Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

(03-26-2018 06:27 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

Because as always it's not about guns, it's about subjugating the American people so the left can impose totalitarian Marxist policies without fear of reprisal.

(03-24-2018 07:21 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:David Hogg rallied the young Democrat voters: The cold grasp of corruption shackles the District of Columbia. The winter if over. Change is here. The sun shines on a new day. And the day is ours. First time voters show up 18% of the time in midterm elections. not any more. (applause) Now who here is going to vote in the 2018 election. If you listen real close you hear the people in power shaking.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/...ing-video/

While I'm by no means ADVOCATING this, I don't know if I've ever seen a punk more deserving of an a$$-kicking than this kid.

(03-26-2018 06:27 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

That's always the big problem with politicians/government. Something bad happens, people are up in arms - The difficult part is administering the law, you know actually doing something where it counts.

What the politicians want to do is pontificate - write some words on a piece of paper (pretty easy to do when you think about it) and call it done.

The hard part is funding it and then managing it and making sure people do what they are supposed to do and so on..........and government always fails miserably at the hard part...

(03-26-2018 07:06 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 07:21 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:David Hogg rallied the young Democrat voters: The cold grasp of corruption shackles the District of Columbia. The winter if over. Change is here. The sun shines on a new day. And the day is ours. First time voters show up 18% of the time in midterm elections. not any more. (applause) Now who here is going to vote in the 2018 election. If you listen real close you hear the people in power shaking.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/...ing-video/

While I'm by no means ADVOCATING this, I don't know if I've ever seen a punk more deserving of an a$$-kicking than this kid.

Everything about this kid screams giant

(03-26-2018 08:16 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Everything about this kid screams giant

He has the most punchable face I have seen in a while.

(03-24-2018 09:22 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I didn't watch any of it, but just looking at the images and reading about that little twerp makes me ill.

I'm also another that joined the NRA following these "kids" driving their "revolution" bus.

These kids are living, breathing pro-NRA billboards.

Well done. I've been an NRA member on and off over the last 30 years. I may go ahead and spring for a lifetime membership now though.

(03-25-2018 02:19 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  You give the left far to much power. There are plenty of right leaning news outlets. Besides, the point of this all is that the kids are learning to be engaged, regardless of their political leanings. Young adults in the past have tended to be liberal and anti-establishment. As they age they become conservative. Either way, these kids will be political involved, a good thing.

By the way, I'm liberal and I've seen several news articles about gun rights kids disagreeing with the majority of their student peers.

Maybe they are just a small minority and as such don't get much ink, from either side.

Perhaps you could back up your claim with a link or two?

(03-26-2018 06:27 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

The law also have their hands tied as well. The ACLU took the Government to court saying locking people up in a mental facilities violate that person's constitution. Plus, the Hippa law or whatever, says that doctors and shrinks can not reveal any medical reports on the person unless he or she gives the okay. It would be hard to tell who should not be having a gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...cb6607fd8e

Quote:Kyle Kashuv, a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, Fla., has met with the president and lawmakers from both sides of the aisle. But he says he has not been given the platform and opportunities that his classmates with more liberal views on gun laws have, possibly because of his political views.

Quote:Kashuv told Townhall.com, a conservative media outlet, that maybe he hasn't attracted the attention that other student activist have “because I don't use inflammatory language. I speak calmly and logically without much emotion. I don't necessarily make the very best headline.” The Parkland student has been critical of his classmates on social media and has criticized the media for being “incredibly biased.”

Conservative radio host Ben Shapiro told Fox News that conservative students have contacted him expressing their frustration with being silenced during National Walk Out Day, a nationwide protest of students from thousands of high schools against gun violence.

(03-26-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 06:27 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

The law also have their hands tied as well. The ACLU took the Government to court saying locking people up in a mental facilities violate that person's constitution. Plus, the Hippa law or whatever, says that doctors and shrinks can not reveal any medical reports on the person unless he or she gives the okay. It would be hard to tell who should not be having a gun.

Neither of these statements is accurate
Reagan pushed to close mental institutes because of the expense. "least restrictive alternative" developed as a result.. Which says if a person doesn't pose an immediate threat to themselves or someone else, they have the right to be treated in the community.
There is a process for having people committed against their will. Starts with a Temporary Detaining Order with a hearing conducted by a magistrate and an examination by a psychiatrist.

There are several exceptions to HIPPA.Therapists and Dr's are allowed to report to the authorities when a client makes a credible threat to harm themselves or someone else also when a client reports information suggesting they know of child or elder abuse. In fact in most states therapists are required by law to report this.

(03-26-2018 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Neither of these statements is accurate
Reagan pushed to close mental institutes because of the expense. "least restrictive alternative" developed as a result.. Which says if a person doesn't pose an immediate threat to themselves or someone else, they have the right to be treated in the community.
There is a process for having people committed against their will. Starts with a Temporary Detaining Order with a hearing conducted by a magistrate and an examination by a psychiatrist.

How about we start with this is not the place to save money? Reagan didn't make the "least restrictive alternative" policy. The courts and a bunch of bureaucrats did. So fire the bureaucrats' asses and use the money saved to help reestablish mental institutes.

Quote:
There are several exceptions to HIPPA.Therapists and Dr's are allowed to report to the authorities when a client makes a credible threat to harm themselves or someone else also when a client reports information suggesting they know of child or elder abuse. In fact in most states therapists are required by law to report this.

Yeah, right. So you report somebody and they sue you. And you spend thousands on attorneys and experts to say, yes, there was a real treat. And some ambulance chaser takes the plaintiff's case and hires expert prostitutes to testify that no, there was no real threat so you are not entitled to the HIPAA exception. And the case gets settled for hundreds of thousands or it goes to a dice roll with the jury. No thanks. So reasonably intelligent docs don't report and pray to God that noting happens.

It's a whole lot easier to do noting and defend it later than it is to do something and defend that later. And it wasn't that way before HIPAA.

Pretty seriously overstating. Many states have laws requiring Therapists and Dr to report. Not a choice ethically, morally or legally.

(03-26-2018 01:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Pretty seriously overstating. Many states have laws requiring Therapists and Dr to report. Not a choice ethically, morally or legally.

Still wouldn't stop someone from filing a lawsuit.

If some broad can sue McDonalds because she spilled coffee in her lap, anything is possible.

It's interesting how these two young men have become a microcosm of current politics. You have the kid on the left perpetuating pure emotion and the kid on the right running the fact based set.

(03-26-2018 01:38 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 01:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Pretty seriously overstating. Many states have laws requiring Therapists and Dr to report. Not a choice ethically, morally or legally.

Still wouldn't stop someone from filing a lawsuit.

If some broad can sue McDonalds because she spilled coffee in her lap, anything is possible.

True, there are more than enough unethical attorneys out there willing to take a clients money.
They learn their trade in the private sector than go on to be congressmen.

(03-26-2018 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 06:27 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand. There was a massive negligence by the local sheriff and FBI. But for some reason that's not being talked about. The laws in place failed. So what's the solution,more laws?

The law also have their hands tied as well. The ACLU took the Government to court saying locking people up in a mental facilities violate that person's constitution. Plus, the Hippa law or whatever, says that doctors and shrinks can not reveal any medical reports on the person unless he or she gives the okay. It would be hard to tell who should not be having a gun.

Neither of these statements is accurate
Reagan pushed to close mental institutes because of the expense. "least restrictive alternative" developed as a result.. Which says if a person doesn't pose an immediate threat to themselves or someone else, they have the right to be treated in the community.
There is a process for having people committed against their will. Starts with a Temporary Detaining Order with a hearing conducted by a magistrate and an examination by a psychiatrist.

There are several exceptions to HIPPA.Therapists and Dr's are allowed to report to the authorities when a client makes a credible threat to harm themselves or someone else also when a client reports information suggesting they know of child or elder abuse. In fact in most states therapists are required by law to report this.

This is correct, I’ve had this conversation/discussion.

There is an affirmative requirement to report if a Dr., mental health, or other counselor (schools, etc) think someone has made what could seen as a legit threat.

What these children fail to grasp is that is PRECISELY what was done here, and of course it fell on deaf ears.

The little goose-stepping hordes want to somehow blame bogeymen like the NRA or inanimate objects, when it was their beloved government officials that blew this.

At every level.

So this guy have any other relatives in his neck of the woods interested in the politics:

(03-26-2018 03:18 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  So this guy have any other relatives in his neck of the woods interested in the politics:

If watching the Dukes of Hazzard taught us anything it's that you simply can;t trust a Hogg.

Hogg wasnt even at the school when it happened. Go to 4:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUOkBv6w...be&t=4m26s