, while also giving college teams more stability.

But it will come down to what the NBA and its union want.

I like it, but its probably not constitutional. The money in baseball is such that its not worth fighting. Eventually some super freshman basketball player will fight it in court and win.

It would be constitutional, but perhaps a violation of anti-trust laws, because of course the sophomore would be barred from signing an agreement with a willing NBA team by the rule.

But it's touchy, because anti-trust law isn't just based on 'restraint of trade', but restraint that has a clear impact on a market. It's the market distortion, not the violation of individual rights, that is the target of anti-trust laws. And I'm not sure that a judge would find that a handful of sophomore players not being able to go the NBA would constitute that kind of threat.

One thing to consider: we've had one and done for 12 years, and it has legally survived, and one and done restrains trade too.

(03-27-2018 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Big East commissioner Ackerman was making her case for "two or none" on ESPN radio today. She wants to go from one and done to a system where a kid coming out of high school could go straight to the NBA, but if they choose college, they would have to play two years of college hoops before being draft eligible.

I like it, as it allows the true studs like a Lebron to avoid the charade of one year in college, while also giving college teams more stability.

But it will come down to what the NBA and its union want.

I like it, but its probably not constitutional. The money in baseball is such that its not worth fighting. Eventually some super freshman basketball player will fight it in court and win.

We really need a good minor league in the US. Players can go to Europe. And there are several leagues. But a minor league affiliated with the NBA or an upgraded G league makes the US options more viable.

One and dones don't need to be in college.

But the money and the attention won’t be at those avenues like it currently is in college. Even if the one and dones do go elsewhere, MBB will generate income that players demand access to.

(03-27-2018 08:03 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 05:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Big East commissioner Ackerman was making her case for "two or none" on ESPN radio today. She wants to go from one and done to a system where a kid coming out of high school could go straight to the NBA, but if they choose college, they would have to play two years of college hoops before being draft eligible.

I like it, as it allows the true studs like a Lebron to avoid the charade of one year in college, while also giving college teams more stability.

But it will come down to what the NBA and its union want.

I like it, but its probably not constitutional. The money in baseball is such that its not worth fighting. Eventually some super freshman basketball player will fight it in court and win.

We really need a good minor league in the US. Players can go to Europe. And there are several leagues. But a minor league affiliated with the NBA or an upgraded G league makes the US options more viable.

One and dones don't need to be in college.

But the money and the attention won’t be at those avenues like it currently is in college. Even if the one and dones do go elsewhere, MBB will generate income that players demand access to.

Well, they've been demanding access for years and haven't gotten it. I don't see that starting now.

Bottom line is, what these different scenarios show is that with college athletics, it really is "the uniform" not the player that is generating the money. As you say, the one and dones can stop going to college at all and Duke and Kentucky will still fill their arenas, because someone else will be wearing the tank top with the school name on it.

The biggest negative to going the baseball model is all the drama it creates. Back when we were a national power in baseball, we had student athletes who would get drafted after there junior year (and some sophomore eligible as it based on birth date) who would then had until the first day of class to try and negotiate a contract. Basically the school becomes the pawn as once the athlete attends one class, he can't sign. So we had news stations on campus watching for these athletes to show up. I miss those days...[/i]

(03-28-2018 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, they've been demanding access for years and haven't gotten it. I don't see that starting now.

Bottom line is, what these different scenarios show is that with college athletics, it really is "the uniform" not the player that is generating the money. As you say, the one and dones can stop going to college at all and Duke and Kentucky will still fill their arenas, because someone else will be wearing the tank top with the school name on it.

Nah, throw a bunch of 11 and 19 teams in a row out on the court and the revenue at Duke will tank. The players are making the money for the school, but college sports is built on leveraging a built-in audience, you're correct about that.

(03-28-2018 11:03 AM)Shox Wrote:  The biggest negative to going the baseball model is all the drama it creates. Back when we were a national power in baseball, we had student athletes who would get drafted after there junior year (and some sophomore eligible as it based on birth date) who would then had until the first day of class to try and negotiate a contract. Basically the school becomes the pawn as once the athlete attends one class, he can't sign. So we had news stations on campus watching for these athletes to show up. I miss those days...[/i]

The rule now sets a deadline date by which a pro team must sign a player it drafted -- I think they've moved that deadline all the way up to July 15 -- so it's the same deadline for every player and not based on their college's first day of fall classes.

Under the old rule, there used to be a lot of stories like that... baseball coaches taking their best players to class on the first day of school to make sure they sat down in class without signing a pro contract.